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Abused Or Abuser

56 replies

Howdydoodee · 15/08/2017 14:08

Just that really? Have you ever wondered if you are the abuser or the abused?

OP posts:
Offred · 18/08/2017 13:08

Get out it will be better.

He mostly can't affect me now.

Offred · 18/08/2017 13:11

Most of my frustrations where that I was being left to handle everything and I spent years trying to 'help' him be more confident, secure and competent and asking him to talk to me/go out more/if he wanted to cut back on work and do a masters, then about a year just leaving him to do what he wanted and then I went.

Offred · 18/08/2017 13:15

Mainly now I'm amused by how gullible people are to still be buying the 'my wife left me and I'm sad' act FOUR YEARS after I left... he's still really bitter and TBH I think he did me a favour re the friends cos if it was me I would have definitely started thinking there was something wrong with him for being no further forward emotionally than the day I left... people seem to tolerate this from men for some reason.

He's always telling the children how angry and sad he is with me and how he'll never ever be with anyone else ever again Hmm

Offred · 18/08/2017 13:17

His narrative is one of being put upon.

Put upon by the controlling overbearing wife who nagged him. Put upon by me leaving. Put upon by his work. Put upon by having children.... 💤

MeMeMeMe123 · 18/08/2017 14:12

Off good to read about your experiences (not that you had them though!)

In my marriage exDH wore the trousers although i was outwardly the more 'confident' one. It was his way or the highway and he had a very skewed view of relationships, based on his childhood and immediate family.

The thing i struggle with is that we had differing conflict management styles. I preferred to face things and debate or discuss. He preferred to stonewall and ignore/bury his head/huff. He claimed that my conflict styles had him walking on eggshells - that stopped me in my tracks.

I think he was implying that i was abusive to him - and that bothers me. Perhaps i was.

I know i spent years in counselling and therapy to learn how to cope with my life and the decisions i had made. I even looked for sources of support for ex as the spouse of someone suffering from anxiety.

Either his attitude is typical of a PA personality, in that its everyone else's fault how he feels (he did have a big issue with accepting responsibility generally) or i really was abusive.

It upsets me tbh as i am trying to accept myself and like myself again and i cant with this hanging over me. I know his truth neednt be mine but its still there and it still hurts.

Any advice?

Offred · 18/08/2017 15:07

How long is it since you broke up?

MeMeMeMe123 · 18/08/2017 17:55

2 years.. yeah i know i should be further on my journey by now. in some ways i am.

Offred · 18/08/2017 19:53

2 years is not very long to fully deal with the effects of mind fuckery.

I think maybe you should go back to basics. One of the effects of being in a relationship like this is it shifts your reality to an abusive one. You can't really expect to 'get over it'.

If you aren't shifted enough back to reality to feel good about yourself I would try and distract yourself from obsessing over that one thing and actually more generally focus on building yourself back up.

Building yourself up will eventually get you to a place where you understand things through a lens of reality (rather than abuse).

It's cheesy but I leave notes for myself on a whiteboard in my house and if I am feeling bad I go and read them and focus on them. I read them casually as I pass and I know they are there. Also when I'm feeling particularly bad I remember to give a 'gift' to myself every week. It can be something small like a glass of wine in the bath or something big (I bought an Apple Watch one week) but always it must be something that is just for you.

I've attached a pic of my board with my phrases and a funny meme from tinterweb which also works, in case you want to steal them. 😊

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Offred · 18/08/2017 19:59

(If it was more time then I'd have said go to work on it with the help of a therapist - you could do this anyway, but 2 years is no time at all and it sounds like you've done loads of great work on moving forward but have just got stuck on that one thing. Whilst I'm sure it is frustrating for you, I'm sure you should realise that 2 years is a really short time to expect you will be fully over abuse. Be kind to yourself, as kind as the abuser expected you to be to him)

MeMeMeMe123 · 18/08/2017 20:10

Thank you so much off
Kindness will always win through. I really appreciate your perspective.

I've written a wellbeing wheel/mindmap and stuck it on my fridge.... Perhaps I'm further on than I think Halo

Offred · 18/08/2017 20:12

You absolutely are.

How it reads to me is you've got to the stage where you are nearly there (in 2 years!!! Go you!!) and have got stuck on this one thing and frustrated and therefore a bit lazy in your work on you so you just want it to be better but are holding yourself back by expecting too much of yourself!

FoofFighter · 18/08/2017 20:15

He made out after I left that he was the one being mistreated, and sadly some people fell for it.

He often made me feel I was losing my mind.

I think it's a common thing for an abuser to imply that it was indeed you not they. Shame on people for falling for it Sad

Offred · 18/08/2017 20:17

To be very clear, what I find amusing is that everyone I used to be friends with seems to think it is ok for H to be no further forward (at all, not even a day) than the day I left after 4 YEARS....

That would be ringing alarm bells if I were them because of course he is further forward, he's just playing the victim.

Offred · 18/08/2017 20:18

It really is a blessing in disguise though too...

They aren't people equipped to deal with supporting you so it is good they aren't your friends.

FoofFighter · 18/08/2017 20:22

Offred

Reading the whole thread properly now, you could be talking about my ex.

So good to see others who get it. I wish I could explain it to people like you have.

Offred · 18/08/2017 20:28

Unfortunately, my ability to explain it comes from an abusive childhood followed by every single relationship I have ever had being abusive and, it seems, a complete inability to pick a man who isn't abusive!

NearlyFree17 · 18/08/2017 21:00

Offred every single line on your board resonates with me. Thank you.

Why did no one teach me to listen to my anger and understand what it was telling me. Instead I was taught that anger was bad and I was being unreasonable. That kept me trapped in an abusive relationship for 20 years as I thought that I was the bad one.

MeMeMeMe123 · 18/08/2017 23:02

Bingo off I am expecting too much of myself!

When I focus on him my precious energy is wasted. I need to look into my life and where I want to be.

Essentially I'm trying to comprehend the incomprehensible. I can't be inside his head. None of us can.

We must forgive ourselves our shame and guilt, for being duped, for being trusting and, in my case, having too low boundaries.

These experiences can teach us so much, teach us to accept the pain, acknowledge the distress but not be consumed by it.

Peace Flowers

EasyToEatTiger · 18/08/2017 23:11

I really thought that when I met my husband I had met someone special. I too had a crap childhood marred by a mad bullying dad. The signs were there from the beginning. The way he spoke about his at the time wife, the things he said about how she behaved towards him, the complaints he made about her... When he told me he did everything alone ( I think I could include sex in this). His lack of regard for me sexually. He wouldn't do any tests for stds, hated using condoms, and when I eventually clammed up altogether, he blamed me squarely for it and said his behaviour was showing affection. I don't know, but I really think most women would prefer not to be used as a materbatory tool.

Several years ago I took my daughter to the gp about her behaviour, and it was then that I wondered really if it was my fault. Any suggestion of separation or divorce, until now has been met with name calling and derision. He is not worth hating. He is too pathetic for that.

StaplesCorner · 18/08/2017 23:39

gin I've gone back through your posts and you are basically me. Or rather my H is your ex. That is uncanny, even down to the health stuff and him choosing to stay up late as he has nothing to get up for. Then its my fault as I've had plenty of sleep and he's exhausted. How was he when you told him it was over?

dangermouseisace · 18/08/2017 23:52

Yes.

Most things aren't black and white, and people don't always act in ways that fit neatly into a box. We all do things that we are ashamed of.

I'm getting professional help, and when it is pointed out STBXH was/is abusive I can't help pointing out that actually, I'm no bloody saint either.

WellThisIsShit · 18/08/2017 23:53

Offred yup, yup and thrice yup! To thread of abusive relationships from birth onwards, and to your board and beyond.

And to all the posters on anger. One of the key things I'm determined to teach my child is how to feel, & deal with 'bad' feelings. Which is tricky when all you've ever been taught is guilt, shame and that you never, ever have any right to feel anger or show anger. Ever.

So I know that's wrong and harmful. But what's in the place of that terrible teaching?! I feel like I'm learning it together with my child sometimes.

I seem to be tuned into the 'right' way to react when it comes to my darling boys feelings (mainly, not always though). So I try and catch myself doing stuff so I can learn from it myself. Eg. When DS gets very stressed and explodes, it's usually been coming for a while and isn't because he wants to upset someone, and I don't ever feel hurt by him, because I can see him struggling to deal with these huge and out of control feelings that are big and scary. So I help him by just being with him, quietly, and reassuring when I think he's calmed down enough to hear me 'it's ok to feel angry/ frustrated/ whatever, everybody feels x sometimes' or maybe 'it's horrid to feel x isn't it, poor you'.

Then after we talk about what happened, and what started it and what he could do to help feel better next time. His big thing is not daring to tell people he wants to be on his own so he gets more and more wound up until he can't control it anymore, so we practise saying 'I need to be on my own for a few minutes now please'. And it really works! And if he's got to boiling point already, we have a few things to take out the anger that I can suggest, or he now starts to do himself without promoting eg running up and down the corridor, or jumping up and down on the spot (& on my bed but I pretend I don't know that!), and playing drums.

I learn from his suggestions too, like shaking your hands and arms like you're shaking yourself dry... it works well for me!

But I digress, basically I really hope I raise a person who can name, feel and accept their own feelings. And hear what your feelings are telling you...

The other thing I'm learning is how to refuse to take on other people's feelings. I was taught to be a big dustbin for other people's feelings... they could vomit up their revolting nastiness and give it all to me, and I'd have to take it. Then soothe and solve their feelings for them. It's how I got groomed into letting people abuse me. And it's a massive revelation to know I don't have to take what people shove at me.

This rubbish bin is closed!

It's hard though. And I'm so so lonely. I hope some day I am brace enough to start looking for another relationship. And that I am capable of a healthy relationship... I'm so very lonely and can't bear the idea of living my whole life unloved and uncared for. But I don't think I know how to do it.

And I don't have any strength left to cope with any more abuse. I can't even get divorced cos I'm too scared of contacting Him again. I can't have him anywhere in my life because he encroaches on everything, it's really all or nothing. And I'm still seeing the damage he did to DS.

Ugh. It's all so fucked up. Why do humans have to be so complicated? And so reliant on others? I wish we came programmed with some kind of immunity to the damage others do to us, like abusive parents, abusive partners etc.

It seems so bloody unfair that we need to have good relationships in order to have more good relationships...

Heebejeebees · 19/08/2017 00:01

Read you OP, but Have not read the thread.

My dad was abusive. Drunk, violent etc.

My recent past relationship I was told I was abusive. What I was, was very honest and angry when he fucked up. I put up with him fucking up which made me more angry and intolerant. He says I was abusive, yes factually I was. However it stemmed from him being a gas lighting, cheating, liar. It lit the flame to my anger. I didn't walk away immediately as I was used to abusive relationships. To anyone on the outside I was the shouty one. But he was the one who manipulated me, sent me crazy with lies. Awful mix frankly! But sometimes it's not black and white. Very happy, still very honest, and in a non abusive relationship now, as I think he is!

Offred · 19/08/2017 09:59

I'm the bin for everyone's shit too!

I've also had the thing about feeling angry being bad and trying to teach my kids to be feelings people. Two of them are like that naturally, one has ASD and the other has definite ASD traits so they find feelings hard but my ten year old ASD DD is a fabulous artist, i first suggested doing feelings pictures when she was 4 and she's just run with it, she started writing (amazing) feelings poems yesterday too. My DTS who is 7 I've been trying to encourage to write short stories.

DJBaggySmalls · 19/08/2017 10:05

An abuser is not interested in you, only themselves.

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