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Is it normal for my wife to be so secretive with her mobile phone

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Jon1970 · 28/10/2017 14:17

Hi, I am a bloke gatecrashing mumsnet to see if my reactions are normal (or controlling, as my wife puts it) or maybe somewhere in between?

My wife had a nine month affair coming up to 3 years ago. It was all conducted in our house, in our bedroom, which has made it bloody hard to bear. She has had mental health issues for the past ten years, up and down in a roughly 3 year cycle, although never actually diagnosed as bi-polar. Personality disorder has been mentioned but never diagnosed. Anti-depressants have never made any real difference and I actually think at times made things worse. I could go into pages and pages of stuff that has happened over the years but will try to keep on subject. She hasn't worked since 2003.

After the affair came to light, she had a breakdown and within 4 months had been sectioned. Social services wanted her out of the house after coming out of hospital so she lived with her parents for a while and I looked after our two girls with the help of a nanny and work were very understanding. We had other nannies perviously in the other 'down' cycles, it has been the only way to hold onto my job and career over the past ten years.

There is acres of detail I could go into, and I can see now that my post has turned into a much broader post than the subject title, but getting back on point the thing that is bugging me right now is whether or not she is having another affair. The latest obsession (last 12 months) has been going to the gym every day, she is usually there at least 3-4 hours a day. SHe went to a spin class at 10am this morning and 4 hours later is still not back. She is currently on a 'high' phase, very confident. She has told me during an argument that she "is not short of offers".

Clealry I'm still sensitive about the affair, I don't think I had any time to process it properly as at the time I was in survival mode, keeping things afloat at work and at home. I know as I'm writing this I probably sound like a complete mug and that I should grow some balls not start posting on mumsnet, and have almost filed for divorce twice. The biggest thing holding me back I think is how the hell I would deal with looking after the girls permanantly as given her history I would want (and have been advised that I would get) the majority of custody. Not to mention I have been told by a solicitor that she would get more than half of our assets, which would be about £1M all up. People have said dont worry about the money just think about your happiness but I have slogged my guts out for 20 years and it really doesn't feel fair that she would get more than half. Also, I am worried about the girls relying on her if custody was split more evenly as she can be very self-obsessed, not cooking decent meals etc, not making dinner until 9pm on a school night etc.

Anyway, going back to the subject header, this is my question: if you had had an affair and then your husband, 3 years down the line, wanted to be able to look at your text messages now and again, would you see that as ok, or as "controlling". If I so much as go near her phone, she snatches it away. A year ago she wasnt bothered at all. Something has changed, or is she just being unreasonable.

Put more simply.......do other 'normal' married couples keep their mobile password secret from their other halves? (I don't). Opinions?

Thanks for reading, I know this turned out to be a bit of a rambling post....but quite therapeutic and a lot cheaper than a therapist...

OP posts:
Warhammerwidow89 · 28/10/2017 18:54

The only way to recover from an affair is complete transparency. I keep my phone on me most of the time, however it lays around the house and my DF is welcome to check it as he pleases. Same with me and his. Neither of us have had affairs.

She sounds like hard work OP. I feel for you

celticmissey · 28/10/2017 19:09

Did she show remorse after the affair? and did you both talk about what was expected from her afterwards to help rebuild your trust? Sounds to me that she is having the life of riley and its all paid for by you.

Firstly, why doesn't she have a diagnosis for her mental health? she's suffered with it long enough!
3-4 hours at the gym???? are you sure she's at the gym or is she going somewhere else?

I agree with the au pair full time - she's not good for you or your girls from the sounds of it.

have you considered a PRIVATE DETECTIVE?? a male friend of mine used one and had photographs of his wife with her new partner within seven days - proof indeed - as much as it hurt he then moved on.

butterfly56 · 28/10/2017 19:14

You need to make yourself and your children your main priority.
Trying to hold down a job and deal with this kind of stress at home will have a detrimental effect on your own and your childrens' emotional health and wellbeing if you stay in this marriage.

noseyjosey · 28/10/2017 19:18

I am yet to meet someone in a phase of mania who is able to deceive a loved one for a prolonged period of time such as the affair you describe. There sounds to be a degree of awareness and calculation about it that is difficult for a significantly elated person to manage. Being sexually forward so to speak is not unusual, but this would be obvious to all, not just one specific other without your awareness. Now there may be something I’m missing, and I don’t want to disagree with her medical team, but is there someone on her team who you can speak to about this more thoroughly?

As for the phone. No we don’t, but we have no reason not to trust one another. However as I always say to women on here. If one person has deceived in the past, then they forgo any right to privacy in my opinion. They need to continue to demonstrate their loyalty.

Good luck

Anatidae · 28/10/2017 19:25

Husband and I have access to each other’s phones. Nothing on there to hide. Sometimes need each other to check something like an appointment so we both have access.

However. I would not be pleased if he regularly wanted to check in my messages. Privacy is important. Neither would I look through his, although again nothing to hide.

You dont want to stay in this marriage, and you don’t have to. It might be better to separate. It must be having a deterimental effect on your children and yourself.

Mrsjohnmurphy · 28/10/2017 20:12

In everyday life there is no need to be going into other people's phones, but you just know when someone is being defensive with it. They think they are being all clever, but it's just so clear. If you are feeling that way there is a high likelihood of something to hide.

Annoyed5678 · 28/10/2017 20:34

How would she get half the assets when you'll have sole custody of the children? Sounds like she's been absent from a majority of their life too

LucieLucie · 28/10/2017 20:35

It sounds like she’s a bit of a leech who’s checked out of your relationship a long time ago.

She hasn’t worked since 2003 AND needed a nanny to help look after the kids, NO WAY should she be entitled to over 50% of your assets. She’s also cheated so she should lose rights for that too.

Honestly, I think she’s behaving really badly and you’re going to be much better off without her.

Get a shit hot lawyer and get your finances sorted, do what you need to do then get her out.

4 hours at the gym every day...she’s taking the piss. And as for her phone, no it’s not normal to snatch it away. She either got something to hide or she’s playing with your head. Either way she’s toxic.

Jon1970 · 28/10/2017 20:38

Thanks to everyone for their replies - much appreciated.

Quite understandably a lot of people have asked me what is motivating me to stay? What am I getting from this marriage? The short answer is not much at all, apart from someone who takes the girls to school and back once a day whilst I’m at work. If DW is ill again, which I expect to happen (based on past experience over the last 10 years) mid next year, I wouldn’t get this either and I would be back to being a carer again, as well as looking after everything else domestically and at work. This has happened 3 times in the last ten years, and it lasts about a year each time. I’m not sure I could go through it again, I have half joked to a few friends that it could kill me next time, and I’m now getting to an age when I can actually see that happening, I’m actually deadly serious.

DW has been sleeping in the spare room for 4 months (her choice). This is because I complained about her repeatedly staying up until 1am on Facebook and waking me up coming to bed. She needs very little sleep currently.

I do sometimes think that she is just taking advantage of me, as some posters have highlighted, but when she is down (she’s currently up) she is DOWN....no self confidence, in bed all day, and so on. It’s only just over a year ago she was convinced that she had dementia, dyspraxia and aspergers (all at the same time). She has made so many suicide threats over the years that I don’t take it seriously anymore. At the moment though she knows better than anyone else, is very, very confident in herself and her opinions.

The mental health community team has been hopeless, they are under resourced, and as someone said before, if they have not diagnosed anything specific after ten years of being in and out of acute psychiatric wards (including one private one, which was way worse than the NHS ones) I don’t expect they will. I’m 100% resigned to the fact that my wife is who she is, and will never make any kind of miracle recovery. I think she will cycle up and down every three years for the rest of her life.

So this is why she would get more than half of the assets, her solicitor would use the mental health issues (especially if mine was using them to ensure that the girls live with me). Apparently the logic is that my salary is enough for me to pay for everything I’d need to anyway, even if DW gets the majority of existing assets. I make over £200k/year so maybe this is true. But I’m not confident about carrying on in that level of job as a single parent (although I HAVE done it before, when I’ve just had to, when she’s been ill). It’s just harder to make a conscious decision to be a single parent than it is to deal with it because you’re presented with a situation that gives you no choice as I have been thus far. I remember how hard it was, although there’s nothing on the domestic front that I can’t do, I’ve coped before so logically I could do it again.

I know what I need to do, logically it’s obvious. Two therapists have also told me this, at the first meeting I had with them.

I do care so very much about my girls - I think they are strong but I do not know what the long term damage could be, I shudder to think. They don’t have any obvious issues - they are well adjusted, happy in their school lives and friendships and I think have coped by becoming somewhat detached from their mum. The dynamic in our house absolutely feels like 3 + 1, rather than a family of 4, if you see what I mean.

I will create a separate post on a more relevant topic thread, and see if there is any legal advice out there to qualify the finance aspects a bit more. I have also instructed a solicitor to do this, earlier this week, so they can give me better guidance than “she’ll get more than half”.

Regards the phone, you are all dead right, this is almost inconsequential and in hindsight was a bit of a silly post compared to the rest of the iceberg that is lying underneath it. Bottom line is that I don’t trust her anymore, and am just worn out. I think that is part of the issue, that I barely have the energy to get through a divorce process. But do I want to be in the same place in 5 years - no. Do I want my children to think this is normal - no (and I’ve already told them it’s not, they are both old enough to understand what is going on).

Thanks - this has been helpful. I’ve been round this enough to know that only I can make my own decisions but I do sincerely value the input.

I need to let the loss of financial security wash over me and focus on the positives of being able to build something new and better.

OP posts:
PerspicaciaTick · 28/10/2017 20:40

In your position OP, I would hate to feel I had become the sort of person that needed/wanted to check my partners phone. That fact alone would eat away at my self-respect - let alone all the other shit that you have had to deal with over the years.

It sounds like your marriage is very unhealthy for you. It doesn't sound great for your children and doesn't seem to be doing much for your wife either. Time to think long and hard about moving on.

LaughingElliot · 28/10/2017 20:49

In your position I’d be wanting out. Life’s too short to live like this. Apart, you can get on with your life, your relationship with the children, and look forwards instead of backwards.

Your wife sounds very unwell but I’m not convinced that means you have to put up with all this. And let’s face it, cheaters keep cheating.

jeaux90 · 28/10/2017 20:58

OP I earn similar to you. If I was you I would get a live in to do the school runs and look after the house, cook and supervise homework. Legal and finance wise I would try and make it a clean break with your wife but see what the advice is.

I'm a single mum, I travel for work and my life is very peaceful. I have an awesome live in that makes my life very easy most of the time. Sounds like you could do with some of the same.

Do this for you as life is too short, do this for your kids as they need to know that that whilst you can co-parent with their mother that you have a right to make the best choices for you too.

Intercom · 28/10/2017 22:22

I’m not an expert but did they give you a reason why bipolar wasn’t diagnosed? Antidepressants don’t tend to work for it but there are medications that do.

honeylulu · 28/10/2017 23:17

Another vote for get a live in nanny/household help.
You need to separate from your wife and the girls should stay with you.
If she is NRP I still don't see why she'd get more than half, or even half. You have to house your children and they'll be with you!
Good luck with getting legal advice and hope it all works out.

BTW although I'd be livid if my husband snooped at my phone behind my back, he (and our son) know my passcodes - I might ask one of them to make a call when I'm driving etc and anything he asked me I would tell him. Vice versa with his phone. Secrecy is concerning, yes.

Be3Al2Si6O18 · 28/10/2017 23:53

Your marriage is long over. Though I do not like the comments "bin" and "get rid". They are wholly inappropriate and should not set the tone for your future relationship with your wife and mother of your children.

You have great riches staring you in the face and still available to you. But you talk about these things as if they are physical possessions with monetary value. You deal in a world of property and money, but as you move forward put your daughters first and foremost. Your assumptions on how they will be may not be correct. It is probable your assumptions on that are wrong.

Put your daughters first as you rebuild your life. Be respectful of your wife and future ex-wife as you go through the rest of your life.

Don't scrabble around looking at phone PIN numbers and fighting over the financial minutiae, or it will cost you dear.

You can have a great life, and a great relationship with your daughters if you put them at the front of what you do. That will be the biggest change you will have to make.

regisitme · 29/10/2017 00:15

I agree with the previous posters, get legal advice. I really think you'd be better out of the relationship with the right support around you.

FWIW I travelled internationally, working in Milan, Thailand, Germany and Australia taking a nanny with me. When my daughter was school age I settled down with a nanny, but I did that on my own without a partner.

It can be done, you just need to be organised. I'm not sure which industry you are in but I'm increasingly seeing a trend towards supporting men to contribute more to family life. This in turn supports women and increases diversity in leadership. It's not all altruistic, it improves the bottom line, but would your organisation be flexible with you? Eg, some days working from home, or being allowed to leave early to attend school commitments and then making it up out of office hours?

cestlavielife · 29/10/2017 00:27

Get a full time qualified nanny
Of course you can co time eorking. Buy in help.
Divorce your wife. Her mental health is not your responsibility. As she is an adult she has to engage with services. You running around wondering what her texts say is pointless.

She needs to be an ex living elsewhere. Your dc can see her when she well.
Get a lawyer. If dc live with you she can't take half your assets.

Focus on you and dc.
Hire a great nanny .
Don't wait for fall put things in place.

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Wallywobbles · 29/10/2017 07:52

Look you have enough money to start again. So do so. She’ll end up divorcing you do it might as well be you that starts the ball rolling. If you wait you’ll loose more.

Don’t say anything. See several lawyers until you find one that is really going to fight your corner.

Get good childcare in place and a nanny or whatever. I’d aim for you to be the resident parent and her every other weekend.

My mum died when I was 7 and I was the youngest of 4. There are other family models than resident mother.

Wallywobbles · 29/10/2017 07:54

I do think that any financial settlement needs to be a one off not an ongoing one though.

differentnameforthis · 29/10/2017 08:03

Cleavergreene Can we please not talk about a woman with MH issues in such a way? She isn't just an object for a decent/frequent "root" & comparing her to cancer is vile.

Intercom · 29/10/2017 08:15

Well said different.

Teabay · 29/10/2017 09:02

The sooner you start the divorce ball rolling, the less of your pension she will receive.
You still have time to make this up.
Don't hesitate - do it for your children.
There ARE other family models than stay at home mother and working father - show your girls this, then they'll pick a partner like you, and not like their mother.
How old are they?

MaisyPops · 29/10/2017 09:09

I don't think it's normal to check phones to prove trust or loyalty, however your situation isn't your average normal.situation.

I think you should get legal advice and leave. She is playing you big time.

Put it this way, even if she isn't having an affair she still insists on telling you that she isn't short of offers. What sort of person does that?

Sounds to me (mental health aside) like she enjoys not working, gets to spens lots of time on herself and looking good and then enjoys reminding you that she could get all these other men if she wanted. Total bitch.

Cleavergreene · 29/10/2017 11:58

I offended the great ladies of mn by using an alternative word for sex. I gotta say, I love the double standards on here. Nevertheless, I’ll paraphrase what I said.

You lack intimacy (I used an alterative word which caused offence. And we all know what Stephen fry thinks of those who get offfended). There are no other redeeming features I can see. Cut her away. She’s a cancer.

You’ll sort your finances. If she plays hard ball, do the same. Question her mental state to look after the children.

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