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When ‘the spark’ is missing but the relationship is good...

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Blinkingecksake · 10/10/2017 16:42

Please give me some honest views. After an emotionally abusive long marriage, I’ll be darned if I know what a good relationship looks like. I have been with new partner for a year. He is a good man. Kind, honest, helpful, has his faults as do I. Sex is good. Kissing not so good. But..... for me there’s just not that ‘spark’, I don’t overly fancy him. I fancied my ex but he treated me terrribly. Can good relationships exist without a spark? Is it just that the honeymoon period is over? If I ended it I honestly don’t know if I’d be relieved or sad. I don’t like people getting close to me. He deserves better than this. The reasons I have range from petty (things about his physical appearance) to genuine, such as I can’t see how we could ever merge our families and live together. Much as I’m loving my independence since my divorce and separation, deep down I don’t want to always be on my own.

Sorry if this is garbled. I just don’t know how I should feel and am not very good at trusting what I do feel, having allowed myself to be talked into staying in an awful marriage for so long. My gut says this relationship isnt right for me but I can’t give any credible reason why not. He said it would devastate him if we ended, how can I do that to him with no decent reason? Help?!

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Blinkingecksake · 15/10/2017 14:42

Again thank you for such thoughtful replies, I feel like such an immature lost soul at the moment and you taking the time to try and help me see the wood from the trees is something I am so grateful for. I’ve read every word and reflecting on it all. I know nobody can tell me what to do but your thoughts are so helpful, thank you so much. Flowers

Bertie absolutely excellent article thank you so much for that - and your wise words too. Hipster too, thank you so much for helping me.

Sounding off here is so useful and such a godsend at the mo. I just feel so very sad at my lack of gut feeling, my lack of opinion, or lack of faith in any glimmer of any judgement I might start to feel because I’ve got things so wrong in the past. Being in the eye of the storm as someone described it is spot on, no headspace to get clarity.

I feel if I let him go I could be making a huge mistake that I will sorely regret, I do feel very sad to think he might not be part of my life, he’s so deeply involved in it. Overall though I’m a bit stuck on the fact that I don’t actually find him overly attractive - and that makes me feel horribly shallow (yet we have good sex, I really can’t work that one out). My ex was extremely good looking (I’m quite a visual person!) but Christ look where that got me. So my judgement there is very warped.

I definitely feel, as someone mentioned, I went from an abuser to a saver. In the beginning I found his strong and positive qualities, that were so opposite to my ex, so highly attractive. Now his constant need to improve my life with his advice is just doing my head in but I know he means well.

Regards his depression he did say very early on in the relationship that he was coming out of a bout of depression and given my ex’s past felt it was only fair I knew. But he said he’d only been depressed on 3 occasions in his life. I was so keen for it to work, I ignored the nagging doubt (red flag!) it gave me. He has also always been quite a heavy drinker which has bothered me, but after a recent chat, he has cut down drastically this past month. I maybe need to understand what has triggered this bout of depression. I just don’t know I can go there again but feel bad as he did tell me in the beginning. And he really isn’t like my ex. His mental health was very poor but he did nothing to look after himself or improve it, also attempted suicide.

At the beginning I acknowledged I didn’t really fancy him but found his values and qualities extremely attractive instead and I suppose I was hoping that was enough. He does all the stereotypical boyfriend things very well, treats, time away together, thoughtful gifts, he does have good qualities and it hurts me so much that I’m making him feel so bad about himself. I’ve said I’m not sure and he said he’ll give me time to think. But he’s totally blaming himself. That’s just not right or fair on him. He’s being mature and saying if I want to be with him, we’ll find a way to work through whatever problems there are, but if I don’t, he’ll walk away. And sometime I just think I don’t be fancy him enough!!

We both lead such busy lives, working, raising children, when we do see each other, it’s like we exist in a little bubble. I find it so hard fitting everything in.

Chip if you’re still reading, do you have a definite feeling you want to end things?
All I know is if it does finish, I need to do some serious work on myself. Can’t go through life hurting people.

Not really expecting anyone to wade through all this but it is helping me for sure!

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BertieBotts · 15/10/2017 15:36

With attraction - I did not find DH physically attractive before I began to fancy him in personality. Is v weird. And now we are married and have of course been together much longer, see him every day etc, there are moments when I look at him and think he has shit hair (or something) but there are moments when I look at him and think that is a seriously sexy man. I know he wouldn't win any beauty contests, but I still find him hot - if that makes sense? Which it probably doesn't, because it doesn't to me :o

Yes being attracted to a saver is defo a thing which happens - I call these guys kitten rescuers because they are attracted to women who are very vulnerable and offer all of the nurturing, sensitive, caring, saving things that she's looking for and promise her safety and warmth etc. But then when she recovers from whatever it was which made her vulnerable and grows in confidence and strength into a full grown cat who wants her independence and own territory etc the kitten-rescuer guy gets all pouty and sad and offended that she doesn't "need" him any more. It changes the dynamic of the relationship and he quite often becomes manipulative and controlling.

(Comes from an Ani Difranco song - Not a Pretty Girl. The lyric goes "I aint no damsel in distress, and I don't need to be rescued [...] isn't there a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere? [for you to rescue instead] [then much later] Don't you think that kitten would have figured out how to get down, whether or not you ever showed up?")

I don't know if your guy is a kitten rescuer or whether you just needed something safe and now don't need the safety any more, or whether it's something else, or even just a blip.

How about this thought experiment - if you broke up or weren't with him, how would you envisage the perfect relationship for you right now? How much time would you spend together, what kinds of things would you do, how much sex would you have, what would your long term plans be, what would he look like, how much involvement with your kids, etc etc - just only from your terms. Then come back to reality and see if your guy matches up.

Blinkingecksake · 15/10/2017 21:39

Thanks Bertie. You make perfect sense. Always do! That analogy is very good, Parts of it could apply to us. But he’s saying all the right things at the mo, ie take whatever space and time I need to figure out what I want then let’s talk.

I’m definitely going to do what you’ve suggested, I used to shy away from that perfection list idea because I used to fantasise about the perfect life when I was so unhappily married. And no one can match up to the scenarios I used to imagine in ‘my new life’. However, a realistic list of my desires and wants should really help me here - again thank you Flowers

One day I am going to be fully sorted and hopefully in a position to come back and post to help others the way you wonderful lot are helping me Smile

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Justaboy · 15/10/2017 22:33

In a wiser society, prospective partners would put each other through detailed psychological questionnaires and send themselves off to be assessed at length by teams of psychologists. By 2100, this will no longer sound like a joke. The mystery will be why it took humanity so long to get to this point.

There you go then just set up a psych dating agency and all will be well:)

Or as well as it ever is likely to be;!

Blinkingecksake · 15/10/2017 22:45

Ta-dah! Niche in the market?!!! Grin I might try it haha! Loved the article tho!

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LellyMcKelly · 15/10/2017 23:39

If you feel something is missing then it's missing. If you don't find him, on some level, physically attractive, then at a year in I'd let him go. I met my DP OL two years ago after a fun few months. He's as bald as a coot, and has a middle aged paunch, but all I can see is his amazing eyes, cheeky grin, massive hands, and county champion swimmer's shoulders, and I think I've hit the knicker melting jackpot. You are allowed to want the jackpot (whatever it is for you).

CoyoteCafe · 16/10/2017 03:05

All I know is if it does finish, I need to do some serious work on myself. Can’t go through life hurting people.

I don't understand this statement. Why would you need to do serious work on yourself for breaking up with a boyfriend? That's what people do -- they go out, they get to know each other, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

If you break up with him, you aren't guilty of anything. It doesn't make you a bad person.

Blinkingecksake · 16/10/2017 12:05

I suppose I feel that way because all through life I have pretty much got into a relationship with anyone who has shown an interest in me, whether I feel anything or not. Low self-esteem to blame. This has led to me ending relationships anything between 6 months to 18 months and leaving the other person quite devastated as they thought it was okay. Deep down I’ve known those relationships were not okay for me but went along with it till I just couldn’t anymore. That’s what I mean by sort myself out, I shouldn’t do that to people. I should have the confidence to only date people I genuinely feel attracted to. But because I doubt my own judgement I go along with it but I don’t like myself for it.

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ravenmum · 16/10/2017 13:31

Stop thinking of that as something you "do". It's something you have done, but that doesn't make it a permanent feature. In a vicious circle, your low self-esteem is making you feel bad about having low self-esteem. You're going to have to break out of that by making a deliberate effort not to blame yourself! One thing you can start out with is remembering that it really is absolutely normal to break up with people. What exactly makes your reason worse than anyone else's?

Counselling is really good. And look into your health - might you have a health issue that leaves you permanently a little bit tired / down? Intolerance to a certain ingredient, iron deficiency, sleep apnoea, depression, overweight/underweight, not getting enough exercise/Vit D? You might be able to take some steps to improve your self-esteem and break the pattern.

CoyoteCafe · 16/10/2017 15:16

I thought you were married for 20 years to some one who was abusive. I thought this was your first relationship since then. I don’t understand how that fits into your pattern.

To me, it sounds like you have a pattern of staying in relationships that don’t work for you,

Blinkingecksake · 16/10/2017 15:57

Thank you ravensmum. I do need to change my thinking and hoping hoping to find a good counsellor who can help me, particularly thinking of CBT to change some of my skewed thinking. And I could definitely make changes to look after myself a bit better, I work full time, have the children most of the time and don’t eat or sleep particularly well or enough to be honest.

Coyote I agree I do get into the wrong relationships and stay in them too long. This is indeed my first relationship since my abusive marriage ended. Mostly was continuous emotional abuse, DH suicide attempts but mostly to keep me with him, one incident of DV, extreme passive aggressiveness ie would totally ignore me for months on end, lots of other stuff that I hope I’ve dealt with. Was with him for 20 years total, married for 15. Am well into my forties, the previous relationships I mentioned earlier were before I met my ex husband, been dating since I was 16 so that’s how it all pieces together.

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Blinkingecksake · 16/10/2017 16:10

Thanks LellyMcKelly too for your reply. Knickers melting jackpot - I love that!!! I love the way you’ve described your DP, I guess I was hoping good qualities in my boyfriend would mean that attraction would grow. My ex was very attractive but an arse. I don’t think I’m after perfection but I agree there has to be something that sets the butterflies off a bit I think.

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ravenmum · 16/10/2017 16:30

Well, sometimes attraction does grow as you get to know someone. I don't think it's a bad thing to be attracted mentally to someone's good qualities/character and wait to see if an emotional attraction develops.

I'm with someone who's meant to be a casual relationship :) he's balding and unfit like guy described earlier, but as I've got to know him and his many good points I've found him more and more physically attractive. I doubt I'd still be with him now after almost ten months if I hadn't found anything attractive, though - there has to be something you can at least see might potentially tug at your heartstrings, you know? A facial expression or broad shoulders or whatever.

Blinkingecksake · 21/10/2017 12:23

That’s a nice way to be ravensmum I think an attraction that grows over time has a more solid foundation if you know what I mean.

I thought long and hard and have ended the relationship. I feel absolutely awful, he is devastated. But, it wasn’t right for me and I couldn’t see a future for us. I could have muddled along because he can be good company but I know that’s not the right way to treat him, he deserves better and I can only hope he sees that in time. I feel truly awful for making him feel this way. But, in my heart I know I’m doing the right thing I just have to stay strong. Thanks for all the support you’ve shown me on here, it’s really helped Flowers

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CoyoteCafe · 21/10/2017 12:43

Good for you!

Let it go, being broken up with is one of the risk of dating. Enjoy your life. 😊

GreyOwls · 21/10/2017 13:11

Blinkingecksake Flowers Dont feel bad, you did the decent thing in ending the relationship. It will be hard for both of yiu but that’s how it goes.

I’m very similar to you in age and circumstances and Ive recently met a man who is knicker droppingly sexy AND kind AND funny/intelligent. They are out there and worth waiting for.

Good luck finding a new councellor and enjoying your single status. Regarding your sekf-esteme, fake it til you make it. Sounds trite but it works.

Blinkingecksake · 21/10/2017 16:27

Thank you. I feel awful but he deserves so much more than someone who hasn’t got the guts to break it off. It was a heavy and intense relationship and I feel so terrible for hurting him. But I know it’s the right thing.

Greyowls it’s good to hear the real thing can happen! I just feel I want to be single now for a considerable period, concentrate on getting to know myself, build my confidence, put more into my friendships and focus on my lovely children. And learn to not have relationships unless it feels totally right!!

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GreyOwls · 21/10/2017 21:08

It’s a normal response to feel hurt and sad when finishing a relationship. Do you feel relieved though? If so, it was the right move.

Enjoy learning about yourself free from the burden of angst and his emotional issues and take this time to build a solid foundation of healthy friendships and passtimes. These will put you in the right place to establish a great relashionship when the right person comes along.

Good luck!

Blinkingecksake · 22/10/2017 19:39

Thanks greyowls, I do feel relieved and know deep down it’s the right thing. I just feel so down and sad that I’ve hurt him.

It wasn’t terrible, I could have carried on and saved him hurt but it would have come eventually and that’s dishonest. He’s taken it so very badly and isn’t doing well, it’s horrible knowing I’ve caused that. He’s a very emotional person and I can’t make it better. Steering clear of relationships for a long time now. Thanks again to everyone who posted and helped.

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CoyoteCafe · 23/10/2017 01:37

Honestly, good riddance. He's a grown man, not an adolescent. How do you know that he is taking it badly and isn't doing well? Is he still trying to emotionally manipulate you?

You are not responsible for his emotional state. You are not the reason he "isn't doing well." The fact that he is an emotional mess is part of why ending the relationship was a good idea. You didn't cause him to be a mess. He was already a mess when you met him.

Intomyarms · 23/10/2017 01:43

Been in both the positions you have
Shit relationship with wanker but spark.
Good relationship with lovely lovely man but no spark

This and I settled. I really wish I hadn't.

HipsterAssassin · 23/10/2017 10:13

Ah well done OP. You have done the right thing. Leave him to his emotional mess. It comes with the territory. Time to build a new relationship with you.

Getting out of a wrong relationship means you are already one step closer to finding a combo of knicker-meltingly gorgeous plus lovely person. This is the first in a line of good deeds to yourself. Go you Flowers

ravenmum · 23/10/2017 10:26

Well done; you've given both of you the chance to grow and learn to be strong and single, and eventually to find someone that you really get on with well, if you so desire. He might actually appreciate that himself one day.

Blinkingecksake · 23/10/2017 12:15

Thanks everyone. Ravensmum that’s exactly what’s getting me through - he generally normally has quite a high level of respect for himself, I think, even though I was raising concerns, for whatever reason he thought he could talk me round and because he couldn’t it came as a shock. Once the shock is over, I do think he’ll realise he’s better off with someone, when he’s ready, that loves him totally. I like to think he wouldn’t want to be with anyone who was with him out of pity or because they were settling.

Hipster - a new relationship with me. I love that phrase! That’s exactly where I’m at. When I look back, I think although I said I wasn’t bothered about being single after my divorce, I think on the back of my awful marriage, I did seek a relationship, someone to prove my worth, though I didn’t realise it at the time.

Now I can honestly say, I’ve ticked that off the list and just want to be me, explore what I’m about and enjoy being a mum and being with friends. I don’t want a relationship for the foreseeable and when I do, I’ll know.

Coyote - Yes emotional manipulation I think Hmm Tho it’s stopped now thankfully. I like to think it was irrational because he was hurting rather than anything deliberately unkind. I do tend to try and see the good in everyone, doesn’t always pay off mind you!

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