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backscratcher · 13/05/2017 13:54

Hi everyone.
I hadn't realised my first thread had filled up so quickly - I'm completely overwhelmed at how many people have replied to me - and how quickly you have all done it! And thank you to everyone who has inboxed me their support.
It has made me feel less alone.

Not much to update. He hasn't come home. The bags are still outside. He hasn't text or called and I haven't attempted to text or call him.

My sister has just left as she has to go and pick up her kids but she'll be back later. My daughter is with her dad until tomorrow so I have some time to think of what I'm going to do and what I'm going to tell her.

Some more things, which may sound like a drip feed so sorry about that - but to those that have asked if he'd done this before etc - he works only 25 hours a week on a rota basis, so early or late shift. I work full time week days. I earn considerably more than him. We have a joint account and both have our own accounts. I pay in a sum of money each month to the joint account which we can both access. Tenancy is in my name so I fully pay the rent. I know he has a credit card but don't know how much money he has in his own account, or what he owes on credit card.
He works 25 hours a week because he also has a 'hobby' which he is trying (unsuccessfully so far) to turn into a business. On days when he is not working then he will collect my daughter from school so that suits me.
I have never had any reason to doubt that when he was not working that he was anywhere dodgy or doing anything dodgy.

I have been cheated on before but I left him because of how distrustful I became and because I hated the person I had became, sneaking about to check phones and try to access their Facebook - I didn't ever want to be that person again. So I made an effort not to be that person again. I chose to trust.

I've known dp - or rather twatface- for over 4 years - I met him through a friend. He pursued me for a few months and we've properly been together 3 years. He moved in with me just over a year ago. I thought we were happy. I truly thought he loved me and my daughter. We rarely argued and when we did it was never serious really - just about small stuff. We had fun together. Our sex life was good. I felt loved by him. I never felt the need to try to check his phone or to ask him for the passcode or to ask to see his own bank statements or to double check where he was on his days off whilst I was at work. I always believed what he told me.
I feel like I've been taken for a mug - both financially and emotionally. And he was just some fucking cocklodger and he's been caught out and he's too scared to face me. He doesn't do confrontation well - prefers the easy life - the fucking coward.

I'm going to try to have a nap. I'm exhausted and my eyes are sore from crying.
I am going to contact him later because I want to know who she is and how long it's been going on.
I really don't think I will ever trust another man ever again.

I didn't rush into this with him after the split from my daughters dad. I saw no one else - not even a date - between dickhead1 and dickhead2 and I thought I'd chosen wisely. What a mug.

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ChrisPrattsFace · 13/05/2017 15:57

I hope you get some answers OP, you deserve them after the last few days.
I would tell him you have seen the message - he denied the knowledge yesterday, but make it clear you have seen it and know something is being kept from you.
Good Luck Flowers

Cameron2012 · 13/05/2017 15:57

The first line out of his mouth will be a lie. This will be followed by more lies.
I am so sorry you have had this happen to you.
He had been very cruel
You deserve better,
You don't deserve his lies
He does not deserve you

doubleshotespresso · 13/05/2017 15:57

Op I am so sorry for you- you have been incredibly dignified and strong here.

Don't ask him anything initially- let him attempt to fill the silence and then dissect everything yourself afterwards.

Keep a frying pan in reserve- stay strong xxx

alphajuliet123 · 13/05/2017 15:57

The dealbreaker for me would be seeing the original text in it's full context. I think I'd still be hoping it was all a massive misunderstanding that got badly out of hand, and the whole David convo was nothing to do with yesterday. You never know.

If that message aint there, in its entirety, show him the door. Good luck.

StinkPickle · 13/05/2017 15:57

Well you want to see his photo and check that he hasn't deleted all the messages from David. If it's innocent then they'll all be there. Davids number should be in the phone still and if you phone it then a block called David should answer.

esk1mo · 13/05/2017 15:58

does he have an iphone? you might be able to check his location/frequent locations?

if you go to settings>privacy>location services>system services>frequent locations.

if he has it unknowingly enabled it will show locations, dates and times. that might help.

another thing thats helpful is going to settings>battery and look at battery usage over 24 hours/7 days. it will show any apps he has been using frequently. on older iphone software this includes deleted apps but im not sure it includes deleted apps on new ios.

speaking from experience unfortunately. helped me prove he'd been somewhere 3 times for over 2 hours, when he claimed it was once for 15 minutes.

Flowers
StinkPickle · 13/05/2017 15:58

*a bloke

CiliatedEpithelium · 13/05/2017 15:58

Stay strong OP. He knew you were in extreme anxiety and chose to stay away. That is not the action of someone that loves you. He has nowhere else to stay is all.

Westray · 13/05/2017 15:59

Good luck op

GoatLePew · 13/05/2017 15:59

What alphajuliet and stinkpickle said.
That's key.

gingeristhenewblack43 · 13/05/2017 15:59

You want to know who David is and speak to David via the number stored in his phone? You want to see the message trail to and from David?

You want to know who he was out with last night? You want to know where he has been and who he stayed with last night?

You want to know why he did not use his friend's phone to contact you? Where did he charge his phone?

Why did he lie and say he was doing over time?

Where the missing aftershave is?

Paperdoll16 · 13/05/2017 15:59

I think he would have deleted everything from his phone last night.

These things are important:

  1. Is davids message still there?
  1. Is David still in the contact list?
  1. If yes, go to WhatsApp and check the photo that's attached to that contact.
  1. WhatsApp will also show you the most frequently contacted person in his address book
  1. You need access to both his credit card and other bank accounts (it may take several days for last nights expenditure but he may have paid for a hotel room at the premier inn (even in her name) last night or any other night.

That's all I can think for now but those things will help you build a picture further x

Tiredemma · 13/05/2017 16:00

If the message has been deleted then you have your answer in its entirety.

Greenifer · 13/05/2017 16:01

If it's helpful, you can check location history on an Android, too. Go to Settings, choose Location and then Location History.

Sorry this has happened to you. Stay strong.

Thebluedog · 13/05/2017 16:01

Don't tell him what you know at this point.

Just tell him you know about the other woman and then stay silent, don't fill in any difficult silences, just sit and be quiet... my ex would only ever admit to what I told him I knew. i found out it was a physical and not just emotional affair by bluffing to him that I knew he'd slept with her, and she wasn't 'just a good friend'

esk1mo · 13/05/2017 16:02

stinkpickle also makes some good points. will he have wiped his messages? why did he delete facebook? will he have wiped his calls?

who did he call last night/this morning? has he wiped his search history on safari? all of these point to a guilty man.

you might be able to redownload facebook app, and it might remember his log in. if he only deactivated and didnt permenantly delete, then logging in will reactivate.

MoonfaceAndSilky · 13/05/2017 16:03

Also ask him why he changed his shift to the early shift and didn't tell you, and why he lied about the overtime?

Lillygolightly · 13/05/2017 16:03

Hey Backscratcher

I was on your other thread. I'm so sorry that he turned out to be a shit. I think you've handled yourself extremely well, be proud of yourself...even though I know your probably too sad to be bothered about that right now.

I can absolutely understand wanting answers from him, needing to put the pieces of the puzzle together, try to figure out how/why this happened. Just know it was not you and nothing you did, it was him so make sure you lay the blame firmly at his door. If he was feeling unhappy he should have spoken to you about it and certainly shouldn't have suggested or agreed TTC. As it is he didn't and went behind your back, betrayed your trust, lied and god knows whatever else....you simply did not deserve it.

You DO deserve the truth, be fully prepared not to get it. From the way he has behaved thus far I highly doubt he is going to be forthcoming with details. Every single thing he has done since you confronted him on the phone has been self serving and all about saving himself. He didn't try to call you or even call anyone else to check that you were ok or that you were safe. Regardless of whether he was guilty or innocent he would have known you'd be devastated and any truly loving caring partner would have been more concerned about you and would have at least wanted to make sure you were ok.

Keep strong, cry, rant and rage and do whatever you feel you need to do. You've been amazing so far, you will be fine and you will get through this.

Your awesome, he is a shitbag. Hugs x

Xanadu44 · 13/05/2017 16:03

I really feel for you. He is the dickhead, not you. The fact that he stayed away for so long seems cruel if he was just annoyed at you for "giving him a hard time" and if he hadn't done anything wrong.

Davids number and message need to be on his phone. If they aren't there then you have your answer. Although it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he changed "David" on his phone to one of his mates in the mean time trying to cover his actions.

Good luck I really hope it works out for you. If I'm honest he sounds like a douche and I think you sound amazing and can do better without him, you don't need to be treated like he has treated you (even if he's not having an affair - which I suspect he is ) the cruelty of just ignoring you etc is bad enough.

ijustwannadance · 13/05/2017 16:03

There won't be anything on his phone. He has had plenty of time to sort that.
He will lie about everything. Will most likely use one of his mates to give him an allibi.

I don't understand why you have been subbing him financially with the joint account anyway. How was he managing before you?

He fucked off a family event and lied through his back teeth. Do not trust anything he says.

6demandingchildren · 13/05/2017 16:04

Check his internet history from the phone

  1. To see if he had googled the football results
  2. To see if he was online at the time his phone died as he could of just put his phone on flight mode.
HmmOkay · 13/05/2017 16:05

You could ask him why his employers were lying to you. They told you that he was not working at the time that he said he was working.

But talking is pointless. You won't get any answers from him - just more lies to cover the initial lies. It will just hurt you more in the long run.

MilesHuntsWig · 13/05/2017 16:05

So sorry you haven't heard from him, really hope things improve for you. Gin

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 13/05/2017 16:07

He's lied to you about 'not knowing what you're on about', you saw the initial message from David on his iphone so you know he saw it, is he a bit thick?

You sound like you're wavering a little but please be wary about falling for any of the bollocks he'll come out with.

Joysmum · 13/05/2017 16:07

So his excuse is you were giving him grief so he was giving you excuses about not going to your sisters and had preplanned to lie and have aftershave? Hmm

Unfortunately he knows you want to look at his Facebook so now has time to scrub that and his messenger.