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Divorce - am I doing the right thing?

18 replies

thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 09:18

Hi

These are past threads about what has been happening to me:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2856567-What-would-you-assume-if-your-husband-wife-partner-hadnt-spoken-to-you-properly-since-October-and-before-that-hadnt-shown-you-any-affection-for-years

And:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2975797-Why-is-my-husband-ignoring-me-when-I-say-that-I-want-to-separate-and-get-divorced

The upshot of all of this is that H has known that I want to get divorced for two months now. We are estranged but living in the same house in silence. He used to do the not talking to me for weeks at a time thing after massively overreacting to incidents or things that I said. I used to, after weeks of living in anxiety, send him an email asking him to speak, he would then start talking again but the argument would never be discussed. After the last incident last October, I detached. It was really hard at first but I am in a much better place now in that I no longer have constant butterflies in my stomach. I feel really sad about losing the good things about H, and about our family being forced to separate though.

Just over two months ago I sent H a long email saying about our needing to separate. He basically laughed sarcastically and told me to “carry on”. He said that another time as well and when I said that there was nothing else I could do, he told me to “grow up”. I then sent him another email reiterating the same. Both emails mentioned mediation, the second one also that I would be happy to try to work on the relationship if he wanted to (we went to counselling about 5 years ago but he stopped coming after about 5 sessions). He has ignored all of this. I then went to see a solicitor who sent him an email saying that the marriage is over and suggesting mediation. He ignored that. About a week after that she sent him another one reminding him of the first – he ignored that. We have now drafted my divorce petition and about 10 days ago she sent him a draft copy of that asking him if he wanted to make any changes and suggesting he engage a solicitor. Also stressing that I am up for a non-confrontational and sensible approach to things. Nothing from H.

SO

She is now going to file the petition and send him an email saying that that is what is happening. At this point I am quite scared. I think that H is very good at burying his head in the sand until things come right up to him, and this will now start to press his buttons. It is made worse by the fact that I am probably also going to make an application for a financial order, as, based on the H’s above ignoring of everything, the solicitor thinks it is safest. Also due to the fact that H has in the past hidden a property for almost a year, and that he now has two properties on the market, one of which I think is about to complete. In fact one of her emails asked him to put the proceeds of any sales into a joint account or with a solicitor pending the divorce outcome. I think it is this which has made him really hurry along the completion, and of course he has no intention of doing what she said. She thinks that the court will waive the necessity for mediation due to the urgent nature of the situation in terms of his possibly spending the money from the sale on we don’t know what.

So that’s the basic situation – that he will soon be served (by post in the first instance) with a divorce petition, and shortly after, also with a financial order.

[FAINTS]

Is this the right thing to do? Not least because my financial future might now be decided by a judge who might leave me with very little? The solicitor says that most people settle before the final hearing, but might my H be one of the mad few who go to the bitter end? What am I letting myself in for?

I am too scared to talk about any of this to H at home as things are only (kind of) functioning because there aren’t massive shouting sessions between us, and though I hate the silent atmosphere for the kids’ sake, it is better than an all out war. He will also destroy me emotionally with a few words, and I need to hang on to any strength that I have. I am sure that he will also have such a hugely different idea to me of what is “fair” and to be honest I don’t want to go there.

The other thing which is bothering me is that, ever since my solicitor sent H her first email, he has ceased the shouting he used to do. One of the reasons I have wanted to separate is H’s cyclically short tempered and critical nature – the walking on eggshells (especially at weekends). That has kind of stopped in my regard though. Either because of the email from the solicitor, or because I am now DEAD to him. (The other reasons for the divorce are to do with his complete lack of affection for me, and the fact that he is in financial control – only his name on the family property, a secret property in the past, the current two properties for sale not mentioned to me (though he would argue that we have been estranged so why would he), discussing prospective family cars only with the kids, no joint plans for the future, my feeling insecure…..) So I am now seeing him being an affectionate Dad (he sometimes gets angry/unreasonable with them, but generally he is lovely), working hard and trying to live his life (all the while ignoring me). And I know that he will pretend that any divorce is all my fault. I also wonder why I want to divorce someone who does have good things about them: works hard, loves the kids, is trying to cope with daily life.

Am I right to want to separate?

Is the financial order a bad idea?

Having to maintain this strong and frosty exterior to get through all of this, I am starting to feel like a horrible person.

I am starting to feel that I should give up this "nonsense" and get on with trying to get a better job (something I want to do) and looking after my family. It's difficult because H doesn't say anything so I have no idea what he wants or what he is planning. I do know that he tends to deal with difficult things only when absolutely forced to though. I heard him telling someone on the phone that if he thought about something now he would "drown". I don't know if he was talking about the situation between us. He will take is as a legal and financial assault on him, not as a long suffered relationship breakdown Sad.

What do I do?

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Whataboutmeee · 21/08/2017 09:57

Don't doubt yourself now. You cannot live like that and neither can your children.

He is not a lovely dad as he is ignoring his children's mother. How must that feel to them?

I have had a messy divorce which went to final hearing and it was horrible I'm afraid so I understand your concerns but what other choice do you have?

thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 09:58

Basically, I suppose I would like to know if the financial order is a bad idea and will really makes things a lot harder and, is it normal to feel as if this whole thing is completely surreal and that I am doing the wrong thing? Going against the family status quo and breaking things up. As if all the reasons I was so unhappy before are completely invalid and I should put up with them Confused?

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thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 10:00

Sorry it went to a final hearing whataboutmeee Sad. Did you get what was fair / what you wanted / what you needed?

I guess that H would argue that I am not talking to him either. But there is no point because he hardly answers and says nothing generally Confused.

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thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 10:03

Does a financial order generally mean that it will end up as a final hearing [shocked]? The solicitor says not, but maybe she is trying to put a not so bad spin on it.

It would be easier to run away.

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thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 10:03

Should have been Shock.

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Whataboutmeee · 21/08/2017 10:10

It went to a final hearing as we just could not agree and were miles apart up until the very morning. I think it was a fair settlement for me in the main although ex was furious and still is three years on.

thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 10:14

I am glad it was fair Whatabout. I guess exes being furious is par for the course. I am sure my H will feel completely hard done by whatever happens. Which is probably why he has hidden things in the past and may be doing so now as well.

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ravenmum · 21/08/2017 10:15

If we were only able to divorce people who were 100% certified James Bond villains then the divorce rate would be a lot lower.

If he wants to think the divorce is your fault or that you are a money grabber, he will think that, whatever you do or say. Do what the law says you can do, get what the law says you can get. Then you will know that you are doing what any normal law-abiding person would do.

Fortunately, in the modern world we are not forced to live in marriages which make us unhappy because someone else thinks we should stay: if we want to go, we can go. Aren't we lucky to live in these times?

aginghippy · 21/08/2017 10:16

Your solicitor is giving you good advice. Getting a financial order is a normal part of the divorce process. It will prevent you having problems in the future.

PickAChew · 21/08/2017 10:20

Deciding to waste the rest of your life with such an arse (I remember your threads) would emphatically not be the right thing.

You need to think long term. Think about what 5 years time might look like. Divorcing him is guaranteed not to be plain sailing but that would all be behind you in 5 years, living a new life free of his oppressive moods.

PickAChew · 21/08/2017 10:31

I did the same as you with my ex, btw. I just had to stop engaging because verbally he would run rings around me. Self preservation.

OverOn · 21/08/2017 10:52

You need to look after yourself financially here, for the children's sake if nothing else. You ending up with a poor financial settlement won't only affect you - it will affect your DC in how you can house them, support them when they are older (e.g. AIf you have to downsize to a small place, they might not be able to live/stay with you as young adults).

If he is selling a house now, you need to act to stop him hiding the money. Isn't there something legal you can do so he can't pocket the profits from the sale of the property? I've heard of people putting something on the deeds so it can't be sold without agreement from the other party.

Absolutely go for the financial settlement in conjunction with the divorce. You will have to do it at some point, so do it now and get it over and done with.

With your doubts about whether divorce is the right thing - can you really imagine living out the rest of your life like this? A man who ignores you until he gets his way - just imagine what he would be like if you gave up on the divorce now. He'll know that you will give in no matter how he treats you. You deserve to be treated with respect, and more importantly, with love. His actions here are not loving.

Hermonie2016 · 21/08/2017 11:42

I posted on your previous thread as similar situation.

I am now in the court process and it was unavoidable as ex highly unreasonable.I suspect it may go to final hearing as ex will not take advice even from his legal team.
Ex has hidden income and lied at every stage in the process.It has shocked me that he is prepared to lie on court submitted documents however shows me what sort of person he has become.

Like you I have questioned everything I have done but the reality was his behaviour was getting worse. The more my eyes were opened to it made it impossible to turn a blind eye.I also believe I was having phyiscal issues as a result of the stress of living with him.
I don't deny that the divorce is so stressful at times and he has done everything to make life tough for me.However I know there is light at the end, maybe 6 months if it's final hearing.

The legal costs are high and I regret this but it's essential given he won't be reasonable.

You are not responsible for his behaviour, and should not feel guilty.You have suggested you work on the marriage but he only wants a marriage where you don't really exist as a person.

It's actually a sign of strength that you have decided the marriage cannot continue.At any stage your ex could stop the process or he could make a fair offer so court not needed.

He will however be reacting strongly to you taking back some power.He will find that completely unreasonable which is why he may go on the offensive.Just be prepared for it and surround yourself with support.

My family have struggled to understand why ex is so aggressive, it makes no sense as abuse is not rational.
You may never understand why he is behaving the way he is but all you can do is protect yourself.

JK1773 · 21/08/2017 14:10

Family lawyer here. Yours is giving you the right advice. Let her guide you through the process. She's absolutely right to get it into court quickly to freeze the sale proceeds. Don't carry on in this half life, you deserve better. Most cases don't go to final hearing, although some do and usually when one of the parties is being totally ridiculous. Hopefully the penny will drop and he'll reach an agreement with you.

Cambionome · 21/08/2017 14:23

You are definitely right to want to leave him. He sounds absolutely vile - a selfish, controlling, lying shit not to put too fine a point on it!

thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 21:52

Thanks for all your messages.

Aren't we lucky to live in these times?

Yes I really think we are!

Getting a financial order is a normal part of the divorce process.

Yes am trying to get my head round that!

I did the same as you with my ex, btw. I just had to stop engaging because verbally he would run rings around me.

It makes me feel better to think about my silences in that way - as self protection.

just imagine what he would be like if you gave up on the divorce now.

Yes I agree. It would be awful as there would be no big heart to heart or coming back together and trying to understand.

I am sorry you are going through the same Hermonie. I remember you from my other thread. I hope you feel better soon.

Family lawyer here. Yours is giving you the right advice.

Thanks for your reassurance. Yes I hope H isn't one of the totally ridiculous ones. I am worried though - he is already divorced once and bitter about what he lost then. I guess only time will tell.

He sounds absolutely vile

He has a nice side and and a not nice side. I have found a lot of his behaviour towards me difficult. There are definitely grounds for divorce but he is also has lots of nice things about him. He just doesn't love me I think. Or want to engage in a proper relationship where there is compromise and both people express what they need.

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thefalloutwillbeawful · 21/08/2017 22:07

I might be posting on here again as the email telling H about the petition and the financial order is going to him tomorrow.

Followed by the two envelopes arriving here Shock.

I really don't know how I am going to handle all of this.

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OverOn · 21/08/2017 22:58

You'll handle it, keep posting here for for support.

Keep thinking of the longer term - this will all be behind you and you'll be getting on with your life. No more worrying about upsetting the ex, no tip-toeing around him, no more silent treatment.

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