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Any one had a relationship with a Sociopath / psychopath

65 replies

Ishouldhaveknown · 26/07/2017 18:28

I think i have.

Only 5 weeks out so still looking for answers / trying to figure things out in my own mind, just looking for someone to talk to really :-(

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DrMorbius · 26/07/2017 21:12

Spot on limited

Ishouldhaveknown · 26/07/2017 23:28

Just had a long call with a mutual friend. Not sure if it's helped tbh.

Yes I'm still in touch, low contact though. he's started seeing a therapist, the lying is due to low self worth, not thinking people will like the real him. He's also going through GP for support with depression.

Would he be jumping through theses hoops if it was a personality disorder?

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Ishouldhaveknown · 26/07/2017 23:31

He's not responded with anger, fully accepts that it's his wrong doing, claims to be sorry... but what if this is all part of the manipluation. I honestly don't know which way is up as the moment.

This would be a lot easier if i didn't love him and life hadn't been so good...

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Ishouldhaveknown · 26/07/2017 23:34

Kingfisher - can totally relate to that lie... sometimes I'm thinking well that obviously isn't true. But the ones I spotted were small things that didn't matter to me... Just white lies to make him seem more exciting... he though he needed to embellish to be liked

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AtSea1979 · 26/07/2017 23:37

When you say psychopath I'm guessing you are generalising and meaning narcissist/sociopath. That's very common.
There are not many people with true psychopath disorder. Thank god.

Ishouldhaveknown · 26/07/2017 23:46

Atsea yes, more personality disorder in general

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Scaredsleeper · 27/07/2017 00:42

OP I could have written your post and updates around Christmas time. My ex is very similar and I was told the same things you are being told now - and he went and did it again.
With these personalities they 'learn' what works and what doesn't to draw you back in. So when you refuse to engage because they are behaving a certain way - for example denial of infidelity, they will then say OK hands up I did it, I'm sorry, I'm depressed and need help etc. Mine did this, I even went to the Drs with him - yet he still cheated and then got abusive when I refused to believe his denials. He will only admit to what I have 'proof' of. I did a lot of research in the first few weeks, and under the impression I could help him - all I have done however is reinforce he doesn't need to be responsible for his actions because he's 'ill' and so now he's throwing the 'are you just going to leave me while I go through this alone' - another form of manipulation.
I'd strongly suggest you don't share anything you find while researching with him - he will adopt those traits and those of 'changing' so you unbend and let him back in.
But I absolutely understand your need to find out why and try and figure it out, I'm still trying now. But ultimately I am realising that even if he can change, he's damaged so much of me that I need to heal, and I can't do that when caught up in the endless cycle he lives.
I start counselling next week, and am on antidepressants, but honestly I am now remembering the bad times. The EA, his denials, temper tantrum, the police at my door and having to baracade my self in a spare room when caught and challenged, rather than the good times.
Keep talking, here, in RL - Samaritans are great I email them because I'm not comfortable on the phone.
You can do this, you can get as far as I have.

Wallywobbles · 27/07/2017 05:20

Reading Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft was an eye opener for me. I stopped thinking he must have a disorder and went to yup he is just a shit. Very very helpful.

rizlett · 27/07/2017 06:39

the lying is due to low self worth

People with low self esteem still always have a choice whether to lie or not. People who care choose not to lie.

He's not lying due to low self worth. He's lying because he's a liar. He's a liar so how will you ever know the truth of what he says?

You are in a very vulnerable position op - the best thing you can do is to find out more information about the type of person your ex is by reading the book suggested by wally "why does he do that" and looking at the freedom programme. Your future happiness depends on it.

bibliomania · 27/07/2017 12:48

Agree with Wally and rizlett about the Lundy Bancroft book. Lundy explains that abusers abuse, not because they are driven by demons, but because it benefits them - because they can act how they like without being challenged, because they train you not to challenge them by their excessive response.

You ask: "I think I'm just worried... I'm scared of being wrong... what if he is just depressed and needs help?" It's up to the professionals to help, not you. Do you have tendencies of wanting to save people? I know I do, and it made me very vulnerable to someone who preyed on that. You can't return to the relationship to save him. Honestly, it's bad for both of you.

shallichangemyname · 27/07/2017 14:57

I have just managed to break away from my narcissist/sociopath/psychopath after 3 1/2 years. I don't know where to begin. There has been financial, emotional and physical abuse. He is completely authoritarian, has to have his own way 100% with no discussion (any attempt to introduce a discussion would lead to immediate argument). He is a massive attention seeker. Charming and the life and soul when out. Withdrawn, grumpy and sulky when at home. Impatient and short. Can ignore me for days before letting me know what I did "wrong". Deflect, deflect, deflect - for instance, constantly accusing me of flirting when he is the biggest flirt I've ever seen, accusing me of attention seeking (when it's what he does). Constantly talked about how his exes had taken him for a ride and lied about him (to explain why they all hate him and why they all allege the same things I now see in him). Even though I did loads and loads for him and his kids, constantly telling me that in comparison to everything he did for me I did very little. I was paying for mortgage, all utilities, sky and our food. His financial contribution tiny in comparison but he'd "big it up" whenever I challenged him and end up getting angry to shut me up.
When we argued he would have little flashes of anger when he would shove me (permanent whiplash in my neck), or pull my hair or push me to the ground, smash my phone or my laptop. Two more serious incidents when I had a black eye - threw something at me one time (also had a nasty cut on the nose from that), smacked my head on a tiled floor the other time (I was down there because he'd pushed me down).

Massive hypocrite - always doing the sorts of things he complained that I was doing. Over time that would really give me the rage and I'd call him on it.
Constant lying about small things (and probably big things too, I have no idea)
Controlling - he would never say I couldn't go out but would make it clear he thought I shouldn't, so my friendships suffered and I felt increasingly isolated - he'd say that my friends should understand we both have younger children, theirs are older, they don't work but I do, and weren't they selfish for expecting me to go out. When we went out together he'd give me such a hard time for getting too drunk, being too loud (ie enjoying myself) or flirting (not true) that I became withdrawn (normally a very confident person). Isolated me from my family because they made it clear they didn't like him and he said it would be unfair to him for me to have anything to do with them. His next thing was to isolate my friends - he'd started to criticise them all the time.
Financially abusive - when anything needed paying for he'd ask me to give him my credit card even though he had his own, or tell me to get the cash. I'm massively in debt now. Used my ebay account rather than his own to make purchases. Got me to invest in things saying he'd share profit with me, but we made a loss every time. When I asked him about sharing the loss/paying me back for things he'd bought he'd get really cross so I'd just end up dropping the subject.

I read a post a few days ago which touched a nerve. It said "This sort of narcissistic abuse is known for provoking extreme reactions from the partner who is being abused. Then their reaction is used to "prove" they are the ones being unreasonable. This sort of behaviour is now widely known to all the relevant experts" - yes yes yes to this, I had started to become a screaming banshee, I had become so wound up by his behaviour and the constant pressure that I would snap and shout at him, whereas before I'd just take it and not complain, for a quiet life. He claimed he had made a collection of videos of me yelling at him and would threaten to show them to people.
Constant gaslighting - over serious things (eg the violence) as well as minor things (eg claiming to have told me something when he absolutely hadn't). He would claim after incidents of violence that I had attacked him and would claim to have video evidence (which he can't have had).
He wasn't very nice to my kids, would lay down Hitleresque rules then punish them severely for minor infractions. But if they toed the line he was OK. His own children were immune - the older one didn't dare put a foot wrong and the younger one he claimed was too young for rules (eg my kids punished for being 2 minutes late to bed, his younger one had no set bed time).
Would tell me to make sure I told people that we'd bought a house together, or a car, but then he'd tell all his friends and family that they were his and not "ours".

He would never flatter me but would always tell me that I was rubbish at my job, hadn't brought up my children very well, always doing me down. Telling me that nobody else would look at me. Would talk himself up, always saying how women would throw themselves at him and how lucky I was to have him. It's hard to leave a relationship like that. My friends have been trying to persuade me to get out for months and months.
Finally did it 2 weeks ago.
He's trying to "hoover" me back up, both directly and via the children. Intermittent abusive messages, interspersed with "I miss you" messages and instructions to go and tell everyone that I've made everything up. Currently I'm blocked by him on everything (oh the irony) but I'll be unblocked in a couple of days. Lots of PA crap on Instagram and facebook (so immature, he' s nearly 50 ffs).
There is one more financial issue to sort out so I'm trying not to react at the moment, but when this is all over I will have nothing more to do with him whatsoever and will tell him that straight - he's currently in denial about his behaviour and blaming everything on me and going round telling whoever will listen (including me) that I am lying about the bullying, control and abuse.
The first year and a half was good. It was after we bought a house together that things changed. I just got so caught up in it and wanting to make it work and hoping he'd change. And it's hard to believe, but I loved him very much. I feel a fool now. I should have seen that it was never going to end well. He's a great friend to people, but his personality means that he can never be a good partner. I now know that all of his exes all make the same allegations about him, without exception.
Wow, this is quite cathartic. Sorry for rambling.

SophiaTiara · 27/07/2017 15:09

No but my mother is one . A sociopath. Definitely.

Will sue her own children, cause massive emotional damage just to save face eg not telling her child she is relocating, I could go on.

Anything and everything to bolster herself and utterly selfish and cruel.

Women are worst as people don't even believe you as women are meant to be lovely especially
Mothers

Some women don't have any kindness generosity or caring in them.

DioneTheDiabolist · 27/07/2017 15:19

Going to a therapy isn'the "jumping through hoops" to psycho/sociopaths. It's talking about themselves for an hour a week to someone who will not check up on them. It also buys them brownie points with people they have fucked over. They love that shit.

Why are you any contact OP?

Ishouldhaveknown · 27/07/2017 17:20

Some of these things ring true, others not so much. There hadn't been any of the classic manipulation like gas lightning, controlling behaviours, reading your description shalli that sounds much more like an ex from many years ago (maybe I am getting into a pattern here).

Am I just projecting my fears from my last relationship in to this one? On the other hand he has clearly lie to me and deceived me. But has fully taken the blame for those things on himself and is getting help...

I could give you some bull shit reason for contract, sorting assets /finances but the truth is I still love him. The relationship was good. I want to be sure there is no way to fix this before I quit. I've been in shock, not the best state of mind to make decisions

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Ishouldhaveknown · 27/07/2017 17:22

I don't think I can save him. He has friends and family who have stepped in to support and is getting professional help.

The question is should I support him, can he improve or is this who he is, and everything he's doing and saying now is just another deception?

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Runninglikeamummy · 27/07/2017 17:24

No he's fucked and so are you unless you ditch him.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/07/2017 17:26

Hi OP, sorry you have been going through this.

I think the best thing for you to do right now and in the immediate future is to look after YOURSELF.

As you said, he is getting help from professionals and has friends/family to support him. Do you have anyone helping you?

Banananana · 27/07/2017 17:33

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Namila · 27/07/2017 18:14

OP I could have written some parts of your posts and it honestly makes me feel so much better to read that other people feel the way I do (although I am obviously sorry you have to go through this!).

This has especially reasonated with me:

"Dione - when I met him my first impression was this man is a liar... I even told friends. But he fooled me, I fell in love

It's hard to fall out of love with someone like that. He's charming and convincing"

I could have written this. Word. By. Word.

In my case it was a brief relationship that (thanks God) fizzled out as he went into the Discard phase and got rid of me like a piece of trash. Nearly two months out, I am still dealing with the aftermath on a mental level. And I am normally a very confident and healthy person, no history of self-esteem issues whatsoever.

In 3 months only he managed to break me. Unbelievable what a narc/ sociopath can achieve and how quickly.

Renarde75 · 27/07/2017 18:26

Horrible shallichangemyname but I can totally relate. My ex did this. Even down to the stupid PA shit on facebook.

You have had a very lucky escape there OP. Flowers

Renarde75 · 27/07/2017 18:27

THIS Namila. They can 'break' you so quickly. But notice how your gut told you he wasn't on the level then you fell for him?

They are so so good at what they do.

LellyMcKelly · 27/07/2017 18:32

I went out with someone who acknowledged he fell on the narcissistic spectrum (he was a psychologist so had more insight than most). There's no point in trying to find answers that make sense, because he's not normal. I had to let it go in the end, because it was driving me nuts.

MissWilmottsGhost · 27/07/2017 18:40

XP would use whatever tactics he thought would get him whatever he wanted. If one didn't work he would easily swap to another, when I left he tried threats, then blame, then crying, but by then I had realised he was good at faking all the emotions, and really felt nothing except anger at not getting his own way.

Sarcomere · 27/07/2017 18:49

No advice but Flowers

Oddly enough I just finished this book 2 days ago! -

A beautiful terrible thing: a memoir of marriage and betrayal. Jen Waite.

It's her story about being married to a psychopath and the aftermath. I found it gripping and couldn't put it down, but you may find comfort that you aren't alone. It does end well! Just a thought...

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 27/07/2017 18:55

I could have written all these posts. I had to get a restraining order on mine. I feel sorry for his current gf.

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