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TW mention of stillbirth - I think I need help? Or just a bit of perspective, perhaps...?

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JennyRMorris · 15/06/2017 11:15

I feel like this is going to be quite a long ramble so apologies in advance.. I just need some help.

My OH and I have been together for approaching two years. The relationship is generally good and we are stable I would say, most of the time. We live together, (my house/mortgage).
We recently suffered the loss of our DS, who was stillborn at 38+2, four weeks ago today.

We are both still grieving, obviously and we are dealing with things quite differently, however we seem to be strong and we are leaning on each other a lot, especially me on him. If anything it has brought us closer together.

The problem I am currently experiencing (and have been for a while) is to do with one of my OHs friends. My OH would probably describe him as his best friend. He hasn't done anything directly to me but I feel like he hasn't helped our relationship over the past two years.

I'm being a bit vague, one example of "not helping" -

My OH likes to go out with said friend to the pub or wherever. Whenever they go out together they always get way too drunk, to a point where my OH doesn't come home, so I am unable to sleep or relax because I'm constantly waiting for him to get back and he doesn't come home.
This friend lives about 30 miles away and my OH practically always travels to him instead of friend coming to us, so it's not like he can just walk home after he's had a skin full.

The most recent incident was a few days after DS was born - OH went out on his motorbike to run some errands for his business, which I was fine with, I appreciated he needed a bit of time to himself and he had been amazing during the birth of DS and afterwards, I must reiterate how good he was, I couldn't have wished for a more supportive and caring person to go through the worst time of my life with.
Anyway, back to the story - he also went to see some of his friends, friend in question included. I sent him a text message at around 5pm, (he went out at about 11.30am) to see that he was ok and when he thought he would be home. He said he wanted to see another of his friends and would come home once he had seen him, I was expecting him to return at about 9/10pm. He didn't return. 3am rolls around and he asks me if i will go and pick him up as he was too drunk to ride home and he had been hiding in a park because he was worried the police would see him! I obviously obliged because I was worried about him and I just wanted him home and safe, he was about an hours drive away, at 3am and on no sleep I wasn't best pleased but I didn't feel that I could be that mad considering the circumstances.

This is not the first time this has happened, it used to occur before DS was even conceived (probably happened between 8-10 times in total I'd say, where he didn't come home when he had said on the night multiple times that he was just having one last drink and he would come home) we have had multiple discussions/arguments about his behaviour in the past and that I find it disrespectful that he can't just do as he said he would in the first place.
I find it annoying as I wouldn't do it to him.

I feel as though he is two different people at times. When he is with me, he is kind, caring, attentive, loving, I couldn't wish for a better partner. Then when "the friend" is involved he turns into this idiot who can't decide when he's had enough to drink and he forgets that I exist. I feel as though he's a bad influence on the OH, although it's no excuse, my OH is a grown man and should be able to make adult decisions by himself.

Anyway, last week or maybe the week before (after above incident), he mentions he would like to go out with said friend to get food/go to the pub. I said I wasn't comfortable with this as I wasn't prepared to go through another night of panicking. He didn't go out, but he was a bit pissed off about it.
He then asked how I would feel if he wanted to go away for a few days with said friend on the bikes or go out somewhere far away and stay over in a hotel so there was no worry about him coming home. I told him I didn't feel comfortable with this at the moment although to be honest I am unsure I will ever feel comfortable with this.

I feel like he's asking too much given his twatty behaviour previously. I'm worried he's going to do something stupid or something horrible will happen. I'm paranoid beyond belief.

I have quite a few friends and different circles of friends, although I don't see any of them that often really, this is the way it has always been between me and my friends and that for us is fine.
I just feel like my OH wants to see this friend all the time and as soon as he mentions him my heart drops because I'm worried about what will happen when they get together.

I did think that if OH goes away for an overnight piss up session that I should do the same, meet up with friends or have them come here and have a wine and film night or something? I just don't know how to stop panicking.

"The friend" came to our house last night, we all had a takeaway and sat in the garden, had a few drinks etc and I felt ok-ish and better for knowing where the OH was(!)

When "the friend" was leaving I overheard him and OH having a conversation, I didn't hear it in full however I picked up "the friend" saying that he had recently had a piss up session and drove home plastered at 4am, he was saying "it's just not worth it, mate". I heard my OH laugh and say "Well, I'm not going to deny that I enjoy it" Friend replied with "you just need to build some trust, mate, start slow and build up from there".

Now this is sound advice in my opinion, that is what we need to do and ideally a bit of trust needs to be created before I am going to be comfortable with OH spending time with friend in question. I felt like OH's attitude and reply was a bit shit to be honest and it made me question him a bit. I feel like he's just going to behave like a prick again as soon as he gets the opportunity.

I felt crap after hearing it - I suppose it confirmed that OH still wants to spend time with this person who causes us/me so much grief.
I feel like my thoughts about this person are not all that rational but I don't know how to be comfortable with him and my OH's friendship. For some reason I don't tend to put all the blame on OH, I have blamed the friend instead and it's resulted in me having this seriously strong dislike for him.

I suppose what I want to know is, am I being irrational?
Can anyone offer me another perspective because it's going around and around in my head constantly and I need something to either take this away or confirm that my feelings are normal and I'm not being mental.

If it makes any difference, Im 24 and OH is 31.

Thanks in advance.

OP posts:
Justmadeperfectflapjacks · 15/06/2017 15:55

His idea of build up trust sounds like humour you til he can take the piss again. ...
The friendship is greatly affecting your marriage and your dh isn't taking it seriously.

JennyRMorris · 15/06/2017 16:33

That's what I'm afraid of to be honest. I feel as though he won't stop doing it 🙁
Do you think my concerns are valid?

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Chattymummyhere · 15/06/2017 17:00

They are just biding their time.

I can't stand people who give a time and then rock up hours later. I'd much rather they just said prob be a late/early hours one. Fine i shall be going up about X time so try not to be too loud when you fall in.

JennyRMorris · 15/06/2017 17:13

I'm the same Chattymummy - It really bugs me.

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picklemepopcorn · 15/06/2017 17:24

When he is home and lovely and sober, can you ask him about the friendship? Ask him if he thinks it's ok to get drunk insensible, and behave as he does? If he thinks it's ok, then you need to think about that.

If he thinks it isn't ok, then ask him how he's going to maintain his friendship without doing stuff he doesn't want to do.

Intransige · 15/06/2017 17:25

Sorry for your loss Flowers

He was hiding from the police in a park?? That's peculiar. Are you sure it's just alcohol, because even when utterly plastered I have never felt paranoid about the police arresting me. Possibly because I don't do stupid shit when I'm drunk?

I know that some people try to drown their responsibilities. And I have enormous sympathy for both of you for the loss of your baby. But there are better ways to deal with the grief and the fear of being a responsible adult with no one to help heal your pain. I think he needs to do more than earn your trust back, he needs to be honest with you about why he likes getting so drunk. It sounds like it's beyond the point of just having fun?

UnbornMortificado · 15/06/2017 17:32

The paranoid about the police thing sounds odd. Is this "normal" (hope that makes sense!) for him or just started post loss?

I'm very sorry about the loss of your son Flowers

Grief is unique it effects everyone differently, going off the rails is quite common, I did some stuff I'm not proud of after a similar loss (my son at 24 weeks) I hurt my loved ones in the process.

ImperialBlether · 15/06/2017 17:35

I'm so sorry you lost your baby. Flowers

I think they're taking something more than alcohol - I've never known anyone hide from the police just from drinking.

I'm absolutely horrified that he went out drinking just a few days after you lost your son and made you drive a 60 mile round trip at 3 am to collect him from the bushes of a park. Honestly, I wouldn't be able to forgive that.

Whether it's the other guy who's a bad influence or what, your partner is making really bad decisions when he's with him. He's clearly not mature enough to look after himself, never mind look after you.

You sound lovely - you can do so much better than this man.

(And yes, his friend's comment about trust meant that you should be fooled into trusting him.)

Haffiana · 15/06/2017 18:00

I think you have a choice. Either carry on stopping your OH seeing his friend and put up with the consequence that he will resent you and your relationship will suffer, or take responsibility for the fact that it is YOU that feels uncomfortable and therefore YOU that needs to address this. rather than make someone else behave in a fashion that denies what is important to him. It could be that your OH has to grieve in his own way.or take comfort in episodes of a friendship behaviour that predates yours and his. I think you need to be honest with yourself about this: not telling you that he will be staying out late is unreasonable behaviour and you need to sort that out with him, definitely. But what you appear to really want is that your DH does not go out with this friend at all. That is not fair for you to ask of him. He is a grown man who can choose his own friends and is allowed to make his own choices about 'bad influences'.

In the short term, yes, you can ask your OH to support you through what is an appallingly sad time for you both by not going out. However, this is still going to be an issue in a years time, in 2 years time. So be clear now what you actually want and what that might mean for you both if you make an issue of it.

TheNewSchmoo · 15/06/2017 18:19

I'm very sorry for what you have been through.

Your partner is a grown man and has to own his behaviour. It is unfair to blame the friend as a bad influence, your partner makes his own decisions. It isn't fair of you to dictate his choice of friends. If the roles were reversed, your partner would be perceived as controlling.

LedaP · 15/06/2017 18:20

Op i am sorry for your loss.

The friend isnt the problem. Its your dh. Your dh could choose to be friends with him and not act like a dick.

JennyRMorris · 15/06/2017 18:28

I have asked him about the friendship before Pickle - I'm quite an honest and forward person and I'm not afraid to speak my mind, especially when it comes to someone treating me the way they shouldn't. I was quite frank with him and asked him what he sees in a person who encourages him to behave like a moron. He just said that the friend had done a lot for him in the past - I asked him what he thought he had done and he just said helped him to do up his house, which I thought was a bit of a lame response but that's just me.. I don't really need to know the ins and outs of their friendship, I judge people on how they treat others and I feel like if this friend was such a good one he would perhaps tell the OH he's being a twat and to go home before I lose my shit, again. I suppose it's not the friend's responsibility, my OH should know better.

He has said that it's not ok and he knows it's not, he just gets carried away, which I don't think is a good enough excuse. Maybe if it had happened once or twice but not when he's a repeat offender.

Intransige - he was riding his bike when a police car came up behind him, he knew he was over the limit so pulled down a side street and decided to hide in the park. Who knows what went through his head. He said the next day he wasn't sure himself. Perhaps grief and alcohol mixed makes you do weird things.
I don't think he has an addiction to alcohol or anything, he hardly drinks at all during the week and we rarely have beer in the house to be honest. He just goes completely over the top when the opportunity arises and ends up totally wrecked.

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Tazerface · 15/06/2017 18:36

He rides on a motorbike drunk? Does he have a deathwish?

I'm so sorry for your loss Jenny, I can't imagine what you're going through. It sounds very much like his coping is to be away from you whereas your coping is to want to be with him. I think you probably need to have a frank talk about what's going on. Ultimately if he's not prepared to act a bit more responsible and you're not prepared to put up with it, then you're probably better off parting ways.

JennyRMorris · 15/06/2017 18:53

Well this is why I have concerns, Tazerface.

In which case I suppose I would be better off saying yes to the nights away, perhaps then it eliminates the drink-riding etc. It concerns me that I wouldn't be close by if something went tits up, although 30 odd miles away isn't exactly close either.

I feel a bit stuck about it all to be honest. I know my feelings towards the friend are unreasonable, it's not his fault it's my OHs.

I agree that me trying to stop him seeing this friend etc is nothing short of controlling and to be honest I know that is wrong and I shouldn't do that, I just don't know how to "get ok" with them spending time together. I don't know how to put it right in my head. I feel completely panicked when the OH leaves the house and goes out on his bike because I'm just waiting for it happen again.

Maybe I need therapy or something.

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picklemepopcorn · 15/06/2017 18:58

That's a bit shocking. Fair do's, the guy is grieving and needed to blow off steam, but to drive drunk...

And the friend that encourages it- he hasn't the excuse of grief for his idiocy. How will it help if DP hurts himself, someone else, loses his licence...

picklemepopcorn · 15/06/2017 18:59

I don't think you are at all unreasonable to be concerned about this, actually. Either DP is vulnerable and being led astray by his mate. Or he's an idiot and needs dumping. Sorry.

JennyRMorris · 15/06/2017 19:05

I don't think he's being lead astray to be honest, I think he's willingly doing it.

He's said before when we have discussed it that he never intends to get wasted, he just gets carried away and before he knows it he's well over the limit.
My argument is you know how many times you go to the bar and buy a pint for it to register in your brain that you should probably stop.

I don't mean to stop him having fun or enjoying himself, I just want him to keep his word, come home when he says he will and then I feel I'd be happy.

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MaybeDoctor · 15/06/2017 19:08

Riding a motorbike while drunk is close to suicidal :( If you know he is doing it and where, I would be tempted to call the police myself.

Maybe it is better for him to stay overnight and get something out of his system?

Grief can make a person do very strange things.

Not sure what to add - what a desperately sad time for you.

Parent2work · 15/06/2017 19:09

Buy him a breathalyser?

JennyRMorris · 15/06/2017 19:33

I almost did last time MaybeDoctor.
I was going out my mind with worry, I contacted all his friends to see if they had seen him or knew where he was/if he was safe. None of them did and friend in question didn't bother replying.
The feeling it gives me is just horrific.

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NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 15/06/2017 19:40

I think he needs to grow the fuck up tbh, his friend might be a dickhead but that doesn't mean he's leading anyone astray-your DP is an adult & capable of making decisions all by himself. Problem is he makes shit ones that affect you & seemingly couldn't care less as these are reoccurring incidents.
I couldn't forgive the arseholeness in the immediate aftermath of your loss which I'm very sorry for.

delilahbucket · 15/06/2017 19:49

I am so sorry you lost your son OP.

With regard to your dp, he isn't being led astray. It's his own doing. From what you've said he's always been like this so it isn't grief that is causing him to act out of turn. He's just being a dick and he isn't going to change. He's a grown adult capable of making decisions, and that includes how much to drink, when to come home and whether to ride a motorbike when ratted. I would be questioning the relationship and voicing that questioning to him.

twattymctwatterson · 15/06/2017 19:49

It's really not the friend. Your OH is an adult who is choosing to behave this way. Going out on the lash a few days after you lost your DS is despicable - why are you not more angry about that? He went out for a drive and disappeared for 16 hours!

JaneEyre70 · 15/06/2017 19:51

I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my son at 26 weeks, and the rawness of those first few weeks still haunts me. The thought of being in that stage and my DH leaving me to get rat arsed and then expect me to sort him out afterwards would have been a deal breaker for me. He sounds like a child, OP, and you have to decide whether or not you can stay with a man that is clearly going to carry on with this behaviour.

You can't blame the friend, your OH is the one choosing to behave in this way. I feel so mad on your behalf. You deserve better Flowers.

SouthWestmom · 15/06/2017 19:54

Well I think it's time to make a decision.

I'm so sorry your little boy died and I'm glad you felt supported through that. I can't imagine how awful it would be.

But you've been together two years and are stable most of the time. He gets ridiculously drunk and takes risks. This could lead to death, injury or a criminal record.

Having once been married to someone who did similar and who was loyal to a similar 'friend' I would say seriously consider getting out now. Or the rest of your life will be punctuated with episodes like this. You will be alone at various times and with varying needs unmet.

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