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In love, need to leave but I'm struggling.. Help!

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aimzox · 09/02/2017 10:53

Hello All
I've not posted here before, but have read a lot of threads and love the honest advice, so, here I am!

I have been with my OH for 3years, 8 months. We met online, and lived 150miles apart. As a result of this I moved in with him after 6 weeks. I know this was too fast, but at the time it felt right.
NB; he owns his own house outright

It was all Ok for the first year, we spoke about the future, he was doing his house up and working (self-employed), I got a new job up here, things looked good! His family were (are!) lovely, and wonderfully accepting. Of course, things have changed. His family are still lovely, he is still doing the house up - nothing has really changed, other than the installation of a wood burner and removal of the old bathroom, the rest of the house and garden is a building site. The changes are, to me at least, huge;
He no longer really works (last year his annual income was a few £ over my monthly income), this doesn't seem to bother him, and what money he does earn he spends on stuff that's not important - I pay ALL of the bills/food/fuel/insurances etc. He is cross - at life seemingly. He doesn't want to get married (it's too much of a risk - despite me having an agreement written up to protect his home), he doesn't want to have children, at least not in the near future (he has a 13 YO dog, that's responsibility enough for him, he wants a good few years to himself with no responsibility), though I don't think he ever see's himself as being a dad. And I completely respect that, but I always thought I'd be a mum, and still want to be. I'm 32, he's 41, so my time is short (being realistic). I also do everything in the house, I cook and clean (I like doing this!), but when I come home from work and there is a bowl of washing up to do and mess everywhere and the bed isn't made, it really gets to me. I feel sad a lot of the time.

I have awful credit, so didn't expect to be able to rent around here. I've been looking for somewhere for around 8 weeks - we had a big row and I knew it was done (he questioned where all my money went - BTW - MY wages is OURS apparently). I found a little house, and out of interest 'wasted' agent fees on referencing. Turns out it wasn't a waste - I passed! And I can move in on 13th March.

My dilemma is this; I love him. I feel responsible for him. He suffers with health anxiety (made worse by my Crohn's disease which I don't talk about incase it sets him off), and I don't know how he would cope emotionally and financially if I left. I know he's not my responsibility, but I feel responsible for him.

My mum is behind me 100% whatever decision I make, I am just so scared. I will miss the cuddles, the affection, but is that enough to stick around? I know I couldn't sacrifice having (or at least trying) for children.

I am really stuck (and scared). I know in my heart of hearts that the relationship has just become habit, that we just live together, that I fully support the household on my income (it's not great - I'm only a PA), we don't go on holiday (we've never been on holiday together), we don't go out (he hates leaving the dog), hell I don't even get to watch TV in the evening, it's all YouTube videos or music that he likes. I really don't think he knows what he's doing - I think he just see's it as it's his house, it's what he likes, so what the hell!

Should I just sign the tenancy agreement and move out? If so, when do I tell him? Shall I start bringing it up now? If he knows I'm off, he can ask me to leave now, I don't have anywhere to go (a 150 mile commute from my mums' wouldn't work!), or shall I speak with him first (this weekend)? Ask him if we can have a family? If - when - he says no, is that my time to say I want one, and that it's a deal breaker?

Sorry to ramble and thank you for all and any advice!

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aimzox · 09/02/2017 13:23

Thanks again all;

Loftella - Sorry to hear you are going through similar, but glad you are trying to resolve it. It must be made so much harder by being married and having a family.

HarmlessChap - I know what you mean, but his house was actually bought outright with inheritance, so he didn't have to work to pay for that, either. He doesn't charge me rent, I think that's why he feels Ok to tell me to pay all of the bills (including fuel, tax, insurance and service/MOT on his van...), buy all of the food, and pay any vet bills/family meals with his parents/everyone's Christmas presents etc.. If he contributed in any way I wouldn't mind so much paying everything else! It actually works out cheaper for me to rent!

I think the big issue that is underlying everything else is the future - we want such different things.. His ex before me had a daughter, he was in her life for 4 years, and see's that as his go at parenting (he's still in touch with the daughter), so I don't see any point in pushing him. Either I'll resent him for not having them, or he'll resent me for having them Sad

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aimzox · 09/02/2017 13:27

Thanks again all;

Loftella - Sorry to hear you are going through similar, but glad you are trying to resolve it. It must be made so much harder by being married and having a family.

HarmlessChap - I know what you mean, but his house was actually bought outright with inheritance, so he didn't have to work to pay for that, either. He doesn't charge me rent, I think that's why he feels Ok to tell me to pay all of the bills (including fuel, tax, insurance and service/MOT on his van...), buy all of the food, and pay any vet bills/family meals with his parents/everyone's Christmas presents etc.. If he contributed in any way I wouldn't mind so much paying everything else! It actually works out cheaper for me to rent!

I think the big issue that is underlying everything else is the future - we want such different things.. His ex before me had a daughter, he was in her life for 4 years, and see's that as his go at parenting (he's still in touch with the daughter), so I don't see any point in pushing him. Either I'll resent him for not having them, or he'll resent me for having them sad

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Tenshidarkangel · 09/02/2017 13:51

Referencing the -sexy- Matthew Hussy here:

Women have a time limit of fertility. If she is in her 30's that time limit is slowly going down and her window of opportunity leaving. A man can have a child at any point in his life. A women has a window in which to accomplish this (after this it's very difficult). If you are a man and don't want children (ever or in the near future) and know she does and is in her 30's the kindest thing to do is leave and let her find what she wants with someone who wants it with her.

Gingerbreadlass · 09/02/2017 13:52

Sign that tenancy agreement!! Don't dilly dally for heaven's sake!!

Don't tell him until a day before, I think you owe him nothing. You're not his Mum or housekeeper or bank.

chipmonkey · 09/02/2017 13:58

HarmlessChap, just because she's effectively getting accommodation free doesn't mean that she should pay all HIS bills. Why should he get his electricity bill paid when he's using half the electricity? He doesn't have a mortgage to pay so it's not even an I'll-pay-this-so-you-pay-that agreement.

OP, even if he did agree to have kids, he'd be an awful father. You would be run ragged, working and paying childcare.

He managed for 40 years without you and you're not his responsibility.
Sign the tenancy!

HarmlessChap · 09/02/2017 14:04

I know what you mean, but his house was actually bought outright with inheritance
I guessed as much which is why I worded it the way I did, not suggesting that he worked for it or paid off a mortgage, as given the details you said I would have been surprised if he had been able to!

But the fact remains you want different things regarding a family.

Gooseygoosey12345 · 09/02/2017 14:11

Just leave. You need to get out of that situation. If he decides he wants to change then you can still work on it without living together but honestly, I don't think that will happen by what you've said. Don't hang around for someone who isn't giving you what you need/want and is using you as maintenance. You deserve more. And think of the money you'll save Wink

LaPharisienne · 09/02/2017 14:12

I suspect you'll never look back once you've left him.

Don't waste any more time! Rent that flat, meet someone new, have children, be happy!

HouseworkIsASin10 · 09/02/2017 14:16

Move out.

Don't ask 'one last time' if he will have children with you, if you tell him you are moving out then of course he is going to tell you what you want to hear.
Then it's another few years wasted.

Get out now!!

DistanceCall · 09/02/2017 14:20

Get out. You're throwing your life away, and your window to have children is narrow. He's not an invalid. He'll be hurt (mostly because he has such a cushy deal right now), sure, but he'll be fine.

hellsbellsmelons · 09/02/2017 14:22

Do NOT have kids with this lazy fuckwit!
You will be doing everything. Literally everything.
No way.
He is not catch.
He's living off of your wage.
Get out and then get out there and enjoy your 30's!!!

aimzox · 09/02/2017 15:29

You are all wonderful! Really you are!

I have an appointment with the estate agent Monday....

One thing - shall I tell him? I have nowhere local to work I could stay, and not enough annual leave to take the time off. I'm considering asking my manager if I can work from 'home' for a few of weeks and go to my mum's, but I don't think she'll allow it for that long. Is it bad of me to keep quiet until the week I move, take that week off and be ready to go as soon as I've told him?

He really isn't an ogre, we're just not compatible it seems - I think someone who has had their children and is happy supporting him would be well suited for him..

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nobeer · 09/02/2017 15:41

I wouldn't tell until the day before if you're worried he's going to kick you out. Start moving important bits and pieces out, and make sure you transfer the bills and direct debits to his account.

hellsbellsmelons · 09/02/2017 15:46

Don't tell him until you are fully ready and packed up.
Sounds harsh but he will just talk you around otherwise.
Sit it out.
Wait until the day before or even the day you leave.
Good luck OP.

Zaphodsotherhead · 09/02/2017 15:46

Are you going to tell him why you are leaving? How can a man who's got to the age of 41 possibly think it's all right to move someone in and not work but live off their money? What does he think he is bringing to the relationship (apart from a house)?

Who the hell is going to be 'happy supporting him'? He's not ninety...

OutToGetYou · 09/02/2017 15:55

Go.

You can rent short term via 'spare room.com' or Airbnb near to where you work if you need to. Or, just live with it for the next few weeks and tell him the day before you go.

Don't tell him until you are ready to move, as you say, he could chuck you out and that would be mayhem.

ReginaPhalange1 · 09/02/2017 15:58

You're asking a question to which you already know answer to!
You need to look after number one..
Good luck

May50 · 09/02/2017 16:03

Sign the tenancy! Leave. Do not have children with him , he will not change. I have recently separated after a decade with a manchild - (but he didn't have a house!) much harder to leave if you have Children together. You are still young .

DistanceCall · 10/02/2017 00:06

Don't tell him until immediately before. You've been paying for everything and doing everything for a long, long time. The least he owes you is a few days' further stay. You'll be doing nothing wrong.

LellyMcKelly · 10/02/2017 01:48

You are his housekeeper, and working full time so you can pay for the privilege of doing so? Dear God, woman, sign the lease. You've got yourself a cocklodger.

TheBeastInMsRooneysRoom · 10/02/2017 02:04

You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by moving out. Don't let this life 'happen' to you. You know you want children, there are no guarantees, but you owe it to yourself to try.

LellyMcKelly - he's the landlord really, so more of a CockLord.

aimzox · 10/02/2017 08:00

Thank you everyone. I wish the niggling doubts would go away and just let the determination to leave take the stage.
Should it be this hard? I know in my gut it's the right thing to do but my heart keeps telling me to stay because I love him, but do I? I mean, yes I do, but is it the right kind of love? That I doubt.. And then I'm worrying about how I tell him! Crikey this is hard.....!!

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TempusEedjit · 10/02/2017 08:21

You're in love with the person you want him to be, not who he actually is. Sounds like he was slightly more motivated in life when he was single because he had no choice but to work etc, then as soon as you came along to wait on him hand and foot he reverted to his true self.

It's hard because you don't want to have "wasted" the past 3 1/2 years with him, however Google "sunk costs fallacy".

ohbollox22 · 10/02/2017 08:32

He's taking you for a mug!
Never been on holiday? That's not right. He obviously doesn't want any more than he's got - someone to pay the bills, cook, clean and look after him. You might as well be his mother.
Don't tell him as I think he'll guilt trip you in to staying. Tell him once you've gone. Good luck

Zaphodsotherhead · 10/02/2017 13:04

That's not 'love'. It's 'habit'. You can break any habit given sufficient motivation.

You have that motivation. Go.