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I want children, but not with my husband due to his temper/attitude.

76 replies

CK3993 · 23/06/2017 16:15

Sorry that this has turned in to such a long read! I've been as brief as possible, but I struggled to explain things without using examples.

I've been with my husband for 17 years, I'm 34 and he's 39.

Most of the time we get on really well, we have lots in common and are best friends etc. It's this connection that's stopping me from just leaving at the moment.

My husband has a bad temper, which is triggered by his mood more than anything bad actually happening - basically, if he wants to lose his temper he'll find a reason. He's never hit or pushed me and I'm sure he never would, but he does break things and say horrible things. It's always really upset me because I'm very mild-mannered & just want a peaceful life, but it only happens a few times a year so I've put up with it so far.

A few years ago I moved 100 miles away for a job opportunity, so we only saw each other at weekends. This lasted 3 years, I moved back last Christmas, and it's since then that I've really noticed how incompatible we are. I think living alone most of the time has made him feel a bit 'master of the house', and the minor problems we had have really intensified.

He just won't be questioned, about anything, he always knows best. And if something goes wrong he always needs to find someone to blame - usually me - even when something's just an accident. I feel like I can't be annoyed at something myself because I need to defuse him. A quick example - a plastic panel on my car window (purely decorative) was loose, I forgot it was loose and took a long drive and it fell off while we were on the motorway. Obviously I was annoyed at myself, but he ranted on so much I ended up defending myself saying it's not a big deal, it's my car and I'll deal with it etc.

We're in Florida at the moment with my younger brother (mid-20s, not a child), I asked him before we left home to try to tone down his typically strong language, but he's made no effort at all. For example, I hit my head off the marble worktop in the apartment and neither OH or brother turned to see if I was ok. I made a lighthearted "charming!" type comment, and he called me a horrible twat! Just totally unnecessary escalation, under the guise of 'humour'.

The other day at Magic Kingdom he screamed at me in front of my brother and other people in the park, because I walked out into heavy rain instead of staying in a crowded ride exit (I freak out in tightly crowded spaces). He knows I love MK and was looking forward to the day, but still decided to embarrass me because his expensive t-shirt got wet.

He's also taken to doing something I've seen his father do - rolls his eyes or harrumphs at anything silly I say. I have a self-deprecating sense of humour so I often point out daft things I think and do and he used to laugh at them, but now if there's people around he'll roll his eyes instead even thought I know he'd find it funny or at least would know I'm not being serious.

That was all a bit of a rant, and I want to reiterate that most of the time he is great and I love him dearly. I'm very messy and disorganised, and he is brilliant at keeping me alive! I just feel like we're on opposing teams all the time, and although I have no parenting experience I feel like to be successful you need to be a solid unit. I also really don't want to be one of those couples that makes people feel awkward because they obviously hate each other and can't be bothered to hide it any more.

We've talked about having children and have both been vaguely positive about having them, but not 100% sure. I've now realised I definitely do want children, my uncertainty is whether I should have them with him. I know he won't consider counselling, he won't even have the most casual discussions with me about anything related to our relationship.

Writing this out makes it clear to me that we're incompatible and I should leave, but it ignores that 95% of the time that we have a great time, and that's what's giving me pause. So any wisdom on what we/I can do here would be very appreciated!

(just a note - I realise I'm no spring chicken, and if I leave there's no guarantee I'll meet someone else and be able have children with them.)

OP posts:
slothqueen · 28/06/2017 15:30

You're doing the right thing. Good luck.

OutnumberedbyFurchesters · 28/06/2017 15:34

Good luck tonight!

He sounds just like my granddad. Who shoud never have had kids, broke thinks out of temper, but never his own things, always my nans and was bad tempered narcissist throughout mum and her 4 siblings childhood. My nan ended up trapped sadly. Left for 2 years, but came back and had 2 more kids.

Wishing you all the best for exciting next chapter without him!

TheSnorkMaidenReturns · 28/06/2017 15:51

Please get your stuff together first.

Before you talk to him get the practical stuff you need together in one place, out of the house. Passport, bank details, car insurance etc. Plus some cash.

People like him can be very manipulative when you say you are going to leave.

He'll tell you that you are over-reacting to this one incident, that you aren't perfect either, that nobody else would put up with your x,y and z.

Be prepared for this. Be strong.

Naicehamshop · 28/06/2017 15:58

Good luck and stay strong. Flowers

RiseToday · 28/06/2017 16:55

Ooh I was hoping you would post again OP!

Very glad to hear about the exciting developments, good for you.

FizzyGreenWater · 28/06/2017 17:05

Yes he's a classic low-level abuser who ramps it up when he feels in full control.

You are absolutely spot on to identify having children as the danger point. That would be it - he'd see you differently, as tied. You'd be meshed together and I think the abuse would ramp right up. Plus the stress of children, etc.

I really really hope you follow through with this. You aren't happy, and you've seen how you could be so much more happy.

DON'T believe promises to change. That never happens.

Re having children, yes you may not meet the right person within the timeframe to have children. So, once you're out of this, think about freezing your eggs. Then you could potentially go it alone in a few years with a sperm donor OR have a backup plan to conceive with a partner later on.

IWillOnlyEatBeans · 28/06/2017 17:12

Good luck OP Flowers

zazasabore · 28/06/2017 17:38

Do you friends and family like him? How did your brother feel about seeing you verbally abused? Does he lack control with alcohol, is he worse after drinking? If he has explosive and disproportionate anger issues that would be a disaster for bringing a baby into the equation.

parklives · 28/06/2017 17:46

Good luck op, you're doing the right thing for future you and your future children.

PacificDogwod · 28/06/2017 20:08

Good luck to you for tonight Thanks

Listen to all the good advice on here, so much of which comes from a place of experience, sadly.

cestlavielife · 28/06/2017 22:54

Gosh don't tell him then sleep in same house with him. Mad idea .
Go in the morning and leave a note
He could get violent throw things etc

CK3993 · 28/06/2017 23:26

Thank you all again for the support

It's done. I was prepared for anger, or an indifferent shrug but he was just really sad and surprised. It threw me for a loop, but it confirmed my suspicion that he doesn't know how crap his behaviour is because his mother has put up with the same thing for his whole life.

I'm at my parents now, I'm going to talk to stbexh (am I doing abbreviations right?!) on Friday once he's had time for it to sink in, re next steps like what to do with the house etc. Tonight it all just feels very sad, but hopefully it's the start of a much happier and more relaxed time of my life.

OP posts:
PickAChew · 28/06/2017 23:31

Nice one.

Treat yourself well Flowers

ohfourfoxache · 28/06/2017 23:42

Well done Thanks

I know it can't have been easy but you are going to be happier for this

TyrionLannisterforKing · 28/06/2017 23:43

That's great! Stay strong, OP.

OutnumberedbyFurchesters · 29/06/2017 09:55

Glad to hear it went ok Flowers

Take care of yourself.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 29/06/2017 10:02

Glad to hear you have taken the first step. Continue to tread carefully though - once the initial shock wears off for him, he may well try to win you back, and if that doesn't work then he'll get nasty. Don't forget that this is a man very insistent on getting his own way.

pudding21 · 29/06/2017 10:36

Well done OP. Be strong and have conviction you have done the right thing. Also be prepared to be put through the emotional ringer, and continue to be manipulated. I left ex nearly 5 months ago, things are just starting (ish) to settle now. But I had months on end of love bombing, then hate and vitriol, back to love bombing again. I have kids with him so I cannot cut him out my life. He has been full of self pity, telling me how depressed he is but then his actions prove otherwise.

He might make it look like he is accepting it, but be prepared for him to kick off big time when he knows you aren't changing your mind. Good luck x

Slimthistime · 29/06/2017 10:43

oh I didn't see the post originally, only now with the update that you left
this is good

my dad was like this on and off for years - I finally decided to be virtually NC (alas he lives in the house with my mum).

be prepared for him to try to win you back - dad could behave well for a couple of years, then break out again because he thought it was safe. It was genuinely a shock to him when I said "no more" and barred him from my home and he's only just stopped asking when he will be allowed back - because he will not. Now I just wait for him to die so I can feel less burdened.

so don't let him promise to change. He has shown you who he is, clearly his father is the same. This must be the end. You will have a much better life now. Flowers

hellsbellsmelons · 29/06/2017 11:09

They do tend to know how shitty their behaviour is but because they get away with it they minimise it in their own minds.
Well done.
I really hope you now have a much more peaceful and relaxed life.
It will be sad and chaotic as first, while you sort through things and feelings, but you'll get there.

TheSnorkMaidenReturns · 29/06/2017 13:42

good luck Flowers.

Starfairylights · 29/06/2017 13:51

Good luck OP, it must of been very hard. You sound like you are very strong Flowers

RiseToday · 29/06/2017 14:49

Well done! You have made the right decision.

noneintended · 29/06/2017 19:33

Well done and you have a support network to keep you on terrafirma.
wihing you all the best in your new life chapter
Smile

Sparkletastic · 29/06/2017 19:38

Well done. You've done the right thing. Don't weaken and let yourself be persuaded into one my try.