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Should I tell my estranged mother I am pregnant?

51 replies

Bea1985 · 07/05/2017 16:54

Hi everyone,

I'm writing this as I had a slight emotional breakdown about it today (very unexpected) and I could really use some input from people who are not in my immediate family, or who have possibly been through something similar themselves.

I could write War and Peace about my mother and her husband, but I will try and keep this relatively succinct and reasonable!

I am nearly 10 weeks pregnant and am gearing up towards having my 12 week scan and then the best bit - getting to tell everyone! My husband and tried to conceive for a very long time and could not be happier about this new chapter in our lives.

My husband is 15 years older than me, and sadly his parents are both deceased. I have a "friendly" relationship with my father, who is kind but very eccentric. He also lives in Penzance.

My mother left my father when I was 7 for a man that lived on our estate. They had a long, drawn out affair and were eventually caught by his wife, who called my father in a rage at his workplace and told him. My father subsequently had a nervous breakdown and moved around the world working short term contracts, before finally remarrying and settling in Penzance. From the age of 7 to about 25/26 I had no real contact with my father, despite trying to track him down many times. Long story short we have had several heart to hearts, I have been angry and hysterical at him for "abandoning" my brothers and me and leaving us to our mother and her boyfriend. He has since done what he can to make amends, apologised profusely and has listened while I told him many hard truths. We are now in regular contact and I can tell he is making a concerted effort to be a good friend and supportive father. So at least I have him now.

I have not spoken to my mother for around 5 years. Before that I had a brief, strained attempt at maintaining a relationship with her that lasted about a year. Before that period of contact, I had not had much to do with her, save sporadic contact, since I moved out of home aged 16.

When I was aged 7 (to the point when I was 16) myself and my two brothers lived with my mother and her boyfriend (now husband actually) , dotted with a few long spells at my grandmother's house. I really don't know where to start about my mother and her boyfriend, there is just too much.... In a nutshell my mother allowed her husband to emotionally, verbally and physically abuse her three children. In many cases she was complicit in the abuse. Abuse and neglect were a consistent narrative during my childhood. I could reel off examples of having hair ripped out my him, being strangled, not being fed, him trying to drown my older brother .... these are just a handful of examples out of thousands. My mother's husband is a very toxic and controlling man, with undiagnosed mental health issues. My mother is a very weak, co-dependent creature who let him do what he wanted and if we "kicked up a fuss" would tell us we were making things worse and that she could not cope. She is also a heavy drinker and many of my childhood memories involve her lying in bed, drunk and crying, ignoring her husbands treatment of us and telling us to "do what he says and stop making her life so difficult".

My brother and I are very close, and always have been. We used to fantasise about my mother leaving her husband and taking us to women's refuge! Several times we tried to encourage her to leave him, but she was never going to.

Fast forward all these years and my brothers and I have each managed to piece together relatively normal lives. We have all had periods of depression and anxiety which I attribute 100% to our upbringing. I am the only sibling not currently on anti-depressants though I have had some very dark periods in my twenties and have done several very stupid and self destructive things.

Since meeting my husband my life had settled down a lot, I am very stable and I know that he adores me and would do anything for me. we make each other laugh constantly, have bought and renovated a house and after a string of shitty minimum wage jobs I finally have a job that I hope allows me to make my way up the career ladder (after kids though I guess)!

Things have been so peaceful and stable for me recently, I even have my Dad back... its only since becoming pregnant that I have started to feel very sad about the lack of relationship with my mother. I feel so angry and let down by her. I feel jealous of other women at work who's mothers are supportive of them at this time and so very sad that this is not a possibility for me.

I have discussed this with my husband and he suggests emailing my mother and letting her know that I am pregnant, just to see what happens. He thinks that having the lines of communication open would be good for me, and that a relationship. albeit limited and distanced with my mother, might be worth trying for.

My husband knows some details of what my childhood was like although I have made an active choice to move on and try not to dwell on or talk about it too much. It makes me sad, my mother is not going to change, and I want to be positive. My husband had a very cosy (almost molly coddled) childhood and although he does understand that mine was abusive he does not have any concept of how bad it really was.

My mother is still married to the same man, and last time I saw them both (years ago) he was as vile and toxic as ever. My mother has not changed and sat and stared out the window while her husband tore into my (now adult, 6 foot) brother over the dinner table, over absolutely nothing. My brother and I ended up leaving, him in tears.

Having said all of this the idea of not telling my own mother I'm pregnant is making me really sorry for myself at the moment. Im not sure if there is any point...she may not respond. Or she may say something nasty. Or she may respond in a positive way, ask to meet up then disappoint me all over again. I would so love to be able to share my news with her and try again to have a relationship, but part of me is terrified to let down my guard and let her into my stable life.

I have tried in the past, by the way, to talk to her via email about what was like for us growing up and that we all need some kind of apology, or at least for her to accept some responsibility. She either cannot or will not even enter into a discussion about it, and the only responses I got were fairly angry and self pitying. She will never acknowledge the past, and indeed, her life is still the same so how could she admit what an utter sham it is?

Wow, this is much longer than I meant it to be. I'm sorry for that! Any of you who have got to the end and who have any words of wisdom for me, I'd be sincerely grateful!

Thank you everyone xx

OP posts:
LondonSouth28 · 07/05/2017 19:30

I'm also 10 weeks pregnant (3rd pregnancy) and emotionally I wouldn't be able to cope with an episode of Antiques Roadshow let alone something of this magnitude. Now is not the time, this is the time to focus on you and bringing as much positivity and love as you can around you. It sounds like your mother would bring neither, so I'd shelve it for the foreseeable future. And definitely not within the first 6 months of your baby's arrival - all far too 'emoshe'! Congratulations on your pregnancy xx

Bea1985 · 07/05/2017 19:55

Thanks again everyone, your support means a lot even if it is on MN. Just what I needed.

It's correct that she is worse than him, we were her responsibility. I agree that once I've had the baby I may get even more angry with her, as I will ever even more aghast at how a mother could not protect her babies. Children are so innocent.

It's such a shame really, some women should never have had children. If I was her I'd be devestated at how I'd behaved. But I'm not her and would never have done it in the first place. Her life is very very sad and I am now free but she is not. I know she was useless and amongst the anger and confusion around her behaviour, I also feel pity for her.

OP posts:
Bea1985 · 07/05/2017 19:56

I hope one day she sorts herself out enough to go to counselling. That would be a start.

OP posts:
isadoradancing123 · 07/05/2017 20:04

No def not, any mother who would allow a man to abuse her children does not deserve another chance

tideishighbutimholdingon · 07/05/2017 20:05

Please don't, honestly she won't change and you're so much better off without her.

It took me years to understand the abuse and neglect in my own childhood - I have finally confronted my parents about it and their response has been as inadequate as it was at the time. My DC are 7 and 9 and have a relationship with them which would really hurt them to sever.

I WISH I had gone nc before DC, I really, really do. Please don't invite her back into your life, she doesn't deserve you.

incogKNEEto · 07/05/2017 20:09

No, it would be a really bad idea, she was never the mother you wanted or deserved and she never will be. Letting her into your life again, would open up a whole can of worms, difficult emotions and worst of all the crushing disappointment that she has not changed and never will.

Enjoy the family you have now and close the door on these toxic people. Flowers

SandyY2K · 07/05/2017 20:13

I personally wouldn't want to see her again in my life and as such I would not tell her.

A mother should protect her children, yet she was complicit and allowed you and your siblings to be abused.

That's unforgivable to me and she'd be as good as dead. Sorry, but I do feel quite strongly about it.

Nanny0gg · 07/05/2017 20:33

Please see a counsellor.

You need help to give you strength to keep your new baby away from such hideous people.

Imagine them treating your DC the way they treated you.
Don't let them.

Sn0tnose · 07/05/2017 20:55

Firstly, massive congratulations on your pregnancy 💐

Secondly, don't do it!!! Nothing good can possibly come from giving them even the tiniest opening into your life. She won't have changed and will still believe that you should just keep quiet and do what her husband says. Do you want this man trying to play grandfather? Would you trust her to spend any time with your child?

This is where you get to make a fresh start. You can feel sad for a while because your mother isn't there to share your experiences with you. But then you need to enjoy your pregnancy and all the wonderful family times to come. All the time knowing that your child will never have to go through what you did.

It sounds like your DH is lovely and very supportive but nobody who comes from a loving, supportive family can possibly understand what it means to have a parent who is abusive (I'm nc with my father). You have to put yourself and your emotional welfare first.

Beelzebop · 07/05/2017 21:00

Do not let her anywhere near you. Please xx

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 07/05/2017 21:01

I agree that once I've had the baby I may get even more angry with her, as I will ever even more aghast at how a mother could not protect her babies.

You are very astute to have recognised this. I felt greatly saddened and also very angry once I had children of my own, because I could see how small, dependent and vulnerable they were. You need to grieve for the parents you did not have and let go of the fantasy of them "coming good" with grandchildren. Please protect your baby (and yourself) from any further harm.

As someone else said, your husband's intentions are good but he lacks the understanding or experience to recognise that reopening contact would open you all up to further abuse and heartache. It is very common - people who have had loving, supportive parents really struggle to understand how damaging a dysfunctional home life can be. That's why people with crap families of origin rarely talk about it in real life. Check out the Stately Homes thread in Relationships - you will find support there.

Congratulations on your baby, by the way. Flowers

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 07/05/2017 21:03

Xposted with sn0tnose saying almost exactly the same thing!

Fluffycloudland77 · 07/05/2017 21:09

No, I wouldn't.

Enjoy your pg Flowers

KWebs · 07/05/2017 21:20

In a dream world it sounds nice, but in your shoes, I wouldn't. Kinda similar story for me; no contact with my dad after an emotionally abusive upbringing on his behalf, but I'm very close to my mum. I toyed with the idea of telling him about my pregnancy but ultimately decided he was not worthy to share in such a wonderful time of my life. I knew he would inevitably find out, and when he did he kicked off with an almighty arrogant sense of entitlement like he deserved to know just because he's blood. I never knew how I'd feel about him knowing til it happened. And now I just couldn't give a damn!

The most your mother has done for you is show you how not to mother a child. The further you progress in pregnancy and when your baby arrives, you will likely feel huge amounts of love and a need to protect your babe and it will probably dredge up a lot of emotions and a disbelief that she could betray her children in a way that you couldn't ever imagine doing. It could be healthy and healing for you to seek counselling to better understand how you feel, especially as a baby in the mix could offer further complexities and especially with the hormonal emotions that come after the birth - it might offer you a better footing to enter motherhood! Of course I'm just speculating, you know your emotional strength and you will know what's best for you and your family!!

Congratulations, I'm so happy you're on your way to your much longed for family! I know it's nice for mums-to-be to seek advice and guidance from their mothers, but I've actually enjoyed seeking guidance from friends who are mothers so if you have anyone close to you in that respect it's a nice relationship to have! And I also have enjoyed chatting to other friends who are pregnant with their first babies  there's something really lovely and uniting about going through pregnancy with people in the same boat! Xx

Timeforteaplease · 08/05/2017 08:47

You're doing what all of us who are NC do occasionally - dreaming about having normal parents who are kind and care about you. It's not surprising that being pregnant is making you think about family, but the family you want does not exist and never did.
Focus on your lovely baby and making sure they get the loving family they deserve. Leave that toxic crap in the past.

iknowimcoming · 08/05/2017 09:00

No, you are grieving for the mother you should have had, the one who would be so happy to be having a grandchild, but you sadly don't have that mother, you have the real one who doesn't really care for you. Continue to grieve, get some counselling if you can, write letters to her telling her how you feel but don't send them to her, and talk to your brother about it, don't waste any more time on this woman she was no good for you and won't be any good for your baby. Enjoy your pregnancy Flowers

mistermagpie · 08/05/2017 10:28

I am NC with both my parents and have been for several years, there are good reasons but I'll not go into to full story here as it isn't really relevant. I have two children aged nearly two and six weeks. I got married in 2014, my parents were aware that I was engaged (via other members of tha family) but were not told about the wedding by me, nor were they invited.

During my first pregnancy I wrestled with whether to tell my parents I was having a baby. I felt some sort of duty I suppose, or that they had a 'right' to know. I've no idea why really because they don't even know where I live (for good reason) so why would I tell them about my child? Hormones are funny things though. As it was, I just couldn't bring myself to tell them and time kept passing and I just never did. As soon as my son was born I knew instantly that I had done the right thing in not telling them. This precious boy needed me to protect him, not expose him to people who would not have either of our best interests at heart. I also knew that there was no way my parents could feel even a fraction of the love for me that I felt for my son, not with the way they had behaved, and in a weird way that made things easier.

With DS2, it was a no-brainer. I had no intention of telling them from the start.

My parents may know that I have children, I'm not sure. I am in contact with one family member who knows all about my life, she is in contact with my parents and I have never asked her not to tell them as we don't discuss them at all, but as far as I know she hasn't told them.

Sorry for the ramble but the upshot is that I have never ever regretted not telling them. In fact I am very relieved I didn't. I think telling is opening up dialogue and giving them access to your life again and you can't really take that back.

I know now for certain, and especially now I have kids, that with regard to parents there will be no reconciliation. I would only ever contact them at the request of one or both of my sons in the future because I think it would be unfair to refuse that.

Don't tell. Especially while you are pregnant, emotional and vulnerable. There will always be the option to tell in the future but do it later, when you truly know how it feels to be a mother and the extent to which you would go to protect your child. Don't expose yourself or your child to anything that would hurt either of you. Live your lives in peace, your baby deserves it and so do you.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 08/05/2017 13:09

Following on what

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 08/05/2017 13:21

Oops
No. Silence is golden here.
Following on what mistermagpie said about duty. Your obligation to family duty towards you mother and step father became null and void as a result of their behavior towards you. That is a consequence they brought onto themselves, so it isn't at all like you are punishing them with your necessary boundary. You do not owe them anything.

I agree with leaving the past in the past. I don't do well with the past either; a lot of people don't.

Imho, feel the anger and process it; but don't hang onto it. Anger (and hate) are a connection. The ultimate holy grail is to be completely indifferent.

Good luck and congratulations! Flowers

Notmyrealname85 · 08/05/2017 13:43

At best... you will be on MN every so often saying "how do I cope with absurd mother" and reacting and constantly expecting all the ways she can mess this up

At worst she'll undo all the amazing recovery you've had over the years and spoil a time of your life that should be wonderful

OP congratulations on your news Star you'll do fine without involving your mother. On another point...when does a mother stop being a mother? Maybe when you are raising your own DC you'll see just how far she fell short of parenting you

BlackeyedSusan · 08/05/2017 15:41

the people who are telling you you should contact her have no real understanding of what your life was really like. also they may also hold on to a romantiscied view of motherhood..

another vote no.

there is no remorse there. and she is likely to hurt you again.

Isetan · 08/05/2017 16:58

Pregnancy can be a very emotionally vulnerable time and given your history with your mother, I personally wouldn't extend an invitation to give her yet another opportunity to let you down

Enjoy your pregnancy and wait until the hormones stop messing with your emotions before contemplating inviting a toxic woman back into your life.

NameChange30 · 08/05/2017 17:13

Firstly, congratulations on your pregnancy! I'm sorry it has (understandably) brought up some difficult feelings about your mother. But the abuse you suffered in the past can't take away the joy that a new baby will bring Smile

Secondly, I agree with all the PPs who have said that you definitely should NOT get in contact with your mother.

I have a few suggestions:

  1. Get some support for yourself. You could contact NAPAC, get counselling and/or join the Stately Homes thread.
  2. Make sure your DH understands the full extent of the abuse. You don't have to tell him everything in great detail. But I do think you need to tell him the key facts. Maybe you could write it down if it's too difficult to say the words to him? And perhaps he could read "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward (as well as you, as suggested by a PP) to help him understand what an abusive parent is like and how it may have impacted on you.

Focus on the people who will share and add to your joy. That won't be your mother, but perhaps one or two close friends and other people in your life.

User45632874 · 14/12/2017 19:50

I know this is an old thread but it resonated with me on so many levels.

I have been nc with both of my parents (who are divorced) for a few years.
I am also expecting dc3 in March (all being well). My childhood was not the best - although the abuse I suffered was not to the extent of op - my father was physically and emotionally abusive and my mother just stood by and watched (she admitted when I was an adult that she stayed with my father for material reasons). My mother was never there: I have no memories of going to the park/shopping/activities with my mother who always worked when we were at home/off of school (whereas I have always strived to gain employment around my children). I did not have a close or anywhere near close relationship with either of my parents (apparently, according to mother, I did not want to be picked up and cuddled as a baby/toddler, hence no hugs etc) and my late grandparents practically brought my brother and I up.
I have felt like a weight has lifted since being non-contact with my mother (I became like a parent to her later) and can honestly say I got totally fed up with the negative back chatting she did about me to my siblings and vice versa. I don't miss my parents if that makes sense but I miss what could have been and I do feel sorry for my dcs because they will never know what it is like to have wonderful grandparents like I had - more guilt!
However, since becoming pregnant again, I have wondered if I should possibly initiate reconciliations with my mother (father now lives abroad anyway and that is a total no, no) and this thread has really helped me to put things in perspective, so thank you (but sorry others find themselves in this situation.) I bumped into my father last year after a few years of being estranged and there was absolutely nothing between us - he could have been any elderly bloke off the street. I live a good distance away from my mother but happened to catch a glimpse of her in her car the other day. I felt shocked but there was no longing to get in touch with her. Weirdly, I just wanted to hide - I think this was because I expect her to be angry with me (it will be all my fault, our estrangement, she refuses to except blame for anything), I also felt guilty - because I was the one who initiated the estrangement (more complicating factors which I wont go into here - but a major life event which was the catalyst). I focus on the lovely family I do have and my great dh (who is also 15 years older than me). I just wanted to type this somewhere, I haven't even mentioned my sighting of my mother to dh, the whole thing just seems too distressing somehow. Feel so much better now, having typed this out of my head!

WowAnActualBaby · 14/12/2017 20:01

Similar-ish situation between my DH and his father. Not as traumatic a history but still a lot of hurt leading to estrangement.

We decided to send a card letting him know he would, if all went well, be a grandparent in 6 months time.

Had a cold and distant response and nothing since (DS now 2yrs).

He tries not to let it show but it’s really upset my DH.

Based on our experience I’d suggest letting it be.

Focus on the family you are creating around you :-)

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