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Casual relationship, do they ever turn serious? Not sure how to approach things...

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myteadontlie · 12/04/2017 11:23

I will do my best not to drip feed; situation I am in is very confusing but due to its nature I guess
I have enough time to think (and sadly obssess sometimes) about it.

In early December I met a guy on tinder. We both were looking for something casual. We quickly hit it off, chatted for hours daily and decided to meet… we met almost 2 months later due to family commitments and distance between us.

He is 40, no kids, had 2 serious relationships in his life, one lasted 2 years, the other 5. He ended things with previous partner in June last year, mutual decision as it turned into more friendship like relationship and they just knew they were not right for each other. He comes from a place 1.5hr drive from me but currently lives 3hrs drive, 4 on the train away. Owns a house but rented it and currently rents further away with his married brother.
When we met, he said he is looking for someone nice he could get on with, to meet up now and then mainly for sex but if things turn into something more, he is open to that possibility in the future. Explained that this year is crucial for him as he is developing his own business and he just doesn’t have time for a proper relationship. It suited me just fine then, actually he was more 'romantic' to start with, I was like: no, I really want just a casual thing. I don't think anything more will happen for me in any nearest future, gave up on love etc. But things changed pretty quickly and I started falling for him before we even met.

Me: 37, 1 primary age child, separated almost 5 years ago, DC dad is present , we are civil atm although he cheated, fathered an unwanted child with the OW, did loads of really nasty things to me and basically totally ruined our life and my self-confidence. He was my only proper relationship, we were together for 12 years. I have my own house and regular ‘9 to 5’ work.
Since the split I had a string of dates and 3 of them turned into meaningless arrangements, fwb ones, all of them were helping for short as I felt wanted but at the same time they continued to ruin my self-esteem, as I just felt so unworthy of love and as if I just didn’t deserve anything more. All these fwb ‘finished’ things with me because I kind of showed them that maybe I would eventually want something more (which I know I do) and they just didn’t want. All of them were not right for me, I always knew they were just tossers or not partner material, initially I didn’t even fancy them that much but was desperate for male company and sex was ok and I didn’t want to be lonely. I don’t have any regrets or sadness they finished, I was just sad and humiliated that they decided they don’t want me as a partner, nothing more. Deep down I crave family life or proper decent partnership and I know it was wrong to go on with these arrangements, as I knew they were not right potential partners.

With the new man I knew pretty quickly that he is different. I tried to convince myself that I am just desperate&lonely again, but meeting him took the things to a whole new level. He is just great in many ways – I fancy him massively, we get on so well, we always have stuff to talk about and the sexual side of it is amazing. He seems to be the most caring and respectful guy I have ever met, has his faults but I am old enough to know there is no such things as perfect humans. When we met, I knew pretty instantly that he is more than I could actually wish for... I calmed down a bit since then, as feelings were very intense and a bit overwhelming for me to start with, but I still see him in a very positive - yet realistic light.
I fell in love with him. He knows it although I never said it upfront.

Now, problem. He cannot commit. Says he doesn’t want to be in a serious relationship now, that he has too much on his plate to deal with now, he just wants to stay in touch, meet when we both can and ‘see what happens’. Says that when we met I was everything and more he could ask for but we are in different life stages and he just doesn’t know now what will happen.
The thing is we meet very rarely, once a month for a couple of days and in the next 4/5 months it might be even less, as I have lots happening on too with my job and he has his family commitments and work. He is very close in a good way to his family and brothers, so he does find time for them and his business is his main focus. Due to its nature he works evening and weekends a lot, there are certain times every day when he needs to be on the computer online, he needs a couple of computers to work on, so him working from mine is not really an option. Realistically we can meet for 2/3 days every couple of weeks that he needs to book as days off and make up later. We met a couple of times so far, once stayed at the hotel, twice he stayed at mine and once I visited for him for 5 days, he had to work almost 3 days of that. So in total we spent about 10 full days together since we first met 2.5 months ago. Only the brother he lives with know that we meet, his family or friends don’t, we are not friends on fb. We talk quite a lot about my child but he doesn’t want to meet her (anyway, I would not introduce her that early and never ever though about it with the other guys but with him I do, so in 6months, why not…).

I know most of readers probably already think that he is using/will use me and I should end it, as clearly I want more and am not totally happy. Yes, I am not happy and it’s frustrating but on the other hand I enjoy our time so so much and I do care about him so much… the fact that he is honest and doesn’t play me or promise me stuff makes me even more attracted to him.

I do not know what to do, though. Should I just keep meeting him and let things develop if they are meant to be, or should I let it go? A part of me tells me that he is worth waiting for and I am just insecure, negative and obsessing and overthinking. The other side of me (the ‘experienced’, hurt and bitter one) whispers that it will end up in tears as he won’t commit…. And I should just end this.

The thing is I don’t want to end this. I want to give it a chance and I am happy to wait for him till he sorts himself and his life out, I am just angry with myself that I cannot slow down and enjoy things more and that might scare him off. Saw him last weekend and we spoke about it, I got a bit tipsy and got a bit excited and so on, no drama or tears but he said he does feel a bit less comfortable now as he doesn’t want me to hurt in any way. And it finished with him stroking my hand and saying ‘slow down’…

For now I decide to wait for as lnog as I manage and try to take any pressure off him and myself. Meet when we can, enjoy time together and focus on my life… and see what happens. Then, if he still want this loose arrangement in 6-9 months, decide how I feel and finish it if he doesn’t want to be with me. By being with me I mean being an official couple and start talking about meeting our families, not moving in together or marrying! Is that a good plan?

PS. Yes, I know I am insecure and have issues and sound desperate for a relationship… My self esteem is very low, due to having weight issues and being a ‘giver’ (that wasn’t good enough for my ex, obviously)… I am receiving counselling and try my best to fix myself. It all stems from my totally fucked up marriage failure and, despite having a secure childhood and upbringing, developing this anxious attachement style in my adult life… I know I have issues and need to focus on myself, but on the other hand something tells me I should not give up on this man, as he definitely is a keeper.

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Deadsouls · 12/04/2017 15:32

I mean 'what is your dilemma?'

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Mintychoc1 · 12/04/2017 15:33

OP, being brutally honest, I don't think you will have to make any decisions about where you go from here, because I think he will end it anyway. It sounds as if he is withdrawing already. The bottom line - painful as it is - is that you like him more than he likes you, and being an essentially decent man he's starting to feel guilty about this, and therefore uncomfortable.

I'm also dubious about his very limited availability, and keeping everything secret. Is there a possibility he already has a wife and family? Years of reading mumsnet have made me suspicious!

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 15:33

You are still going on about how wonderful he is but he isn't wonderful enough to make you two exclusive, does that not tell you everything you need to know, it's nothing to do with your past, or how brilliant this guy is, he's not INTERESTED.

I honestly don't know what more he can tell you; to blunt, you are doing just now until he probably does meet a woman he does want a relationship with and you will be royally dumped; do you want to wait for that to happen?

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PoorYorick · 12/04/2017 15:34

OP...you want a relationship. Not a casual FWB situation. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But you will always be unhappy if you don't accept the things you do want and pursue those, rather than attempting to convince yourself you want something else.

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 15:34

Good point Minty.

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Deadsouls · 12/04/2017 15:35

Ach...! This situation reads so painfully. I so know this situation! (Well from what OP has written). Horribly painful

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Cricrichan · 12/04/2017 15:35

My best friend spent 5 years with a fwb in an open relationship. They got on great as friends, had sex, he also slept with other women and he was clear from the start that it was all that it was ever going to be. She's in love with him and because she stayed in this fwb non relationship for 5 years it ruined her chances of finding someone to have children with. A few years ago he did find someone he wanted a relationship with, within a year he was married and they now have a baby.

I'm sorry but if i cared about someone and knew that they had developed feelings for me but i couldn't reciprocate then the decent thing to do would be to end it.

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Deadsouls · 12/04/2017 15:38

This website is very good

www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/the-blog/

All about this kind of situation where one person is emotionally unavailable
Natalie Lue (whose site it is) also wrote a really good book
'Mr Unavailable and the fall-back girl'
Don't be a fall-back girl OP!

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myteadontlie · 12/04/2017 15:44

Yeah I do know about the love bombing and I do have counselling and all... I get that he doesn't want the relationship NOW but maybe in the future. My point is that I cannot see him as user... I offered him friendship only at some point but he says he still wants to meet and to be honest he has adjusted so far to my schedule.
He asked me many times what my friends think about us, I admitted that some of them think I will end up used. And he said that this is it, the society has its fixed ways of looking at relationships and don't see anything apart from black and white and they don't know us, our situation, haven't walked in our shoes. Again, usually I would read this as loads of bollocks but with this guy it makes sense and sounds genuine.
I guess I will cool off the contact a bit, will not initiate chats and meet ups any time soon and see if he initiates. I will fo us on my therapty ajd my life ( although I have been single almost 5 years so no wonders I want someone to be there for me...) Don't see it as game playing but have to protect myself. If 2-3 months down the line I feel still confused and alert about it all, I will say: I just want to be friends now, we can chat sometimea and I wish you all the best... but I fell in love with you and cannot meet you and get intimate without feeling hurt and rejected. Have some time apart, sort your confusion about life and 'us' and get in touch if you get to any conclusions...if I still feel like now, we can take it from there. IF not, or you understand we are not meant to be, then good luck, be happy and no regrets.
Does that make sense?

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Deadsouls · 12/04/2017 15:49

I think what you wrote is perfect, and honest, true to yourself. He may or may not change his mind. You sound like you've got your head screwed on OP. It's hard to tell from a post the true nature of a person. And I hear that you're saying that he is to you a genuine guy.
I think you can only be real and say, 'get back in contact if you want a relationship'. But don't wait around (or at least try not to!)

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 15:52

Nothing to do with society and he would say that considering he only wants you for sex, wake up OP, if you are not happy with just being used for sex (cos that's what FWB is) then move on and find someone better; I don't know very many women who would be happy to be just a sex toy for any man, yes some do but it rarely lasts or turns into a relationship.

You've been seeing him nearly six months, in six months time he will still be telling you the same, that's if he hasn't already moved on to someone who he sees a future with; it's all bull he's giving you about no time and you should listen to your friends, at least they have your back and care, he' doesn't.

You don't sound remotely near ending anything with him, so good luck but I think you are hoping for something that will never materialise.

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TrippyMcTrapFace · 12/04/2017 15:53

I guess I will cool off the contact a bit, will not initiate chats and meet ups any time soon and see if he initiates.

What will you achieve by doing this? He's not into you enough to want a relationship with you, what do you think you'll gain by playing games?

It's interesting that you're telling us 'he said this' or 'he said that' and 'he asked about my friends'. That's just talk and not evidence that he's serious about you.

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SherlockStones · 12/04/2017 15:57

Adora10

Why do you seem jaded in practically every post? It's clear you're bringing up personal experiences here.

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 16:01

Only the brother he lives with know that we meet, his family or friends don’t, we are not friends on fb.

Are you SURE he is not married or in another relationship and why are you letting him call all the shots; it's looking really dismal OP.

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 16:02

Jaded? What the hell are you talking about, it's called constructive advice, sorry I didn't realise you were the Forum Police?

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myteadontlie · 12/04/2017 16:02

It hasn't been 6 months... met him 2.5 months ago in person and 4.5 months online.
I cannot just text him now 'want to end this' because I simply fell in love with him. Hasn't happened to me for ages, it's hard to let go of someone you care for.
And re playing games... I emphasized I do not see cooling off contact as playing games, rather a way of gaining distance and self control. And I write about it all in such detail because I find it therapeutic.
Also, this man motivates me to be better version of myself... the other ones made me a bit crazy and trying too hard but with him I feel so at ease and I can be myself. This is a very important bit that tells me he might be the right one for me. He is very passionate about his career and thanks to talking to him I actually already made positive changes in my own career and lifestyle, also embraced my long lost hobby. So it is not just a good shag I am getting out of it, my life has been enriched by meeting him.
I am just trying to find some balance because I fell head over heels... and I DO understand he might not love me back... but what have I got to loose by waiting a couple of months and enjoying the obvious perks of this situation? The dilemma is how to achieve this and so on.

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 16:03

It's clear you're bringing up personal experiences here.

Would love you to explain this further to me, amazing you seem to know me and my past.

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SherlockStones · 12/04/2017 16:04

Just an a observation from your posts around the forum, as for "forum police" do grow up.

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 16:05

Sorry I thought you had been seeing him since early Dec, ok, well up to you OP, see what happens in the next few months but the fact nobody knows about you apart from his brother is really bad.

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 16:07

Just an a observation from your posts around the forum, as for "forum police" do grow up.

Seeing as I didn't ask for your opinion of my character which, by what you have said couldn't be further from the truth, I'd suggest you concentrate on those asking for advice, it's a shame you can't allow others to have their own say without reading something into it....Confused

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myteadontlie · 12/04/2017 16:13

The interesting thing is what my counsellor says about it... she knows the story and thinks its good and healthy that the pressure has been taken off this relation as it gives both of us time and distance to decide if this is something worth pursuing. She obviously doesn't say: cut the contact off or don't but agreed it's good to go slow, enjoy time together and not obssess as it is likely to scare people away. She also said that people with secure attachement style have actually sensible approach of waiting for things to unfold and from what he told me and I repeated to her, he seems to be a secure attachment style, not Mr. Unavailable. Btw I do know Baggae Reclaim site, was always a good read with previous guy but somehow it doesn't fit that well to this guy and situation. I think he is genuinely not ready for a relationship atm, even said once that it is going to he you this year or no one else... I know 100% he is single and I am pretty sure he doesn't fuck other women.

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TrippyMcTrapFace · 12/04/2017 16:16

but what have I got to loose by waiting a couple of months and enjoying the obvious perks of this situation?

Oh OP, this makes me sad. If you didn't have feelings for him it would be fine.
But you do have feelings for him. In a couple more months, you'll fall for him more, and it won't just be a couple of months. Because when that couple of months has passed you'll be telling yourself all the nice things he's been saying and you'll 'give it a couple more months'. And so on. And if you do eventually walk away your self-esteem will have taken another blow requiring more time for you to get over this one.

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Adora10 · 12/04/2017 16:17

Sorry OP, I think you are assuming a hell of a lot and actually know nothing.

Nobody even knows about you apart from his brother and he won't be friend with you in FB either; you seem to ignore all the red flags and I can understand that when you are in love, I hope it works out for you, I really do but personally I think he's just the same as the ones before except he talks the talk better, his actions are exactly the same.

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TrippyMcTrapFace · 12/04/2017 16:21

X post yet again. If your counsellor thinks it's good and healthy then why are you asking a bunch of randoms here for opinions?
And disagree with the counsellor about him having a secure attachment style. It's ok to go slow at first, to pace things, be open to the relationship developing and really get to know one another. But that's not what's been happening here.

I don't agree with someone from whom your getting professional advice so it's time I stopped posting here. Good luck!

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TrippyMcTrapFace · 12/04/2017 16:22

you're . Can't even blame auto-correct for that one. Blush

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