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I know I can't change this. I just need to understand how bad what I did was.

61 replies

HelpMeToUnderstandThis · 02/11/2017 07:35

I have very recently split up with my boyfriend.

I have AS, he has moderate functioning autism.

Over the past few weeks, he has driven me mad with behaviours that have obviously been anxiety driven. I knew he was upset, but not really why. I have been frustrated by not being able to 'get through to him' to help him feel better.

When he did tell me, it seemed to me to not be a huge issue. I tried to talk things through and explain to him. But it didn't make any difference. He said he understood, but then kept repeating it again.

So then he drove me mad with that. Constantly repeating the same reason and finally he ended things because of it. He had become fixated on it and wouldn't let it go no matter how many strategies I used to explain it. I was cross and also upset that we had split up over something that, to me, seemed ridiculous.

He is a lovely man. He has significant autistic traits but they make sense to me and I find them far easier to manage than many of the behaviours/aspects of relationships I read about on here. He is the kindest and most gentle and loyal man I've ever met.

Anyway, it turns out that reason was not the full picture, and was a bit of a 'red herring', which is why my explanations didn't work. And why he still felt that I didn't love him and that he wasn't important enough to me, even though I did and he was.

A few weeks ago, we got talking to a man. I had met him a few times previously, before I knew my ex boyfriend and we got on well. He is fairly new to the area, is quiet and doesn't have any friends locally. He suggested meeting up and he and I swapped phone numbers. My ex boyfriend was there at the time. In my head, this was just about making friends, going out for drinks, no problems. In my now ex boyfriend's head, you don't give another man in the pub your phone number when you are in a relationship. I haven't communicated with this man in the absence of my boyfriend at all.

Once this man knew I had a boyfriend, he suggested that the three of us went out. He hasn't, at any point, said anything inappropriate. I had no reason to believe that he was being dishonest when he said he is just interested in friends and would like to get to know both of us.

My ex boyfriend only told me that the phone number thing had upset him last night. He hasn't tried to tell me what I can/can't do at any point, but he has ended it because I did something that upset him and broke his trust and he can't get past it. He said he would never have exchanged numbers with another woman because he loves me. The only reason it was me this man exchanged numbers with is because my ex boyfriend finds communication difficult. He doesn't really text or speak to anyone other than me.

I feel terrible because I know now that this has hurt him. And he has done exactly what I do in relationships, and what I think you should do, if you don't feel that someone respects you or they break your trust, then you end it. There's no point in asking someone not to do whatever it is, or expecting them to change for you, or arguing. You just end it.

But I need to understand how bad what I did was.

Please be gentle because I do also have an asd, I just find it easier to articulate my thoughts than he does, which is why it took him so long to tell me what was really upsetting him.

I just feel terrible. I accept that it's over because I have broken his trust, but I need to understand whether what I did was just objectively wrong. I just feel so bad that I didn't make him feel loved and cherished when that is exactly how he made me feel.

OP posts:
Branleuse · 02/11/2017 10:15

You cannot take autism out of the equation. Autism IS the reason he is being so rigid and unable to see your point of view is different to his.

You actually havent done anything objectively wrong. You have done something that he is uncomfortable with and he is infering intention to your behaviour that wasnt there. He thinks because he wouldnt give his number to someone he wasnt romantically or sexually interested in, then you wouldnt either, therefore you are interested in this guy. If he cannot accept that he might be wrong about this, then not only will this keep recurring in this relationship, it will recurr in whatever relationship he ever has. I dont know what you can do to get through to him, but I dont think this is really your fault. Its just a misunderstanding, and he is freaked out and has retreated.
I wonder if there is any sort of relationship counsellor in your area that has experience of neurodiversity/autism?

Branleuse · 02/11/2017 10:17

of course theres no reason she HAS to live with it, but she loves him, and with some adjustments there is no reason why someone with autism cannot have fulfilling and succesful relationships. They do not have to act like someone without autism to do this. It just takes a bit more work.

Branleuse · 02/11/2017 10:21

I am actually really heartened by most of the replies here. I know its not my thread, but me and my partner both have suspected autism and some of our relationship issues we have had to work through would not go down well here and they are directly related to our autistic traits, so its so lovely to see people being so thoughtful and understanding in their responses

senua · 02/11/2017 10:49

with some adjustments there is no reason why someone with autism cannot have fulfilling and successful relationships.

Agreed but the bf is trying to say that it is OP that has to make adjustments, and that's not right. She said "The only reason it was me this man exchanged numbers with is because my ex boyfriend finds communication difficult. He doesn't really text or speak to anyone [on the phone] other than me." If he can't communicate and is trying to stop OP communicating then they will end up in a lonely little bubble of only two.
Either OP capitulates, bf changes or they go their separate ways. I think one of the latter two is the most healthy option. And it is up to bf to want to change, not OP to force him.

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 02/11/2017 10:49

I think it's important you don't take the position of being in the "wrong" and apologise to placate your boyfriend OP.
By admitting you have done something wrong, you'll be confirming in his head that he is right. He will continue to feel justified in his fairly irrational jealous reasoning.

As Bran says, your boyfriend has misinterpreted an innocent situation and he has to realise his insecurities are making him behave unreasonably.
It's difficult if he sees everything as right or wrong, black or white but I don't think you will work together if he can't trust you to make the right choices.

He cannot impress such rigid rules on your relationship. You both need to trust each other and allow one another freedom to pursue outside friendships/ interests.

I think it's a good idea as suggested to involve a third party to resolve this. A therapist, his parents or a trusted family member might help him by giving him an outside view?

Branleuse · 02/11/2017 10:56

yes, but he is saying that BECAUSE he is autistic. This is part of theory of mind, which is a common issue with autistic people to really struggle with other peoples points of view being different to theirs. Hes not trying to be difficult. If he wants to be able to have a succesful relationship, he is going to have to try and be self aware about which are his issues and which are actually other people being unreasonable.
Hes obviously objectively in the wrong, but its about how to get round this and make it work, otherwise he is going to have a lonely life

Angelf1sh · 02/11/2017 11:00

You didn’t do anything wrong. You exchanged a number with a friend. If he felt your intention was more than that then he’s wrong and he should have listened to you. If he is unwilling or unable to listen to your explanation or to accept that he might be wrong, then you are better off out of this relationship.

username7979 · 02/11/2017 11:05

Sounds tough, and you are both meaning well. Not of you have committed something horrible.
Being fixated is an autism trait. You can't change this.
The only thing that you can do it to accept it and learn to communicate with this in mind. I don't feel I can be helpful as I have no idea how to do this. Otherwise leaving is the best option.

StorminaBcup · 02/11/2017 11:15

Nothing would get arranged or organised if it were left to him!

That sounds awful

It doesn’t sound awful, organising and planning social events for you both isn’t going to be his strong point if he is not a good communicator and it isn’t his comfort zone.

Some of the responses here are a bit Confused, it’s a black and white situation regarding the disagreement of a phone number and rigid thought processes preventing the OP’s ex-bf to move on from it. There are no ‘hidden’ agendas or controlling behaviours.

Isetan · 02/11/2017 11:35

You haven't behaved badly, neither has he but in his rigid thinking this was a red line. As much as you love him, you two aren't wired the same way and if it wasn't this it would have been something else, for that I am certain. Your innocence and openness is alien to him and I think he's done the right thing and saved yourselves a whole lot of heartache by ending it.

This is not you making a error, in my opinion you didn't but he's entitled to place his red line where he wants, even if it isn't logical to you or me.

Stop beating yourself up.

He can more change himself than you can.

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 02/11/2017 11:47

I don't know. Op describes him as the kindest man she's ever known To me kindness translates as considerate of other's feelings, accommodating, caring. He is capable of thinking beyond his own feelings.
Although he's approached the situation in a rigid uncompromising (autistic) way, it is all based on jealousy, insecurity and a lack of trust. Those aren't necessarily autistic traits.

There is a danger of allowing him to put restrictions on his girlfriend and her accommodating his strict rules simply because he is autistic. Even unintentionally, that is controlling.

It is possible that you're both fixating on this one event. He might not feel equipped to handle a relationship right now but is struggling to articulate why so is using this as a logical reason.

CamperVamp · 02/11/2017 17:24

SGB (reanimated) : thank you for the word 'neurodivergent'. I like that and will find it useful.

HelpMeToUnderstandThis · 02/11/2017 19:21

Thank you so much for the replies.

I knew some would assume he is controlling or jealous or a bully but he just isn't. I have male friends. He has absolutely no problem at all with me spending time with them. This isn't about jealousy or control, it's about autism and rigidity of thinking and processing, his boundaries and not recognising that something might look similar to something else, but be different. The motivation is completely different. As someone else said, there is no 'hidden agenda'.

It's been so lovely to read all the understanding posts. Thank you.

Branleuse you've articulated it all so perfectly, there isn't really anything else for me to say in response to a lot of this.

So I did email him this morning and he's replied and said he'd like to me at the weekend to talk.

He doesn't want me to change. This isn't about controlling me. He isn't telling me who I can and can't see, he is happy about me having friends (including male friends) and going out. This is about me overstepping a boundary/breaking a rule and him saying, "I love you, but you overstepped the mark so I'm walking away".

Except that it hasn't made either of us happy. He's apologised for upsetting me and said he doesn't want me to change or stop seeing my friends, but this phone number thing just really upset him. I think it was a line in the sand for him. He said that he loves me and his heart is broken and he's not been himself since we split up. I know how he feels. I don't want him to feel ill. All I want to do is see him.

OP posts:
StorminaBcup · 02/11/2017 20:47

At the risk of sounding over-invested too, I really hope you can both work things out and be happy again together!

HelpMeToUnderstandThis · 03/11/2017 09:09

Thanks. I'm not sure I'm ready to take the risk at the moment. But if we can at least talk things through and I can maybe help him to see how it looked to me, then at least we might both find some peace with it.

Thanks.

OP posts:
Branleuse · 03/11/2017 20:55

I really hope you can sort it out. It sounds like youre really well suited. Im sure this is just a blip x

HelpMeToUnderstandThis · 04/11/2017 09:49

He came round last night.

We had a really good talk about it. I think he'd already processed some of the phone number thing by last night.

I talked about the appropriate and inappropriate phone number sharing as someone upthread had suggested and he did get that.

He didn't want to tell me to stop doing something that was making him feel bad, but didn't want to feel bad either. So he ended it. He didn't want to end it, but it was the only way he could make it stop. That's how I usually deal with things in relationships - I'm quite 'hard' on the dealbreakers. I often read NTs saying things like "you can't switch of your emotions" but I do and, once the switch is flicked, there's no going back. Which is what I was worried about.

He said he has realised that he needs to just talk to me but it takes him longer to process how he feels and then articulate it.

We decided to give it another go but put some 'ground rules' in place and some strategies for managing the anxiety.

I'm really pleased. We are well suited. Probably look like a total mismatch to most people but he's so unlike other men.

He said he felt like he'd lost a bit of himself without me Sad

OP posts:
StorminaBcup · 04/11/2017 12:13

I’m so glad you’ve managed to work through this and put some strategies in place for the future. Here’s hoping for a long and happy future for you both!

CamperVamp · 04/11/2017 15:08

Great news, HelpMe, and good for you,

You have both (him in the end!) handled this really well.

Wishing you both luck.

Branleuse · 04/11/2017 15:38

great news OP. I hope this works. Sounds like you do have very good communication with each other. Such a vital part of a relationship.

Its not about whether you have misunderstandings or disagreements - everyone has those, but how you deal with it after and sort things out is everything. It sounds like youve both got a lot of respect for each other. Lovely

FluffyWhiteTowels · 05/11/2017 08:28

Lovely news OP. Sounds a good plan to have an agreed strategy that indicates one of you isn't feeling good but that you both know it will time to articulate what it is instead of closing off emotions and running.

Good luck i hope you can build a loving future together xxx

DeadGood · 05/11/2017 09:36

Lovely news OP

HelpMeToUnderstandThis · 05/11/2017 09:57

Thank you Smile

Some of the strategies are around positive self talk that can keep his emotions under check until we've spoken. I have to use them myself otherwise I would be quite chaotic/extreme in my emotional responses and they spiral quite quickly which is what leads to meltdowns.

But I've realised that I wasn't communicating everything I needed to to him either, which was exacerbating things.

Ultimately, I feel safe and loved with him. I've never felt truly 'safe' with anyone before. Feeling safe is hugely important for me because I've always felt so unsafe in the past - emotionally rather than physically.

So fingers crossed...

OP posts:
ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 05/11/2017 10:29

It sounds like you've made real progress after talking things through. He really needs to implement those strategies moving forwards, otherwise there's a danger he'll end things every time he feels bad or "wronged" in some way.

I'm so pleased you've realised what you did wasn't bad at all. It really was his issue. You sound very kind and understanding.

AnnieAnoniMouse · 07/11/2017 23:13

Oh that's heartwarming news 😊

A lot of people don't understand autism, it's good you didn't let their comments put you off.

I hope one of your 'Ground Rules' is not to end the relationship before discussing things properly (even if that's not immediately & he needs some space to process things first), because there's no stability in a relationship where you fear the other person simply ending it if something upsets them.

You both sound lovely.