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Feel estranged from my adult son

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maybeimjustashitmum · 05/11/2017 22:07

My eldest son is almost 30. He got married about a year ago to a woman he's been with more than 10 years. He doesn't respond to text messages and never initiates contact. If I phone, or call around to his home (they only live a couple of miles away) he seems to be pleased to see me and is very chatty. This appears to have started when he got married, although they have been living together for a few years. It's really starting to get to me. I've tried talking to him about it, but haven't managed to get any real insight. We barely saw them last christmas - I had a bit of a family do and they were invited, but phoned a couple of hours before to say he couldn't come.
I wonder if he thinks we didn't help enough with the wedding? His wife's family were heavily involved and I think contributed financially. They sat at the top table at the wedding, whereas I and my exH (DS's dad) were at separate tables with our own families. This was my fault, as I said I didn't care where I sat, so long as I didn't have to sit with exH, and I'm not upset about it, it just seems to illustrate how we've been distanced since the wedding, and I wonder if me saying that about the seating upst them? We were not able to contribute financially (I have a lot of debt that I'm trying to clear), but did help in other ways. I miss the relationship we had. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect to speak to him every day, but every week, or couple of weeks for a catch up would be nice. I have asked him if it's something I've done. He said, 'What could you have done, mum?' At the time I thought he meant I hadn't done anything, but now I am wracking my brains for something I did, thinking that he might have been being sarcastic (he often is!).... How do I get him to talk to me?

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maybeimjustashitmum · 06/11/2017 11:16

antimatter I have told DH to behave himself. He was being a bit of a knob/wind up merchant.

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maybeimjustashitmum · 06/11/2017 11:18

Not that many vegan places around here - getting better though. And we have been out a few times. dogfish1 I hope you are right, and that things will improve of their own accord.

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BackInTheRoom · 06/11/2017 11:24

I'll get a fab vegan cake recipe for you and list the ingredients then maybe you can proudly bring your very special vegan cake round to them? 😊

dogfish1 · 06/11/2017 11:28

My younger brother was pretty much the same. Egomanaic in his 20s, CBA until he was about 35, increasingly caring and supportive since then. Don't give up!
If your DH has been shouty and domineering in the past that may well have caused lasting resentment, particularly if your son is a sensitive type. Continuing comments will have the same effect. Tell DH to pipe down and realise he doesn't know everything. And don't hesitate to suggest doing some things without DH, just the two of you.

maybeimjustashitmum · 06/11/2017 11:30

Thanks Bibbidee I love your positivity Smile - I can be a bit the opposite (think Eyeore from Winnie the Pooh) I try not to be negative, but I struggle with it. My mum is terribly negative and it drives me up the wall! Hmm.. anyway. Go for it, if you've got a good recipe. I tried making one off the internet once - it looked a bit like a cow pat and didn't taste very nice Grin

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maybeimjustashitmum · 06/11/2017 11:33

Thanks dogfish unfortunately the shouty exH (his dad) and sneery DH are two different people. So, twice the resentment I imagine ...Sad

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BackInTheRoom · 06/11/2017 12:18

@maybeimjustashitmum funny, I sensed you were a bit negative by your user name... Because of course you're not a shit mum!

Ok I used to be a bit negative until I started practicing 'An Attitude of Gratitude' see attached:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/blog/some-assembly-required/201411/the-benefits-cultivating-attitude-gratitude%3famp

So with your situation it would be:

1)Thank goodness I have my son who has managed to find a life partner and is happy😊

2)I still have time to build a great relationship with son and his DW😊

3)thank goodness I was there to share his big day and I'm going to tell him how proud I am of him (tell him you're sorry about the top table debacle?).

4)I'm so lucky to:
have good friends
a family
a roof over my head
Food on the table
And so on...

Honestly after a while it's easy to flip a really shit situation into a positive one. Go on OP, write a Gratitude List and see what you come up with 😊👍

MsJuniper · 06/11/2017 14:19

I think it relates to the wifework issue - women are presumed to take control of the household and organise presents, visits etc. This ends up extending to family relationships - even more so if babies come along.

My brother is crap at keeping in touch apart from when he needs something. He’s always had some dodgy views on men/women (no idea how after growing up in an all-female household where everyone pitched in) whereas my DH is far more progressive and we have a fairly equal household - and he calls and visits his parents regularly.

I don’t think the daughter/son thing is necessarily true these days but it still plays out in lots of families due to societal convention.

I would stay in touch in a low-key way, offer help and support when possible and even ask for advice from them on occasion, rather than trying to fix this problem with a big discussion or show of love. It’s a long-term relationship, it won’t always be perfect but you may need to invest more in it than him at the moment.

antimatter · 06/11/2017 16:24

What about your DH? Does he not want to have good relationship with his son and his wife?

It is easy to hurt someone's feelings. Not so easy to repair damage done. Ask him how he can do that!

At some point in life kids just give up at being treated like they don't know anything and have to put up with stupid comments and negativity.

CharlieSierra · 06/11/2017 17:41

My 2 stepdaughters are vegan. When they come to stay I just make vegan food for all of us. My eldest son and his partner are vegetarian; when they come I make veggie or vegan food for all of us. It's not hard, but it might make people less comfortable if you make a fuss about making something special for them and eat something different yourselves. Having said that if they come at Christmas I do still cook meat and veggie/vegan options. Your DH should wind his neck in about it, there are many sound reasons for giving up meat and dairy so tell him to educate himself.

Themummy76 · 06/11/2017 17:43

How long have you been remarried? Do you think perhaps your son doesn’t like your new partner?

Acrosstheuniverse123 · 06/11/2017 17:49

You don't mention your daughter in law once, apart from in reference to her family at the wedding. If you want a good relationship with your son, you have to build a good relationship with his wife. It may be that she doesn't feel comfortable with you and so doesn't make much effort to keep in touch as a couple . Social activity is often organised by the wife , even now. i would guess this is the root of the problem. He is trying to please her and so you have been side lined. I would ask if you can take him out to lunch and try to have a heart to heart. Then make an effort to keep inviting them as a couple and try to build a good relationship with her as well as your son.

Tiddlywinks63 · 06/11/2017 18:02

It seems more than a little sad that although he's been with his wife for over 10 years you appear to barely know her. My DS and DDIL live well over a hundred miles from us yet we regularly chat and probably meet up four or five times a year.
Now I have DGSs I also go and stay to babysit.
I think trying to get to know her better would be a first step. I'm very lucky that my DDIL and I get on well.
I do hope it works out for you op.

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