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He's fell off the wagon again!

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ginnedupmummy · 26/03/2007 10:03

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ShinyHappyDalek · 26/03/2007 10:07

(((((hugs)))))

Sorry-to-be-no-help....(and-sorry-about-kayboard-issue---it's-so-inappropriate-on-a-serious-post-but-just-wanted-to-respond)

Have-you-given-him-a-Final-Ultimatum-type-scenario?-have-you-got-Al-Anon-involved?Or-demanded-that-he-does?---Does-he-know-he's-got-a-problem-and-WANT-to-stop?

(Why-are-you-called-GinnedUpMummy???-You-don't-have-a-problem-too??)

ShinyHappyDalek · 26/03/2007 10:07

*keyboard!

Ifonlyhewould · 26/03/2007 10:08

God bless you. My heart is going out to you and i'm so sorry you are going through this.

It's probably not very helpful advice but i would pack up his stuff and ask him to leave, just to give myself a break from all this. He is taking all your strength and you need that for your children.

Sorry i'm not of much use but i am thinking of you XX

ginnedupmummy · 26/03/2007 10:19

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ginnedupmummy · 26/03/2007 10:22

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zookeeper · 26/03/2007 10:30

no answers gin, I put up with years of this and even though he hasn't drunk now for ages I still worry that he may start agian, because I don't what I'd do if he did. You have to change yourself and somehow manaeuvre yourself into a position where you know you won't put up with it any more. Put your energy into that rather than trying to change him.

zookeeper · 26/03/2007 10:32

ignore the spelllings and typos

wpcanniecartwright · 26/03/2007 10:32

i think sadly that is true, put yourself first and kids and ignore him, is the only way

Ifonlyhewould · 26/03/2007 10:33

This is such a difficult situation.
If you told him the last time that this would be his last chance then it really does have to be his last chance otherwise he won't take anything you say seriously. He will feel free to fall off the wagon again and again because he knows you will take him back.

But i can understand where you are coming from. But where do you draw the line? How many chances do you give him?

Your DH is going to have to be really strong to give up the alcohol. You are going to have to be equally strong to walk away from him.

Does it have to be permanent? Could you not seperate until he sorts himself out then maybe work on getting your relationship back on track?

wpcanniecartwright · 26/03/2007 10:34

i am always handing out ultimatums, well a couple anyway... but easier said than done. be strong.

Ifonlyhewould · 26/03/2007 10:36

it certainly is easier said than done. MIne was a gambler. It was the hardest thing i ever had to do but it was the best thing too. At least now me and the kids have a life

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/03/2007 10:38

GUM,

You cannot keep carrying this burden of his drinking. You feel very responsible for him don't you?. It would not surprise me at all to read that you also grew up in a household where drinking was a major influence on one of your parents. It's wearing you down not to mention the effect on the children with all the comings and goings.

The only person who can ultimately change him is him. Not you I am sorry to say, infact nobody but him. Alcoholics are by their very nature selfish; their primary relationship is with drink first and foremost.

Is he at all serious about seeking proper help for his alcoholism?.

How many more chances are you prepared to give him; this was his last chance last time.
How many more "blips" are you prepared to stand for; he could go on like this indefinately and all the time your children are picking up on it. You state that you know for a fact that he does not want to be like this anymore. Has he actually told you this and if so what steps has he taken to get help?.You may indeed be correct but what needs to be considered here is he has to prove this to you by getting proper help and sticking to it. He also needs to do this on his own - without you and the children as his emotional crutches.

Wishing DS1 better soon.

zookeeper · 26/03/2007 10:41

So Attila, is she to stay if he gets the help and live with the possibility of a further lapse?

zookeeper · 26/03/2007 10:42

(I don't mean to sound abrupt, but I'm just thinking of the practicalities and how much more she should take

zookeeper · 26/03/2007 10:42

(I don't mean to sound abrupt, but I'm just thinking of the practicalities and how much more she should take

wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 26/03/2007 10:44

this is very difficult. As much as it is hard for you and the kids, alcoholism is an illness, and by giving him the final ultimatum you could quite possibly push him over the edge of his drinking. If you are with him, he possibly has reason not to drink, but if you throw him out, what reason does he have?

It sounds from your description that he does actually have a problem with alcohol, so quitting needs to be a permanent thing, no more alcohol - ever.

You need to talk seriously about what's happening in your lives. If he wants to give up drinking, then he will have to put in the effort to do so. would he attend AA meetings or similar? also you could try to get in touch with a group called alanon who are for friends/relatives of alcoholics.

In order for him to give up, he has to want to do it, but if he wants to, he doesn't have to do it on his own, and you don't have to go through this on your own either.

Ifonlyhewould · 26/03/2007 10:51

I'm sorry to disagree with that last post but Ginnedupmummy shouldnt be made to feel responsible for her husbands drinking. She shouldn't feel guilty for giving him the ultimatum. he has a choice as to whether or not he drinks. He has a choice as to whether or not he gets help and stays off the wagon. Ginnedupmummy would like him to choose her and his children over the drink. He made his choice this weekend, he chose the drink.

This is coming out all wrong but what i mean is that if he does go 'over the edge' i would hate to thnk Ginnedupmummy would blame herslef because she gave him the ultimatum. She does have herself and the children to think of.

Its called tough love.

Ifonlyhewould · 26/03/2007 10:54

sorry of that was a bit garbled and didn't amke much sense. ive got a stinking headache and its affecting my train of thought

wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 26/03/2007 11:04

No of course the op shouldn?t feel guilty, and if she feels she can?t go on like this any more then she has to do what she feels is best for her and her children.

But addiction is an illness, and part of that illness is the inability to recognize that there is a problem. If your dh wants to stop drinking then he has to do it because he realizes that he has a problem and wants to stop, not because he?s been given an ultimatum.

If he wants to give up drinking then he can do it. Alcoholics do reform and never go back to their drinking again, it can be done, the question is whether you want to give him another chance.

ginnedupmummy · 26/03/2007 11:08

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Ifonlyhewould · 26/03/2007 11:10

So while you support DH Ginnedupmummy who supports you?

ginnedupmummy · 26/03/2007 11:17

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Ifonlyhewould · 26/03/2007 11:23

Bless you

I'm glad you have support.

At the end of the day you can be given all the best advice in the world but you have to do whats best for you and your family. You don't have to listen to any of us but please don't stop posting, you will never be considered a burden. And, you never know when your post is helping someone else in the same position.
You know what they say, a problem shared is a problem halved

Your husband is very lucky to have such a loving, supportive and strong wife.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/03/2007 12:54

Hi GUM,

Please feel free to unburden yourself on here whenever you want to. There is always a "listening ear".

Re this comment from on of your postings":-
"But he wants to solve it on his own".

Ah yes, that one. A triumph of hope over experience methinks. He cannot solve this problem on his own; alcoholism is an illness and he needs to treat it as such with proper medical help.

He needs to seek proper help (not attempt to stop drinking on his own because that will fail; also on medical grounds just stopping drinking altogether is not without risk) and do this without either you or the children around. If he is serious then he needs to get onto a properly controlled detox program with counselling to work through why he drinks in the first place, the triggers for doing same. He made and has continued to make a conscious choice to start drinking.

You can be equally supportive by not holding his hand or sharing the load of responsibility, he needs to do this on his own.

What does you Mum think?.

Even with the above measures in place (and this would give you some indication as to how serious he actually is about addressing this illness) there are no guarantees and he may continue to drink. He will have to undergo a complete sea change of attitude and forego his old friends (many of whom doubtless are his drinking buddies).

You and your children are your utmost priority now; not him. He is old enough to make his own choices.

Gold star to you for seeking help for your own self following your Dad's passing. I wish you well with this, keep at it!!!.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/03/2007 12:59

"Is she to stay if he gets the help and live with the possibility of a further lapse?"

Hi Zookeeper,

Re your question above I would say no. As mentioned in my previous post there are no guarantees that he will stop drinking even with detox programmes and such help. He has to want to try to stop for his own self and become serious about getting help. He himself though is not GUM's responsibility at the end of the day. Her priorities are her own self along with the children.

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