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A difficult 13 year old dd! Over weight and I need help :(

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 24/10/2017 08:04

It's very very hard to explain my 13 year old dd. I know her strops are a part of her age etc but I can't reason with her.
She doesn't like the word no! Eventually when she realises I'm not going to back down she hates me. She says awful things. Then she says I love her sister (my youngest dd) more than her. I let her sister do this, I let her sister do That, I don't shout at her sister. My youngest dd is so loving and caring and just doesn't complain. She understands life doesn't always go to plan and appreciates things. She obviously has her little strops but overall is mild mannered and lovely company.
Some days I'm anxious around my 13 year old dd. The smallest thing will set her off. Like I have cooked the wrong thing for tea, she wants chocolate, why can't her friend stay over again (they stay over), it's so hard to explain. Everything is a battle which brings me to why I'm posting.
My dd is also over weight and recently I have noticed faint stretch marks on her tummy. I have tried the gym, dance class, walking with her, encouraging healthy choices, we have cried together, she has been bullied and I have told her I can help her but she has to listen to me. She gets angry with me. She wont stick to any of it. She secretly eats. I find wrappers in her bag. She has absolute melt downs like a 2 year old if I say she can't have something.
I am not home until 5.30 most days so she let's herself in. I stopped buying rubbish ages ago but she will make cereal, eat bread, cheese, ham, anything she can. It's like it's all she wants to do is eat. I prepare snacks, buy fruit but she doesn't listen.
On weekends I try to stay active with them but she wants to see her friends. She gets angry because all her friends have money. I explain why as she spends it on rubbish.
I didn't want to take it all away as my youngest enjoys a treat so I stuck to weekend only treats. If I gave her money, she buys rubbish. Nothing works.
I'm desperate to help her but exhausted too :(

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 24/10/2017 12:09

WhoeverUWantMeToBe Hi :) thankyou for your post. Yes, as I am reading today, I am questioning what the reasons could be. I'm also now quite concerned this is an emotional coping issue. I really need to sort this.
I run also and have taken my dd's to a couple of park runs but they moan at me as it's a 9am start on a sat morning haha. I think you are right. I am so busy sometimes I don't think about her seeing what I am doing. I sometimes snack if I am busy but We all try to sit at weekends and eat together. We all need to change a few things, I think. Yes, I will try and turn it around and try the steps. Thankyou, so helpful.
KatnissK Thankyou :)

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 24/10/2017 12:11

Ttbb hi :) I will look into some walks as I couldn't afford a holiday right now. My you fest will walk with me but my 13 year old moans and wants to see friends so I let her. Do I force her into coming with us?

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 24/10/2017 12:15

user1494670108 hi:) missed your post when it ju.ped to page 2. It's a battle isn't it? Also, worrying as we want them to make healthy choices.
WhoeverUWantMeToBe Yes, I'm going to tread carefully. Thankyou for sharing. It has made me think about this even more. I am going to change things, I am. I'm so worried for her.

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WhoeverUWantMeToBe · 24/10/2017 12:17

You have all my sympathy OP because all a 13 year old wants to do is see friends so I know it's going to be hard to fit exercise as a family in. (Park runs are great, but I imagine the 9am start isn't popular!)

You know your own schedule better than us and can see where best to fit your chunks of family exercise in.

You're clearly trying really hard and your DD is lucky to have you.

QueenJane · 24/10/2017 12:20

I was exactly the same at 13, and I had two role models, my mum and my aunt. My mum always cooked healthy meals and never had junk in the house. She would take me to the gym and encourage me to eat less. I felt pressured to be thinner and I think it did leave me with lasting issues.

My aunt was more diplomatic. She emphasised that having nice skin and teeth, and being healthy inside was important. She never mentioned my weight, and that approach was much more successful. I don’t doubt that they both had the same goal, but I felt bad about myself when my mum pushed the dieting.

NannyOggsKnickers · 24/10/2017 12:24

I would echo what others have said. I was a slightly overweight teen who was so body shamed by my own mother that I have a very unhealthy relationship with food. I am now a morbidly obese adult. I eat my feelings and I know that. I am just powerless to stop it

Teach her how to cook. Make nice things together and don’t give food power. With my DD I am not going to make a song and dance about how bad certain foods are. It just gives them power. If I feel bad then I eat bad foods. I don’t want her to do that. Food is food. So buy her the odd chocolate but don’t emphasis the treat nature of it.

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 24/10/2017 12:29

WhoeverUWantMeToBe Thankyou for your kind words :) I am home today and currently making a plan :) Somewhere, surely I can fit something in for us. I'm trying to think of other things to take her mind off eating also. Thankyou again.
QueenJane hi :) thankyou for that. I will take that on board. I'm always telling her how beautiful she is. She is, beautiful thick blonde locks and lovely teeth. I want her to believe it too! Thankyou everyone :)

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 24/10/2017 12:34

NannyOggsKnickers hi :) thankyou for sharing. Ok, thanks, I will try. My job is to empower people to believe in themselves and not self judge. I'm a huge supporter of stopping body shaming and encourage equality. This is why I'm struggling, I want to say and do the right thing as I know our role models have a massive impact later on in life.

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Tabsicle · 24/10/2017 12:48

I think others have posted on this, but I’ll add my tuppence too. I was a slightly overweight teen with an anxious mum who obviously worried about my weight. PLEASE be gentle with her. I was podgy at 13, underweight and bulimic at 17 and have struggled with my weight ever since. I know it’s really worrying to see her getting bigger, but focusing on that is really counterproductive. PLEASE don’t turn exercise into a thing she has to do to shift her weight – it will make her resent it, and long term could really affect the chances of her living healthily as soon as she leaves home.

Maybe try and find out if there’s an exercise related hobby she might enjoy and try and pay for it, but just as a fun thing to do – not because ‘YOU ARE FAT AND JUST LOSE WEIGHT’. I’m sure she knows she’s overweight – god knows, it’s impossible to miss.

fannyfelcher · 24/10/2017 12:58

I cant believe nobody else has picked up on this but OP, by saying " you love my sister more than me" .... that is blatant manipulation to get her own way. Be totally honest, does it work? do these temper tantrums and nasty digs encourage you to cave in and give her what she wants? I know you say that your younger daughter is a lovely little girl but be careful that all the attention your eldest daughter gets doesn't impact your youngest. She could just be being quiet and well behaved as she sees how upsetting this behaviour is and with my sister ( when I was being the nightmare) her issues went very quietly un-noticed. She always felt totally over shadowed by me and our mothers relationship.

Teenagers are a nightmare to try and reach, I hate to consider what I put my family through when I was a messed up 15 year old. Good luck with it all.

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 24/10/2017 13:37

Tabsicle hi :) thankyou for sharing. It means alot. I am gentle, I always try and choose my words wisely. It's so difficult.
When I joined ed the gym I asked her as I said it could be me and her time also a friend of hers joined. I encourage sports/activities but she isn't interested.
fannyfelcher hi :) she is difficult when it comes to reasoning. She acts like a younger child. It's like she can't understand the reasons behind a decision where she doesn't get her own way. My youngest is far from pushed out. We spend time together, always. I understand what you are saying and can see how this can happen.
My 13 year old is very moody. Whereas my youngest will understand a reason for no my 13 year old will not. She says things like that all of the time and there is no reason for it as I treat them both equally.

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Vari757 · 24/10/2017 13:59

It's such a shame how a few lbs in your teens can affect your whole life later down the line. Thankfully I am slim and healthy size 10/12 now but not before a stint in my early 20s where size 6s hung off me due to my mothers harrasment in my teens. My mum was delighted though and would always take me shopping and parade me round the changing room like a doll.

Maybe try trendy ways to get healthy... like smoothies/ smoothie bowls etc are popular on instagram or doing an activity like cheerleading or yoga. Maybe consider letting her use a private instagram that you can have access too where she can post nice pics of healthy snacks that you have made together?

letsmargaritatime · 26/10/2017 18:24

Op you could be me! I feel your pain, I have four dc and three are skinny, one overweight. Her jealousy at the others affects their relationship which saddens me.

I am so sick of people who don’t have overweight dc telling me not to focus on the food, which is basically the same as saying let her have what she wants. She would be enormous if I didn’t limit her intake at all. So easy for them to say this when they aren’t watching a child get bigger before their eyes and be bullied because of it. Parents who don’t have overweight dc are the ones with the most “advice” Angry

I wish I had some good advice. Like you I tell all my dc they are beautiful and I love them everyday. I have found no magic solution I can share but I relate to everything you say and I
naively never thought I was the “sort of parent” who would have these issues Blush

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 26/10/2017 19:52

letsmargaritatime hello :) it's hard isn't it?
It's so so difficult to approach. You want your girls to be confident in their own bodies, of course. When you see somethi g out of control, we don't know which way to go about controlling it, for them.
I have tried Everything!
Yes, if I left my dd to eat what she liked, you would be shocked to hear what she thinks is acceptable.
I'm not skinny. It's not about carrying a bit of extra weight. It's about health. Self esteem. Being happy. Not emotionally eating.

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millifiori · 26/10/2017 20:02

Cupcakes - it really is a phase and it will pass. You have said how many lovely things you do togethe r- pamper nights and films etc - long term, that loving closeness will pay off in terms of both her confidence and your relationship.
It's worth remembering that she doesn't need to lose weight, just grow into her weight, height-wise, at her age. DS2 gets very chubby - he's naturally sedentary and loves to snack. I have been worried in the past. But instead of mentioning weight - ever - I focused on what different nutrients do for you - give energy/clear skin/make concentrating at school easier etc. And I started adding in a couple of exercise sessions together once a week - a swim and cycle ride. Or a long walk and talk.
Definitely agree that family health, rather than focusing on her specificially, is the way to go. One way is to add an extra veg to the plate, which sneakily reduces carb portion sizes. Instead of two veg put three, then reduce the amount of pasta or potato.
Can you keep some sweet treats in the house that are pretty low calorie - mini milk icecream sticks or yoghurt lollies are all between 35 cals and 80 cals but feel like a pudding or a treat.

Offred · 26/10/2017 20:04

Honestly I think two things jump out;

  1. She’s probably struggling with adolescence in many ways - increased freedom (to control what she eats, buy crap etc), increased impulsivity, cravings for high energy food, hormones, identity etc and has tendencies towards comfort eating which have turned into a vicious circle with the comforting eating leading to weight gain leading to shame, anxiety, depression and poor body image leading to comfort eating (and snappiness)
  1. You are worrying an awful lot about this and tiptoeing around it which is probably increasing her anxiety about it and also sending her unwitting messages that it is your responsibility to stop her eating crap and not her responsibility to use her new found indipendence wisely.

I recommend, rather than tiptoeing around the weight issue you try confronting it head on in a none emotional way. Providing healthy options (opportunity for exercise and no snack in house and healthy filling main meals), making sure she is educated about why teen bodies crave high energy foods, about how she can switch out snack for better options (sugar is a main thing to avoid) and then you simply just leave it to her to sort out and stop seeing it as an issue for you to get anxious about!

Joysmum · 26/10/2017 20:06

I struggle with my weight and my dh and dd are overweight too.

We all know what we should be eating and what we shouldn’t be.

Dh is overweight because he overeats, the food is more important than his size or health.

Dd and I use food. We do better when we feel in control of our lives and satisfied with our lives. It’s not about diet, or exercise, and we both live to cook from scratch. It’s our way of self medicating to either feel nothing, feel better, or punish ourselves. What’s been working for us is learning different life stregies to cope. It’s not about the food for us.

To my mind, there are many people who know the calorie content and nutrition if anything you cared to quiz them on and yet they can’t control their weight. I think it’s because society focusses on diet and fails to see why we can’t do the right thing enough of the time to be in equilibrium. It’s often more complicated than that.

Offred · 26/10/2017 20:10

And yes by none emotional I mean - facts about nutrition, acknowledgement that she is struggling with weight, that you understand it is tough etc avoiding making it all about being hysterical about ‘being fat’ and more about her thinking of things she can do to get the snacking under control... give her suggestions only and let her make the choice... remind her if she asks for crap at home that it isn’t healthy, download apps that show you where the majority of calories are coming from... my DS was shocked that two pop tarts contain almost as many calories as the (large) main meal I cook for him every night and that all the calories are empty sugar calories...

Brandnewstart · 26/10/2017 20:11

Would she have counselling? Most schools do it. My son has had two lots. One at primary when his dad left and again in Yr 8 because of friendship issues.
I had a job working with people to make healthier choices. It worked by making two small changes a week so it could be drinking 2 litres of water a day or including an extra portion of veg. Slow and steady is the way.
Would she use a Fitbit? Could you afford to get one her? It does help encourage you to walk more and maybe if she does a certain number of steps in a week, she could choose a bath bomb or something else not food related.
I was a teen that over ate and it did become a vicious circle. Mine was down to anxiety looking back so maybe look into mindfulness or meditation.
The only other thing I can think of is keeping her hands busy. Could you all take up knitting or make Xmas cards etc. I do it so I don't eat at night after my dinner!! There is a fab project turning pillowcases into dresses for little girls in Africa so if she is interested in helping others that could be a project to get involved in...
Sorry if this is all rubbish, just thinking off the top of my head!! I would say that a lot of kids and teens (mine included) don't drink enough and thirst is sometimes mistaken for hunger so the 2 litre challenge may be a good place to start x

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 26/10/2017 20:40

Thankyou all ;)
She wont eat veg at all! She wont eat anything nutritious. Do I make her? Do I say that's all there is? She would live on nuggets and crisps if she could.
I haven't looked onto counselling at school. Maybe, I could.
Since posting, I have tried to be more firm at tea times. Me and my youngest dd will have a plate full of veg and dd will think I'm being unfair as she only has meat and a bit of mash. Then hungry 30 mins later.
It's just exhausting. I never know when I'm doing the right thing!
Thankyou for all the kind words and advice :)

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 26/10/2017 20:41

Ps...Brandnewstart not rubbish at all. Thankyou! It means alot!

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Brandnewstart · 26/10/2017 21:04

Ah she probably is hungry if she isn't eating veg and then loading up on empty carbs. I think a dietician will help.
Would she eat sweetcorn? That seems to be the one veg everyone likes! Does she eat fruit?

WhoeverUWantMeToBe · 26/10/2017 22:31

Letsmargaritatime sorry you and your DD are also going through this.

As a person who is very firmly in the "shift the focus away from the weight issue" camp, I am absolutely NOT saying let her eat whatever she wants! I don't think any child or adolescent should be allowed eat whatever they want. I absolutely agree that as adults it's our responsibility to fill the house with healthy food, leave out chopped fruit/veg for snacking, model healthy eating behaviour, and restrict pocket money if we know it's all going to be spent on sweets.

All of the above can be done without focusing on anyone's weight.

However, while all that limits the damage that can be done in the short term, it doesn't fix the core problem.

Focusing on a compulsive eater's weight makes the core problem worse.

Speaking as someone who had similar issues to the OP's DD, and overcame them, I stand by my original advice. A person with a healthy, happy, active, balanced life and a good relationship with their body tends not to mindlessly overeat. If OP can help her (obviously not very happy at the moment) DD to become happier in general, develop healthy habits, incorporate exercise into her daily routine, and build a better relationship with her own body (all easier said than done, I know) her DD will begin to treat her own body better.

The focus should be on staying active for tangible non-weight related goals, like achieving a certain number of steps a day.

Focusing on the weight creates a vicious cycle. The more you hate your body, the more hopeless you feel, the more you overeat.

I'm not saying it's simple - it's a long, hard battle. And I understand if you want to snap at me as I'm handing out advice when I don't have a DD with disordered eating habits - but the OP did come on here looking for advice, and I have BEEN a DD with disordered eating habits.

OP, that must make it very difficult that she is a picky eater. As Brandnewstart said she must be hungry if she is not eating healthy food and the hunger will make her more likely to binge.

Does she object to trying new food altogether?

If she's willing to try new food, it might be time to get creative with cooking. Roasted cauliflower, mashed sweet potato, spiralized courgette with pesto & sundried tomato & toasted pine nuts... There's so many different ways to get your veggies.

She has a sweet tooth obviously, so if you could get her snacking on grapes, strawberries, raspberries in front of the TV instead of chocolate that'd be great. I know she would never choose them over sweets - but if there's no sweets in the house and she's offered a big bowl of fresh grapes and strawberries, maybe she'd reluctantly take it, and that'd be the first step towards her getting used to snacking on something other than chocolate.

When I have a sweet craving I tend to go for a bowl of chopped banana and apple with natural yohgurt. It sounds pretty simplistic and maybe your DD wouldnt be a fan, but it gives me a sufficient sugar rush to keep me away from rushing to the shop for a Galaxy!

It's incredibly difficult to change your disordered relationship with food and your DD definitely has a struggle ahead of her but IT CAN BE DONE. It absolutely can be done. I was your DD once (except bulimic to boot) and now I work out regularly, I walk at least 5k every day, I'm totally cheerful about my thick thighs and belly squish, I have a great relationship with food and my body, I still allow myself treats but my diet mainly consists of fruit, vegetables and healthy grains. I haven't binged and purged in eight years.

Your DD can get there. It will just take time. I really really hope things start to improve for you both soon (and for your and your DD letsmargaritatime)

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LaughingElliot · 27/10/2017 04:25

Removing the focus from food and weight is not at all the same as letting them eat whatever they want. Absurd leap there.

But trust me cupcakes your daughter knows you disapprove of her eating habits and her weight, and in her immaturity the only way she can strike back is to eat more.

Let’s be completely clear here. You have a problem, you disapprove of your daughter’s eating habits. Projecting that onto her with little comments and control mechanisms will only cause further damage.

You need to get clever here. Ignore the weight. Try to put aside your longing for a more perfect child and love her exactly as she is. I know you are going to protest that you already do but your disappointment on her is plain as day in your posts. It is not helping her.You would smart to get some counselling for yourself.

millifiori · 27/10/2017 11:48

LaughingElliot that's harsh. OP is concerned, not disappointed. She's asking for help, support and advice, not judgement.

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