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Should I tell my estranged mother I am pregnant?

51 replies

Bea1985 · 07/05/2017 16:54

Hi everyone,

I'm writing this as I had a slight emotional breakdown about it today (very unexpected) and I could really use some input from people who are not in my immediate family, or who have possibly been through something similar themselves.

I could write War and Peace about my mother and her husband, but I will try and keep this relatively succinct and reasonable!

I am nearly 10 weeks pregnant and am gearing up towards having my 12 week scan and then the best bit - getting to tell everyone! My husband and tried to conceive for a very long time and could not be happier about this new chapter in our lives.

My husband is 15 years older than me, and sadly his parents are both deceased. I have a "friendly" relationship with my father, who is kind but very eccentric. He also lives in Penzance.

My mother left my father when I was 7 for a man that lived on our estate. They had a long, drawn out affair and were eventually caught by his wife, who called my father in a rage at his workplace and told him. My father subsequently had a nervous breakdown and moved around the world working short term contracts, before finally remarrying and settling in Penzance. From the age of 7 to about 25/26 I had no real contact with my father, despite trying to track him down many times. Long story short we have had several heart to hearts, I have been angry and hysterical at him for "abandoning" my brothers and me and leaving us to our mother and her boyfriend. He has since done what he can to make amends, apologised profusely and has listened while I told him many hard truths. We are now in regular contact and I can tell he is making a concerted effort to be a good friend and supportive father. So at least I have him now.

I have not spoken to my mother for around 5 years. Before that I had a brief, strained attempt at maintaining a relationship with her that lasted about a year. Before that period of contact, I had not had much to do with her, save sporadic contact, since I moved out of home aged 16.

When I was aged 7 (to the point when I was 16) myself and my two brothers lived with my mother and her boyfriend (now husband actually) , dotted with a few long spells at my grandmother's house. I really don't know where to start about my mother and her boyfriend, there is just too much.... In a nutshell my mother allowed her husband to emotionally, verbally and physically abuse her three children. In many cases she was complicit in the abuse. Abuse and neglect were a consistent narrative during my childhood. I could reel off examples of having hair ripped out my him, being strangled, not being fed, him trying to drown my older brother .... these are just a handful of examples out of thousands. My mother's husband is a very toxic and controlling man, with undiagnosed mental health issues. My mother is a very weak, co-dependent creature who let him do what he wanted and if we "kicked up a fuss" would tell us we were making things worse and that she could not cope. She is also a heavy drinker and many of my childhood memories involve her lying in bed, drunk and crying, ignoring her husbands treatment of us and telling us to "do what he says and stop making her life so difficult".

My brother and I are very close, and always have been. We used to fantasise about my mother leaving her husband and taking us to women's refuge! Several times we tried to encourage her to leave him, but she was never going to.

Fast forward all these years and my brothers and I have each managed to piece together relatively normal lives. We have all had periods of depression and anxiety which I attribute 100% to our upbringing. I am the only sibling not currently on anti-depressants though I have had some very dark periods in my twenties and have done several very stupid and self destructive things.

Since meeting my husband my life had settled down a lot, I am very stable and I know that he adores me and would do anything for me. we make each other laugh constantly, have bought and renovated a house and after a string of shitty minimum wage jobs I finally have a job that I hope allows me to make my way up the career ladder (after kids though I guess)!

Things have been so peaceful and stable for me recently, I even have my Dad back... its only since becoming pregnant that I have started to feel very sad about the lack of relationship with my mother. I feel so angry and let down by her. I feel jealous of other women at work who's mothers are supportive of them at this time and so very sad that this is not a possibility for me.

I have discussed this with my husband and he suggests emailing my mother and letting her know that I am pregnant, just to see what happens. He thinks that having the lines of communication open would be good for me, and that a relationship. albeit limited and distanced with my mother, might be worth trying for.

My husband knows some details of what my childhood was like although I have made an active choice to move on and try not to dwell on or talk about it too much. It makes me sad, my mother is not going to change, and I want to be positive. My husband had a very cosy (almost molly coddled) childhood and although he does understand that mine was abusive he does not have any concept of how bad it really was.

My mother is still married to the same man, and last time I saw them both (years ago) he was as vile and toxic as ever. My mother has not changed and sat and stared out the window while her husband tore into my (now adult, 6 foot) brother over the dinner table, over absolutely nothing. My brother and I ended up leaving, him in tears.

Having said all of this the idea of not telling my own mother I'm pregnant is making me really sorry for myself at the moment. Im not sure if there is any point...she may not respond. Or she may say something nasty. Or she may respond in a positive way, ask to meet up then disappoint me all over again. I would so love to be able to share my news with her and try again to have a relationship, but part of me is terrified to let down my guard and let her into my stable life.

I have tried in the past, by the way, to talk to her via email about what was like for us growing up and that we all need some kind of apology, or at least for her to accept some responsibility. She either cannot or will not even enter into a discussion about it, and the only responses I got were fairly angry and self pitying. She will never acknowledge the past, and indeed, her life is still the same so how could she admit what an utter sham it is?

Wow, this is much longer than I meant it to be. I'm sorry for that! Any of you who have got to the end and who have any words of wisdom for me, I'd be sincerely grateful!

Thank you everyone xx

OP posts:
Bobbins43 · 07/05/2017 17:02

I can understand why you would want to but I wouldn't just now. I don't think you will necessarily get the reaction you want and this is a special, emotional time anyway. I wouldn't try and over complicate things.

I'm sorry your childhood was so rubbish too. Focus on the now. And live your own life.

Bea1985 · 07/05/2017 17:08

Thank you... it's very sad but probably I just need to keep my life calm and simple at the moment :-(

OP posts:
GrimDamnFanjo · 07/05/2017 17:11

No I wouldn't. I think you should consider talking this through with someone neutral too. Pregnancy can play havoc with your emotions and you really don't need any drama in your life right now.
What kind of a relationship could they ever have with your kids? You'd never trust your mother to care for them As a grandparent.

Rafflesway · 07/05/2017 17:16

OP! I HAve been NC with my mother- and all of her family - for almost 30 years and experienced some very similar circumstances to yourself as a child..

My advice would be a BIG FAT NO! Don't do it!! Sorry to say but your mother is never going to change and neither will her husband. Do you REALLY want your much longed for child involved with these people?

What you are hoping for is that imaginary, loving mother people like us always long for? As good people ourselves we find it very hard to believe there isn't a wonderful human being lurking somewhere deep inside our mothers but believe me when I say there isn't, well not in relation to us anyway.

You are in a much better position than I was as you have siblings along with a developing relationship with your father. I had no-one at all except my DH. (My half siblings were to her arse of a husband and were as bad as they were!) Please share your wonderful news with the people who care for you. I did try re-establishing contact too when I was pregnant and our dd was born. It all went disastrously wrong! I think it is the pregnancy hormones which get to us but PLEASE try and ignore them.

Flowers for you as I know how difficult all this is for you. I would also perhaps suggest you contact MNHQ to ask for the cities to be deleted as naming them and your circumstances could prove very identifying.

Justmadeperfectflapjacks · 07/05/2017 17:16

You have moved on amazingly from an abusive childhood. . Don't let her tarnish any of your precious pregnancy /new baby related memories. .
Leave her well behind you.

She was an atrocious dm.
Becoming a gm isn't going to miraculously changer her.

You def don't need her around you or in your new life and family. .

Rafflesway · 07/05/2017 17:18

Sorry shouldn't be a ? after "Longed for". Don't know where that came from DOH!

Whisky2014 · 07/05/2017 17:20

I definitely would not tell her. God no!

TheDogsEatingCaptainAmerica · 07/05/2017 17:21

I'm so sorry you went through that OP.

From what you've said here I'd advise against it. You've done so well to get to where you are now and I completely understand your sudden desire to have a mum in your life but it sounds as though she is still the same person and would only cause more heart ache.

Do you have supportive friends? Sometimes in life we have to make our own family and I hope you have people around you who care for you who you can share your wonderful news with.

Congratulations on your pregnancy

danTDM · 07/05/2017 17:24

Absolutely not. I have been in your situation.
NO< NO

TheLionQueen1 · 07/05/2017 17:27

OP that sounds awful but huge congratulations now! I'm NC with my dad (3 years) and I am 18 weeks pregnant and have absolutely no intention of informing him (sorry I know it's different to your mum). I've also had a few wobbly moments, it was exactly the same when I recently got married and I was wondering whether I should tell him and was getting upset about not having him their to give me away.

Quite frankly right now you need to be as relaxed as possible and enjoying this exciting time with your DH, he sounds lovely and you deserve it after trying for so long. Try not to let her bother you, I know that'll be easier said than done.

Is it possible she may find out from someone else later and get in contact with you?

Flowers for you, you sound very brave and lovely that you have your brother and are close!

Hissy · 07/05/2017 17:29

You want the mum you never had.

If you contact her, she'll hurt you again. She's had her chances, she chose him.

She allowed him to batter and hurt her babies

Let her go, keep on moving forward and away from her. I know it's awful, but this wasn't anything you had any power over. She did. She chose him.

fc301 · 07/05/2017 17:34

Based on your OP I would definitely advise against it. Know that you are in the FOG (fear, obligation & guilt) which is natural. You owe them nothing and as PP says you are hoping for the dream reaction not the real reaction.
I would say right now is your golden opportunity to absolutely protect your child from this nasty toxic abusive, dangerous couple.
Also you would absolutely benefit from counselling as you will likely fear repeating awful parenting mistakes.
Congratulations! Enjoy your wonderful life, be proud you built it. Love your DH. Enjoy your baby. Concentrate on being the best Mum you can be. See your brother. Feel the sun on your face. Embrace all the positives. 💐

Bea1985 · 07/05/2017 17:34

Thank you everyone. Indeed I did not invite my mother to my wedding despite many people telling me I should consider it. I still think I made a wise choice, she would have ruined it. Im sure she found out though, through a relative.

Strangely it's nice to hear from others who are NC with their parents. I mean, I know it must be awful for you all and the reasons for maintaining NC have to be pretty serious.... It's just nice to know it's not just me. I have many close friends and am very close to both of my brothers and their wives.

Being pregnant and emotional makes me weep for my childhood self and mourn the "loss" of my mother even though she is still alive :-(

Rafflesway thank you, I have emailed MNHQ and asked for some details to be removed.... i do not think I can edit it now....

OP posts:
fc301 · 07/05/2017 17:36

At the very least keep your boundaries up until you see evidence of change or remorse.

Timeforabiscuit · 07/05/2017 17:37

No, absolutely not.

Pregnancy and motherhood are also likely to bring a whole load of other things to the surface, things you bury deep. I found certain things triggering, because I was now experiencing situations as a mother and it brought a whole barrage of emotions I really wasnt prepared for.

If you havent done so already, look into some private counselling (you may be lucky and your wirkplace might have an employee scheme covering a short period). Have any of your brothers gone through parenthood? You may find it helpful chatting to them as to how it shaped them as parents?

And congratulations Flowers

sanityisamyth · 07/05/2017 17:37

I didn't tell mine. She found out through the family grapevine and didn't care. We kinda reconciled but she still didn't really show an interest in my DS and has been absolutely no help or support through the last 2 years as I was getting divorced. I managed to piss get off a few weeks ago and she has decided on NC (suits me!) but didn't mention my DS and hasn't asked about him since.

No skin off my nose. If you would rather she wasn't involved, for whatever reasons, don't allow her to be. Good luck xxx

fc301 · 07/05/2017 17:38

The Emotionally Absent Mother by Jasmin Lee Cori.

Bluetrews25 · 07/05/2017 17:54

I only had to read the title to answer a resounding no, do not tell her. The rest of your OP confirmed first thoughts.
Well done on coming this far, and congratulations on your pregnancy.
You want a mother-figure at this wonderful time in your life - to feel the chain of humanity reaching behind you to support you as you are taking it forwards.
She is not a good link in the chain.
When you start looking, you will find an immense sisterhood of support out there - some RL, some MN!

Looking at it on the positive side, at least you can dodge any 'in my day' disagreements, or unsolicited advice that is contrary to current recommendations!

Shayelle · 07/05/2017 17:57

Absolutely No. Flowers

And congratulations Grin

Rareshopkins · 07/05/2017 18:14

Congratulations on your pregnancyFlowers
It would seem to me perhaps you want to connect with a mother you never had. She has had many opportunities to be a mother to you and she has failed, she will fail again. Do not give her that opportunity.
Enjoy this special time and take care.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/05/2017 18:34

She was not a good parent to you and she has not fundamentally altered. She has never apologised nor has accepted any responsibility for her actions.

Your H comes from a good place but his intentions here are totally misguided; he did not grow up within such a dysfunctional family unit like you did and does not fully comprehend her abuses of you and your siblings.

You should not contact your mother under any circumstances; that Pandoras box will not be shut at all easily if you open it. Your child does not need to be involved with either her or her abusive husband.

Do read "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward if you have not already done so.

memyselfandaye · 07/05/2017 18:56

No, your Mother is worse than her husband for doing fuck all while he abused you all.

Concentrate on the wonderful life you are going to give your own baby.

Enjoy your pregnancy, it goes by so fast and contacting her will only add stress that you don't need.

Effzeh · 07/05/2017 19:05

No, categorically not, as others have said. I am in the same situation, but had to do it the silly way by cutting contact after my children had built up a relationship with their grandparents. It was extremely messy and upsetting, both for me and for the children, believe me, you really don't want to go there.

If she behaved that way to you, and has shown no sign of being interested in or able to reflect on her own behaviour, then you getting in touch is effectively giving her the green light to carry on where she left off. Except you will be much more vulnerable now, because you have a child who will be used as leverage. My mother has absolutely tried to play my children off against me - PLEASE do this the sensible way by not walking straight back into the trap.

It's sad that you don't have ILs, but you can find other people to fill that role, who will support you without all the baggage and grief.

Joysmum · 07/05/2017 19:13

Your eyes pregnant. Your hormones will kick in and you'll be so protective of your baby which will take you even further from being able to understand how your mother could stand by and be complicit in the abuse of her children, and still continue to choose him.

She'll never recognise that you were all abused because that would mean she had a choice, or more to the point, still has a choice and responsibility to end it.

It won't happen.

You'll be hurt all over again and this time there's the health of your unborn child to think of.

My dm went no with her mother when she discovered she was pregnant. She made that decision to protect me and give me a normal family childhood. I never missed out on not having another grandmother, never saw it as anything other than normal. When I turned 18 my grandmother gave me a letter through my dad wanting to meet me. I talked to my mum about it only to reassure her she made the right decision and how grateful I was as I could only guess how conflicted she must have felt over the years, despite logic telling her she'd done the right thing. I never met my grandmother and don't regret it despite her having died. If I'd been in touch, it would have changed things, even if I'd never seen her a second time. I was happy with the life my mum gave me and forever with admire her for putting me first like that.

thethoughtfox · 07/05/2017 19:22

Keep yourself and your baby away from mental and physical harm.

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