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Oshun · 02/11/2017 11:30

Hi, I'm posting this because I really need some objective feedback and I'm too ashamed about some of this to discuss it with my friends offline.

Please bear in mind that I do realise some of my actions have been stupid/naive. I have PTSD (from abuse) and have been working really hard on healing for quite some time, via therapy etc. I will discuss what's just happened with my therapist, but not seeing her until Monday. Please try not to be mean to me lol

To give some background, I'm 39, single, reasonably happy in life but have plenty of problems, seem to be considered attractive but issues with self-worth and somewhat poor self image....

I'd been voluntarily single for a loooong time while I focused on healing emotional issues. In August I met a man I instantly clicked with. He's my age, seemed sort of shy and very deep. Charming, intelligent and a bit quirky. He owns several yoga/meditation centres and that's an area I'm really interested in, so we had loads to talk about. In fact that's how I met him, I wandered into one of the yoga centres to buy a yoga mat, he happened to be in there that day and we got talking.

We went out a week later. The date was amazing. Talked for hours again. Continued like this for several weeks. At this point, in retrospect, there were a number of red flags that I should have noticed. I'd assumed he was just a hard-working 'normal', ambitious business owner. But by the 3rd date he'd revealed that he used to be a crack dealer for a number of years. He also revealed that he used to smoke crack (but doesn't now) and that he smokes lots of weed pretty much every day. He had even spent a year in prison abroad for a drugs related offence.

I just immediately glossed over all this. As things progressed I noticed he still wanted the hours and hours of deep conversation (which I loved), but he was becoming extremely sexual in a way that felt like it was moving too fast for me. I told him I don't have sex outside of a relationship and he started being really vague about his status. He said he's not sleeping with anybody but it sounded like that was because nobody has agreed to sleep with him, not because he's not been trying. He even gave me an example of one “very pretty” woman he's been taking out for meals but she doesn't seem interested in sex with him.

I also noticed he seemed to struggle to commit to normal dates. On at least 4 occasions he'd just text me around 3 in the afternoon to find out if I'd go and meet him that night and then he'd seem really deflated/annoyed when I already had plans.

We had a date set up at one point where he was being really flaky about whether he could even make it or not. He was meant to pick me up at my place and go get something to eat. But he said he felt a bit ill. Eventually he did show and it turned out he felt ill (had symptoms of a cold) because he'd done loads of cocaine the night before. He'd just sat in his office snorting loads of cocaine by himself. He somewhat reluctantly took me out for dinner then seemed to assume he was crashing at my place. He talked about how good he thought sex would be with me blah blah blah. We slept in the same bed but I made it clear I wasn't willing to have sex with him.
The next morning his behaviour was better and we ended up having a great conversation and we made out.

Fast forward to just a few days ago. We had plans in place for me to cook a meal for him on Saturday. However, on Friday afternoon he called me to cajole me into meeting him at one of his centres. I didn't understand the sense of urgency. I was unable to go due to work commitments and already had plans in place for that evening. He called and texted me throughout the evening begging me to go to his place. He was also sending graphic sexts.

It turns out he'd been sitting there snorting cocaine by himself. He had mentioned that he'd get some weed to bring over to my place on Saturday to smoke a spliff while watching movies. Although I'm not really interested in weed (last time I smoked weed was probably around 2005), I'd said sure, why not. But it turned out he also smoked all the weed he'd bought, by himself, that same night. He blames me for him having taken all those drugs on Friday as he said he did it because he was lonely and I hadn't shown up. But I'd never agreed to meet him on Friday, there was never any suggestion of it.
He later said, “I've been a naughty boy. When I get drugs I just can't stop until I've used up the lot.”
This is the second time he's looked all sheepish and said “I've been a naughty boy.”
Finally, on Saturday, we met up. He was immediately really sexually aggressive. Stupidly I went along with it. We had sex.

Immediately after sex he disappeared into the bathroom and I heard what sounded like him doing some kind of nasal cleansing ritual. I hear this almost every time he goes into the bathroom. And he seemed to be in the bathroom cleaning himself or whatever (but not showering) for a very long time. He has admitted before that he is OCD.

We went out for dinner. He was extremely pleasant and warm. The plan was for him to buy some weed and for us to go my place to watch movies. He called the person he wanted to buy weed from and the guy said he was out of town. My guy sounded desperate at that point. The dealer said he can't help him on this occasion. His entire mood changed. He looked crestfallen and seemed upset and nervous. We drove to my place. When we got there he suddenly said, “Actually I don't think I'll come in. I'm gonna go back to my mum's place.”
I was STUNNED.

At that moment I realised just how often his mother crops up in my dealings with him. He has more or less moved back in with his mother, after subletting his own home. He sleeps either at his mother's home or at his sister's. He says he likes it as his mother's home because it's comfortable, he gets to sit and talk to her and it would be stupid to pay for his own home when she has a spare bedroom at her house. He says he's doing this so he can invest more money in his business. His mum is constantly calling him on the phone. He describes her as his role model. She brings him meals to his workplace.
Anyway, he said “I'm gonna go to my mum's”. We had a bit of an argument. Eventually he decided he was going to come to my flat instead. It felt a bit awkward. We sat and talked. One thing led to another and we had sex again. Although the sex was great, he seemed pretty cold afterwards. We talked a bit about life and various other stuff. He asked me what I'd do if I got pregnant and when I said I'm Catholic and would be unlikely to have an abortion, he looked extremely unhappy. He said he wants kids but not for a very long time yet. So that in itself is insulting really. He went to the bathroom and did that weird nasal thing again.

We slept in the same bed but there was no cuddling or warmth at all. In the morning he seemed distant. Asked for a towel (back to the bathroom routine again). No kiss, nothing. We had coffee and talked for I guess two hours. The conversation was not about our relationship exactly. He was talking about various places he wants to take me and stuff to do together. He was back to his usual self during this conversation. Finally, he left. Back to mummy's house. He hugged and kissed me goodbye.
All I've heard from him since then is a text message that included a smiley emoji.
Having typed all this out I am thinking just three words: WHAT THE F-CK?

😥😥

OP posts:
Flimp · 02/11/2017 12:34

Oshun, you are SO right! This doesn't have to be the end of the world! Smile

A shitbag came into your life, but you used your shitbag spotting skills to good effect!

You don't need this.

NEXT!

whiskyowl · 02/11/2017 12:36

For what it's worth, you don't sound naive to me. He seemed like a great guy, but you realised very quickly he had huge issues and dumped him. Instead of chalking this up to bad judgement, you could read it that you exercised really good judgement once you had a clear sense of the facts! Sadly, people rarely reveal who they are in one date - it often takes a few meetings to understand who someone is.

Do speak to family planning - it's worth it.

Slimthistime · 02/11/2017 12:39

OMD we cross posted

Family planning clinic now.

another of my rules was I never ever had sex without 2 forms of contraception but I'm on the pill for periods so that was easy enough.

ILookedintheWater · 02/11/2017 12:40

Oshun
Don't feel disappointed and confused: you said that you have been free of abusive relationships for over 10 years. You still are free: you've had a few dates and a couple of nice shags with a man who, you have realized, really isn't for you and you don't want to have a relationship with.
Break it off as kindly and cleanly as possible and move on. You will be fine if you allow yourself to be.

HarmlessChap · 02/11/2017 12:40

If you want children at what age is he going to decide he does ffs???
He won't, guys like him can't cope with not being the center of attention. He will however say whatever he feels is likely to keep the OP willing to sleep with him.

Viviennemary · 02/11/2017 12:43

He's awful. No more to be said but that. he's the pits. End of. he has no redeeming features. Nobody is going to advise you there is a possibility of a happy future with him. There isn't.

AstridWhite · 02/11/2017 12:43

I realise that he is a mess. But you would go so far as to think he's potentially abusive as well then? All comments gratefully received

Why does it even matter if he's potentially abusive? Surely you've seen enough by now to know that he's a complete basket case and you should walk away and not look back?

Don't waste any energy on wondering what he might be like if you stuck around any longer. You are already freaked out by him now, so don't stick around long enough to find outlaw much worse it might get.

AstridWhite · 02/11/2017 12:44

find out how much worse, not outlaw Confused

HadronCollider · 02/11/2017 12:44

But by the 3rd date he'd revealed that he used to be a crack dealer for a number of years. He also revealed that he used to smoke crack (but doesn't now) and that he smokes lots of weed pretty much every day. He had even spent a year in prison abroad for a drugs related offence.

When someone admits something like this to you, you flee in the opposite direction. I think you have low esteem issues as result of your abusive past and your boundaries of acceptable behaviour are too low. I recommend you discuss this with your therapist.

Just be resolved to learn from it in the future. No need to beat yourself up. Count your lucky stars he was a walking nightmare that would have screwed up your future. Just be thankful he's gone, remove his number and NEVER contact him again. Literally walk past him if you see him on the street.

Oshun · 02/11/2017 12:47

@HadronCollider

Wow. Every word you've said is true. It's quite huge to see it all broken down so plainly

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StigmaStyle · 02/11/2017 12:49

He blames me for him having taken all those drugs on Friday as he said he did it because he was lonely and I hadn't shown up.

OK I was reading the whole thing in mounting horror anyway – the drugs would be a dealbreaker for me for starters – but the above sentence is the clincher. Yes, abusive. This is in the early stages and he's pulling out the emotional blackmail, blaming and responsibility-dodging. Bright, fluttering red flag that this behaviour will get much, much worse if you get really involved with him.

I can see how it happened, he seemed lovely and you had deep conversations and really clicked - it's then hard to just drop it when he starts revealing less desirable stuff. But it's definitely gone way past acceptable now. He is needy, immature, sexually aggressive, selfish, a cocklodger and an addict to boot.

Cut your losses, put it down to experience and get rid now, do not get tangled up with this arsehole.

MistressDeeCee · 02/11/2017 12:51

OP I wouldn't say he is abusive. But he is a drug addict and already modelling what your relationship will be like if you stay with him. But actually - he won't stay with you. You won't have a relationship. Drugs are the most important thing in his life and you can't compete. You will be reduced to the occasional shag, and listening ear for his woes when he can't get hold of weed or coke. There's nothing to analyse about him. It is what it is. You're already working on yourself so, good luck with that and hopefully that will progress well.

Oshun · 02/11/2017 12:51

I am now almost laughing at his behaviour immediately us having sex for the first time. "I'm tired and I wanna go to my mum's house for the night!"

What the actual f-ck.

This is the moment when it really hit me like a sledgehammer just how messed up this situation is

OP posts:
Oshun · 02/11/2017 12:52

@StigmaStyle what is a 'cocklodger'?

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StigmaStyle · 02/11/2017 12:52

And also - I may get flamed but I'll say it anyway – I have never met a man involved with yoga who wasn't an utter twatbadger.

Eolian · 02/11/2017 12:59

It's understandable you have problems with self esteem and boundaries because of your past experience. Most people without these problems would have heard about the man's drug use and immediately stayed well away from him. That was reason enough on its own. You do not have to tolerate any kind of dodginess or difficult behaviour from a potential partner. None. Whatsoever.

StigmaStyle · 02/11/2017 13:00

"Cocklodger" is used on here to mean a man who won't pay his own way and gets into relationships to get his foot in the door and a roof over his head.

He's currently sponging off his mum, which isn't cocklodging as such (one hopes!) but he's clearly up for taking financial advantage of people, so he's the type who'd want to move in and then you'd end up paying for everything while he spends his money on drugs.

Penfold007 · 02/11/2017 13:01

Oshun you have been naive which may be a result of low self esteem, do please take this to your therapist next week. He's probably very experienced at grooming women and immediately spotted your vulnerability.
He's a criminal and a drug addict, I don't for one minute buy his story of the condom accidentally coming off during sex, he knew it wasn't on and still continued having sex with you. His reaction to your comment re abortion makes this very clear.
Follow all the excellent advice all ready offered and yes ask about an IUD and get checked for STIs.
Block him and ghost him, keep yourself safe.
It would be worth considering speak to the police re Clare's Law www.met.police.uk/advice-and-information/domestic-abuse/clares-law-and-requesting-domestic-violence-offender-data/

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 02/11/2017 13:05

Part of recovering from abusive relationships is learning to recognise the red flags and then act accordingly. With practise you can do it quicker and quicker. Don't beat yourself up. You are clearly on the right path.

Most women have started a relationship with someone who could be abusive but seemed normal at first. The difference between women in abusive relationships and those not, isn't about never dating the abusive / losers, but the ability to drop the bad ones like a hot stone when they behave badly.

Judge them by their worst not by their best.

You are doing fine if you dump him now and block completely (he will chase, especially when wasted).

Unpacking why you didn't dump sooner with your therapist comes second.

  1. Dump today. Now.
  2. Analyse self.
StigmaStyle · 02/11/2017 13:07

Agree, and I'd also add 3. Do something nice for yourself. Don't see it as a failure or something you've done wring - reward yourself for seeing things clearly at this point, as that's a good sign. Flowers

exhaustedmumof4 · 02/11/2017 13:09

My husband is a cocaine addict. I knew he was a heavy ‘recreational’ user, it’s sadly very common amongst my friends and I thought it was something he would grow out of. 4 kids later and I now know he was in active addiction for nearly the whole time I’ve known him. He’s been in and out of rehab, has been unfaithful, spent all our money on drugs, broken promises, broken mine and our children’s hearts over and over. He’s a broken mess of a person, so immature and just not equipped to handle adult life at all. If only I’d taken notice of the many, many red flags over the years. We are separated and I’m on my own with 4 kids. He’s just relapsed again after 2 months in rehab and I’ll probably have to stop him seeing the children. I wouldn’t wish this kind of relationship on my worst enemy. I love him deeply, he’s funny, witty, kind and clever. But there’s a part of his brain that wants to kill him and it’s unbearable to watch someone you love destroy themselves and you in the process. If I could go back and tell 21 year old me to run, I would do it in an instant. Please don’t put yourself through this.

Oshun · 02/11/2017 13:25

@exhaustedmumof4 wow, you've been through so much

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luckyDuvet · 02/11/2017 13:30

I don't get why you thought people might flame you?

serialcheat · 02/11/2017 13:34

Stigmastyle: Twatbadger - Classic 😀

Next time I have a drunken one night stand, and I wake up and the lady in question is built like a bricklayer and covered in tattoos, you have furnished me with the perfect excuse to get the hell out, A.S.A.P.

' I'm off to my Mums for a deep conversation '

serialcheat · 02/11/2017 13:43

I'd better add....

Actually, I don't drink, I don't do one night stands, and I have nothing but respect for heavily tattooed female bricklayers 😙

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