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DH with serious illness

78 replies

oneleggedfatbird · 01/04/2017 20:51

Long one ...Where to start? Our marriage has been a bit rocky right from the beginning but we love each other (I think) and have the two most amazing kids. 2016 was a horrible year for everyone, but I feel like I must have been Hitler in a former life because it was particularly bloody awful for us. First off, in January, DH gets the sack for telling an annoying colleague to fck off (it had been brewing for a while) and he sank into a depression. We argued, shouted, and were generally very unhappy. It got to the point where we just didn't speak to each other and he liked to call me horrible names that he he knew would upset me (on a positive note, I have now taken ownership of cnt so it doesn't bother me so much any more). Roll on to summer, I ask him if he wants to salvage the marriage and if so, we need to go to Relate. He agreed! So in August, we started, things went reasonably ok (or so I thought) and we started getting on better by October. We had a month or so af relative calm then he was diagnosed with a brain tumour at the beginning of December. I thought he'd had a stroke so dragged him to the GP, who referred him to neurologist, who scanned him and found a tennis ball sized lump in his head! We get through Xmas and new year waiting for op date, and finally got one for mid Jan. It was a massive op, bloody awkward position. Histology came back as it being an aggressive cancer, which we weren't expecting, a big shock. The whole episode to this point was unbelievably stressful. He was weirdly oblivious to what was going on. Four days post op, I cracked; he had a go at me for forgetting something. I ran away, I told him I'd had enough. I have a long history of depression and anxiety, and really don't deal well with stress and I just snapped. I wasn't thinking straight and just left. I didn't see him for ten days dying which time, he'd been discharged and was staying with a friend. We slowly started communicating and he came home, but he has told me that he wants to live somewhere else, but we stay married. He is undergoing radiotherapy and I am taking him to the hospital every day, dealing with his meds, and generally nursing him. He has found a flat and is moving out in May. Now, yesterday, he got cross with me because I got irritated at him. But he wouldn't stop badgering me, taking the piss, making sarcastic comments, but I didn't respond, just cried. Because I have tried my best to make up for leaving him, I have really tried to make our marriage work. And he is so angry at me. He called me a c*nt twice, loudly in public and said how dare I leave him. Then he threw his wallet at me. I don't know if I want to stay married to him. He was horrible before all this but it seems to have made him worse. Oh god, what I'm asking is, how long would you stay with someone who abused you in public, when you know that they're I'll. Thanks!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/04/2017 09:01

While a certain amount of personality changes might be experienced due to the natural reaction to diagnosis and treatment, not everyone with a brain tumour will experience personality changes that could be classed as problematic.

I would maintain that OPs H has been abusive to her throughout much, if not all, of her marriage.

NormaSmuff · 02/04/2017 09:03

you have no idea atilla.

ohdoadoodoo · 02/04/2017 09:04

How convenient for him that he's aware enough to point to his head and say "tumour" after being rude to avoid any consequence, yet he's seemingly unable to stop the word "cunt" coming out of his mouth and lobbing his wallet at the OP.

kittybiscuits · 02/04/2017 09:04

This is a both/and situation. He was abusive and unpleasant before the tumour. He's worse now because of the tumour.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/04/2017 09:04

"There's a bit of me though (and I'm prepared to be lambasted for this) that thinks he's manipulating the situation somewhat"

I am not going to lambast you here; I think he continues to remain manipulative. He still wants you to take care of him no doubt as well when he moves out regardless of your children as well. Abusive people do get seriously ill as well; ill health anyway is no respecter of persons.

NormaSmuff · 02/04/2017 09:06

it is an aggressive cancer.
some of you are so quick to say LTB without thinking of the whole picture. or at least the picture that the op is showing us.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/04/2017 09:07

"you have no idea atilla".

Why did you write that. You have no basis to write that at all.
I saw my late FIL die from a malignant brain tumour.

NormaSmuff · 02/04/2017 09:09

I would maintain that OPs H has been abusive to her throughout much, if not all, of her marriage.

you wrote this atilla.

you have no idea of the marriage of this op

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/04/2017 09:09

If the OP herself thinks that her H is manipulating the situation then I accept her feelings on the matter. After all they live together currently till he moves out into this flat across town.

Heatherjayne1972 · 02/04/2017 09:10

I think it's time to look after yourself
Seperate homes is probably a good idea right now
Can you speak with the Macmillan people op?
Do you have support?

scottishdiem · 02/04/2017 09:11

All tumours are different. But it's as if people haven't heard of Phineas Gage. Which, since they are apprently brain damage experts, you'd think that would be otherwise.

Patchouli666 · 02/04/2017 09:11

The change in my lovely friend diagnosed with a brain tumour was devastating- gone from always kind, thoughtful to brash, inappropriately rude and sometimes shouty. She said in quiet times that she often did want to say these things before but never did but now had no filter or off switch especially when stressed. It just came out and she couldn't be arsed to care.

A brain tumour is not like any other cancer or illness. It is, due to its location, pressing inwards on the healthy brain and causing behaviour dysfunction appropriate for the area it is pressing on. Other tumours have space, the body is flexible to accommodate them. In the brain with the fixed skul, there is no room for manoeuvre.
It's an awful diagnosis. So sorry. Look after yourselves.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/04/2017 09:12

Calling a marriage a bit rocky from the beginning is a red flag indicative of problems within it. Also its now very convenient for him to point to his head say the word "tumour" after calling the OP rude names to divert any consequences for his actions. What has he done here to make the marriage work, it seems that the OP has herself carried it all.

swizzlestar · 02/04/2017 09:44

I really feel for you, it sounds absolutely awful.

My dm has, somewhat miraculously, survived two brain aneurysms. Not unscathed I might add, they have quite literally changed her personality, and not in a good way. I think she's aware of some of it, and she definitely plays on it. She's always had hypochondriac tendencies, and now she actually has something properly wrong with her! She does however always say she hasn't ever felt the same since they were inside her brain.

HarmlessChap · 02/04/2017 09:55

Lots being said about how the OP is stressed and so are their DCs but the guy has terminal cancer and is being told he's going to be dead within 5 years that's going to be pretty stressful for him too.

I can't imagine how it must have felt 4 days after the op for his wife to leave him, and go NC for 10 days, for a friend to take him in when he was discharged, rather than go to his home.

Whether he's moving out because he doesn't love her any more, doesn't want to be let down again or to shut himself away from his family as he declines I don't know but the harsh fact is this isn't going to be a long term problem for the OP.

NancyWake · 02/04/2017 10:06

I know two people who died of aggressive brain tumours and their characters changed beyond recognition. Aggression, mood swings, bizarre behaviour.

This is hard to say OP, but unless it is operable, you're not going to have this problem for very long.

NormaSmuff · 02/04/2017 10:08

op you come across as extremely self centred. but that is your right I guess. it must be extraordinarily hard

your question was how long would i stay with someone who abused me in public, knowing they were ill.

you need to take advice from macmillan or something similar. do you have family and friends to confide in?
you say you love your dh

NancyWake · 02/04/2017 10:10

Btw, my uncle was told 5 years and he lasted 9 months.

ElspethFlashman · 02/04/2017 10:10

Brain tumours are so cruel. I have worked on oncology wards where patients with brain tumours acted like absolute monsters. Their families were in bits. My own Dad died of a brain tumour and it changed his personality but the other way - he basically stopped having any personality. Still, knowing the agressive uninhibited alternative I was grateful as at least there was no name calling.

I think it is fair to say OP that you will never be able to unpick what is asshole behaviour and what is the tumour. However he is going to die. I would be surprised if it's anything like 5 years. It's agressive, tbh he probably won't get the 3 years. I find that oncologists always give the best case scenario.

And he has a right to want to live the rest of his days away from a toxic marriage.

ElspethFlashman · 02/04/2017 10:11

I can't imagine how it must have felt 4 days after the op for his wife to leave him, and go NC for 10 days, for a friend to take him in when he was discharged, rather than go to his home.

I have to admit I am also very taken aback by this.

NormaSmuff · 02/04/2017 10:12

you said they thought the tumour had been there for 10 years op
has he been getting worse in the last 10 years do you know?
i spose its hard to remember more than 10 years ago

nackle · 02/04/2017 10:43

You're not being self centred, OP. You need to think of your
own well being, you have a duty to your DC too.

Fwiw, my DP had a stroke a couple of years ago and it brought
aspects of his behaviour to the fore that I'd tolerated for years.
I was his crutch, his skivvy and no longer an equal partner in
fact he didn't even see me as his friend. No intimacy, not even
any physical touch like a hand hold or pat on the shoulder.
This was my norm for many years.

Then he did something which was my last straw. The upshot
is he is my stbx, and it's made our relationship a 100 times better.
Now he treats me with respect. I would never have him back, I live
alone and barely see another soul for weeks on end but my life
is so much better now the stress has gone.

Do what you need to do for your sanity OP. It seems your DP
knows too that he needs a change to get well. You don't have
to prostrate yourself because he is ill, you will be more use to
him if you aren't stretched beyond endurance being used as
his Aunt Sally.

notapizzaeater · 02/04/2017 10:50

It must be hard to be around him if he is so abusive - does he have nice days ? Is it his personality or his tumour speaking ?

I'd grab the counselling and see how you feel

oneleggedfatbird · 02/04/2017 12:25

It was a horrible thing to do, I know that. It wasn't a rational action and I beat myself up every day about it. He couldn't have come home on discharge because of our living situation and his disabilities. He only came home when he could manage the awkward arrangements.

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oneleggedfatbird · 02/04/2017 13:23

You're right, I am feeling incredibly self centred right now, the situation is battering my head. The man I love is dying and our relationship is definitely toxic. I think him moving out is the best option, maybe it will rescue our marriage. However, I feel as though whatever I do, it will be wrong for everyone.

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