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Its not normal for parents to say negative things to their child is it?

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lottieandmia · 06/03/2017 02:01

I'm an only child. My mother has always been very critical of me although she would fiercely deny it. Now that I have three daughters of my own I couldn't ever imagine saying the things that she did to me, to them. As a parent I never say anything negative to my children about who they are or what they do.

Examples;

I was good at art. Not as good as my dd but good enough to have got an A at GCSE. My mum said I wasn't very good at it and it made me decide not to study it further. My dad was a graphic designer so it was normal that I should have been interested in it.

Always telling me other people were better than me at things.

At school I was in the choir and in competitions she would point at another school and say 'they were better'

In dance competitions she would say to me afterwards 'don't do X, Y or Z - it looks silly'

I ended up feeling that I would never amount to much. And my parents gave me no direction or support. Because of this I worry constantly that I don't give my children enough support or whether I should be doing more to encourage them. This is partly because I've had various mental health problems and one of my psychiatrists said that my problems are partly to do with lack of support/direction from my parents.

I always tell my children constantly how good they are at something or how well they did at it. I never, ever compare them to someone else. It just feels so wrong to me.

Is this something anyone else can identify with?

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lottieandmia · 07/03/2017 10:14

My mum was treated badly by her mother but she is the same. Her mother didn't bother to feed her children properly and frequently came home drunk with strange men who sometimes became violent and it was left to her brother to try to get rid of them.

But she will say 'oh well at least she kept us all together and bought us colouring books on rainy days' uh...ok

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ChaircatMiaow · 07/03/2017 10:16

I could have written almost every post here.

Rationally, I can see that her problem isn't really with me, it's with herself, but unfortunately I'm now hard wired to believe that it's all my fault.

And here ultimately is the million dollar question: how do we all break the cycle, move on with our lives, leave the past behind and repair our shattered self esteem?

lottieandmia · 07/03/2017 10:31

I don't know Chair - I've had a lot of psychotherapy which certainly has helped. My counsellor also tried to give me some guidance on how to make sure I take care of my own children's emotional needs. I've managed somewhat to break the cycle of abusive men, mainly by just not dating at all.

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Lalunya85 · 07/03/2017 10:39

chair For me, around four years of weekly (sometimes more) psychotherapy (the lying-on-the-couch type, but there are other approaches).

That in itself didn't "cure" it. It's just one piece of the puzzle. But it really helped me to have a space where I could disentangle all the negative thoughts and fears I was carrying around with me. I realised, that a lot of the time my internal voice wasn't really my own, it was my mum's voice that I had internalised. Understanding that helped me "filter" these thoughts more, and eventually they became quieter and more positive and relaxed thoughts started to replace them.

Lalunya85 · 07/03/2017 10:39

*sorry, punctuation fail in the above...

DevelopingDetritus · 07/03/2017 11:58

"If you live for peoples acceptance, you will die by there rejection". Lacrae
I like that!

DevelopingDetritus · 07/03/2017 12:00

"i'm so proud of you, you worked really hard and produced the best picture you've ever done. Yes that's much better.

Lissette · 07/03/2017 12:07

chair I've been trying to do this at the moment. I've not had therapy in relation to my dysfunctional family of origin. I now recognise their patterns of behaviour and mine - its a bit like going through a divorce from your parents. They live very far away so I won't bump into them. I've set about working out what my personal values are, what's important to me so that I can come up with a mission statement for me ( like companies and organisations do). It's what I believe to be important not what my family wants me to do/ be to control me in their role for me.

I'm taking more care of myself and have identified what I want to achieve in terms of fitness, my family and career. I've taken them and their views out of my frame of reference. It is very liberating.

Lissette · 07/03/2017 12:11

'fitness, my family and career.' - my family in this instance is the family I created for myself, including friends

herdingmonkeys · 07/03/2017 20:02

Is there any help out there for us? Any self help books or websites. I am 36 with two DC and I can't live in the shadow of my mums cruel upbringing anymore. I can still envision her spitting"thick" and "gutless" at me and I just want to move on

lottieandmia · 07/03/2017 20:15

There is a book called 'Toxic Parents' by Susan somebody...

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CigarsofthePharoahs · 07/03/2017 20:39

This thread makes emotional reading for me.
My mum was always very critical during my childhood. On questioning it later as an adult the replies I got were basically that she was trying to encourage me to do better.
Hmmm.
I'm halfway through the "Parenting Special Children" course - which I really recommend. We had a session about praise recently. The gist being that you can't over praise a primary school aged child, children who learn to self praise are much more confident and less likely to crumble under pressure, school time will give them all the criticism they need.
There was a pertinent example given. You offer someone a biscuit, but before they can take it, you whip it away.
Its the same as saying "Well you did quite well on X task today, but you really could have done better. Try harder next time."
You've given praise, but then promptly taken it away again. All the child will remember is the criticism.
Its just what my mum always did. In the end I concluded I'd never be good enough, so what was the point even trying?
Whereas telling your child that you're proud of them anyway, they tried their hardest and that's what matters will build them up.
I'll stop, I'm rambling now.

marriednotdead · 07/03/2017 22:03

For herdingmonkeys and anyone else who would like to safely share experiences and support with other survivors of toxic childhoods The stately homes thread

wobblywonderwoman · 07/03/2017 22:15

I am going through all of this at the moment. My mother has rarely said a good word about me.. It took up until I became a mother myself to realise how destructive she is. I protect myself now.

I walk out if she is cruel- and she can be cruel. She is very much attention seeking, fakes illness, has a nasty tongue. Ruins special occassions that are not about her.

It is so upsetting. I dont want to spoil my children but I want them to know they are good at what they are good at. They are loved and we will be there for them through everything.

Even after a csection she mocked me that I was too posh to push. That I have bad skin, let myself go, look my age. More fool her, she has lost a good daughter because of her vile ways.

nigelforgotthepassword · 08/03/2017 11:07

Cigars- that thing about the biscuit is it totally for me.
Even when I'd done well my mum would acknowledge it but there would always be a 'but'.And now I don't recognise it if I've done well at something, I'm always criticising my own achievements and thinking I could have done better.
Additionally to this she will literally pick fault or contradict 90% of what I do or say.Its just exhausting. I started to think the other day that I wouldn't put up with it from anyone else so why do I out up with it from her? It's such an odd dynamic the mother daughter one anyway-but especially when it's faulty.

reallyanotherone · 08/03/2017 13:56

Cigars- my mum used to physically do that to me.

I'd get a gift or a present. Then if i misbehaved she'd threaten to take it away. She actually did with with my dd once, got her a birthday gift, the at the end of the shopping trip dd got a bit weepy amd emotional, as tired 3 year old do, and the words "do you want me to take the gift back to the shop" actually came out her mouth in trying to get her to quieten down and get in the car.

I worked out pretty quickly i couldn't maintain the standard of behaviour to earn the gift in the first place, and then to not have it taken away. Nobody can be perfect all the time, and kids will fuck up. Even now i hate receiving gifts.

marriednotdead · 08/03/2017 21:27

Nothing I did was ever good enough. Vividly remember getting 98% in a maths exam in secondary school and skipping home thinking how pleased my father would finally be with me. 'So why didn't you get 100% then if you're that clever?' was the sneering pin in my balloon of happiness.

Aroundtheworldandback · 08/03/2017 21:52

Not read all replys yet but I think you're right about the not comparing to others I'd never do that to my kids.

BUT there is a thought out there at the moment that it's NOT beneficial to children's self esteem to praise anything and everything but to save it for when you really mean it. If you praise everything they are not foolish and it will have the opposite effect.

Mumfun · 08/03/2017 22:12

Yes Unicorn . The same here. Im sure my mother has NPD and I have been no contact for several years.

Had some counselling and learnt that 1) I was lucky as Id had a loving extended family and that helped me cope with parenting as Id had some positive role models and some care from grandparents etc. 2) I was very focussed on providing a loving environment as Id not had that myself 3) I had become used to being poorly treated and had let ExH also do that to me.

I think unfortunately thats common. You expect poor treatment as thats all you have known.

Before I went no contact I did challenge dear mother and told her that she had never said a nice thing about me my whole life. And she hadnt.

I was scapegoated and it can be eye opening to look up what that means. And my mother would have done it to my children if I had let her but I'm glad I have been able to protect them from her.

lottieandmia · 08/03/2017 22:37

Nobody's saying you have to praise everything. But I do think negative comments have no place when you're trying to raise a child with healthy self esteem.

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lottieandmia · 08/03/2017 22:46

Does anyone else also find that their parent falls out with other people (work colleagues for example) and then tells a story which really sounds like they are the victim of a particular injustice? But then you wonder if the way they are telling it is accurate because of your own experiences.

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nigelforgotthepassword · 08/03/2017 22:51

Yes-my mum used to talk ably work colleagues as if they were out to get her-for no reason.I believed her side of it.
Now I'm not so sure.

lottieandmia · 09/03/2017 10:11

I'm not so sure either. I don't think my mum sees things clearly. I decided to cut contact with her brother because he deliberately left my disabled child out and gave her sisters £10 each. I sent the money back to him. My mum says that everyone she has told about this thinks I'm unreasonable. I imagine she hasn't actually told them the truth.

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herdingmonkeys · 09/03/2017 11:35

Feels such a 'relief' to read these things. Lottie - yes it has dawned on me that my mum tells her own version of events, which suit her entirely and dont reflect the truth. Even simple things like " the Drs can't work out what's wrong with me" .. er yes they did mum but you don't follow their advice so feel unwell again... She paints herself as a victim, martyr. Just so exhausting ..

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