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My partner is Indian and I am White British

92 replies

brightonrockk · 07/01/2017 22:36

I have met someone at University, we're both 19 and have been together for a year. I met him in halls so for the first 9 months we were living together. I am deeply in love with him, and I know he loves me too.

He comes from South India, where he lived for the first 8 years of his life before his family moved to the UK for work and education reasons. They have since moved back due to the ill health of my partner's Grandmother, but his parents were always planning to move back as they really belong in India. That's where they're currently living although they come back and forth at present to sort out the move.

They are very conservative, the mother especially. His father is less so. I am very in the dark about how they really feel about me - it's not something my partner really discusses with them for avoidance of confrontation (which has become especially important to him since his Grandmother's illness) - so I apologise for lack of real detail.

His mother hates him being in a relationship full stop. My partner has a twin, and he also has a girlfriend, but she is Indian. His mother doesn't want to know about her either. His Mum has told him something along the lines of if he doesn't marry an Indian she wants nothing to do with him (I think this is when he first told her he has a girlfriend though so may have been very heated once she found out that on top of that I'm white). His Dad has said that "it must be a good thing if [I] make [my partner] happy". His Dad once said something about having me over for dinner, his Mum doesn't even want to set eyes on me.

My partner recently went back to India to see his family. When he went he refused to skype me apart from on Christmas day where he said he had to go after 15 minutes. He wouldn't skype me in fear of upsetting his Mum.

I don't know what to do, I feel very in the dark about this and completely out of my comfort zone. We make each other so, so happy. I would like to move in with him next year, but being at University means his parents will be paying part of the rent and so the decision is really up to them. I know when my partner asks the answer will be no.

Sometimes I get very worried about what our future holds. I love him, really love him, and I can see a future with him, but I'm unsure as to if and how a relationship can flourish if his parents are going to do everything in their power to stop that.

He is a very loyal son. His parents sacrificed a lot for him to have a good life, and he knows that. The last thing he wants to do is upset them. They are ultimately his priority. I've asked him "if they told you right now to dump me, would you?" and his answer was "Right now? No". But what if when we finish university they tell him, what if they force him into it? I feel scared. I know nothing about how Indian parents see relationships - it's an alien way of thinking to someone who's grown up in a very western world.

His parents were an arranged marriage, my Dad was divorced when he met my Mum and they married after 4 years of courting. His Mum won't look at me, my parents let him sleep in my bed when we visit them. His Mum wants him to marry an Indian girl, my parents would be happy if I married an Indian girl, black man, or non-binary albino as long as there's love. We're from different worlds.

All I know is this:
We love each other.

I guess I'm posting because I don't know if anyone has any experience with this. I want his Mum to meet me, talk to me about my plans in life and maybe try and see me as being good for him. Both myself and my partner have equally high career ambitions and put our studies first, I want him to succeed more equally as much as I want myself to and support him all the time in doing that. I get him food and cook him healthy meals when he's snowed under with work. I clean his flat and get him medicine when he's ill. I hold him when he cries. I don't want some cultural barriers (that, may I add, my partner does not agree with.. it's only his mother) to tarnish a beautiful relationship. How much do I push this? It's stressful for him to be torn, do I cave to his mother's wishes to help him or do I stand up for us? Will this get better? How long? I would LOVE to meet his parents and talk to his Mum about spices, his Dad about recent technology developments. I'd love to help his Mum in the kitchen and play cards with his father. How do I show them as being worthy for their son? Will that ever happen?

I feel so helpless. Am I being silly?

OP posts:
sammyjayneex · 08/01/2017 19:15

You might love him, he may be a nice guy but he's unreliable and won't start with your forever due to his culture. This is all just a test drive for him. Sorry but when he said 'right now? No' would ring alarm bells for me and I wouldn't be comfortable staying with someone like that

Atenco · 08/01/2017 19:56

LuchiMangsho Sorry, I did not mean to make your way of life sound awful, just different.

I live in Mexico, and not as part of an ex-pat community, I might add. I've learnt the value of cultural practices that when I first arrived struck me as wrong when I first arrived and some things I only came to understand many years later.

LuchiMangsho · 08/01/2017 20:33

No no it's fine. It's just that I can imagine that if I wasn't Indian then even my well meaning MIL's visits would seem culturally bizarre (as so many post birth MIL threads testify). After the birth of my first son my Mum was quite ill so my MIL came. And as she would in India she cooked and cleaned and looked after me. She stayed up holding the baby at night when I needed a break from the endless breastfeeding and for 40 days and nights (as per her cultural beliefs) persuaded me to do nothing but lie in bed and rest and feed. Again I had to endure some superstitions etc but I was so grateful for what she did. I can imagine many non Indians finding the idea of someone in their own space post birth quite challenging if they hadn't been culturally prepared for it. Even I found it suffocating after a while but I could see she was doing it out of a certain sense of goodness. And that's the 'cultural' bit I guess. Sometimes you just 'get' some things because you were born and brought up in it. Unfortunately in India that often involves a healthy dose of patriarchy and prejudice. My lovely MIL as described above is deeply anti Muslim. She knows both DH and I strongly disagree with her and argue endlessly. So we stay away from
that topic. But honestly, I don't know how she would have reacted if I had been an Indian Muslim rather than a Hindu. (A white Christian woman I think would have been preferable to an Indian Muslim daughter in law). So even underneath the most supportive of families lurks prejudice. And OP's boyfriend AND his family sound anything but.

Jaagojaago · 08/01/2017 20:49

Oh Luchi Mangsho- as you can say from your username and mine we share a common language and I can picture your words ever so clearly! Now if only I had someone to make me some luchi to eat with some tender Mangsho.......

Atenco · 08/01/2017 21:05

You do express yourself beautifully Luchi and sound like a lovely person.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 08/01/2017 22:52

OP I am so concerned for you! Please don't put any Jan above your studies and your own future/career. Even without the cultural obstacles, this is no way to treat yourself.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 08/01/2017 23:03

And cultural obstacles they are. I know when you're 19 it's easy to think you can take on the world and win, but this is a fight doomed to start from the outset.

I'm not going to overshare my own experience, but I'm writing this from having been there. Suffice to say, I disagree with [Magic?]: if you're very UNlucky hell pick you over his mum. Mine did and then kept trying to go back and forth between us, lying to both his family and me. He wasted ten years of my fertility making me constantly do the pick me dance and prove I wasn't going to - well, whatever his bugbear of the month was that all white girls do to disappoint their men.

Sorry OP. I know thus wasn't what you wanted to hear - there have been a lot of posts saying similar. I dearly hope you're going to be OK. Smile

And from his family's perspective, I was never going to be good enough - I was always going to be that white whore.

notgivingin789 · 09/01/2017 00:11

Op, walk away from this relationship.

I have an asian friend who married an asian husband but the husband's mother is very abusive. My friend puts up with her abuse constantly, she control's my friend excessively. As an example, my friend recently had a baby who is now 2 months old. I went to visit them and we had a good night out, my friend then told me that she hasn't been out since her baby was born as her mother in law does not like her going out.

The husband rarely sticks up for his wife (my friend) and I doubt he ever will to be honest.

So end it. End it now. Your 19, trust me, you don't want to waste your youth.

whateverlovemeans · 09/01/2017 01:31

Op, please stop cooking and cleaning for him! You are not his servant, but that's how you're presenting yourself. You may see this as a loving gesture, but does he do the same for you? I think not. Stop it now.

PassTheSatsumas · 09/01/2017 01:53

End it ... ANY man who won't stick up for you vs his mother is a man to run from

OP - I've been there twice. 1st 'love' catholic- I'm not, he chose his mothers wishes and ended things with me

A later (Indian) boyfriend would not introduce me to his mother ... having learned my lesson I ran

Your relationship sounds v unequal: what does he do for you?

AMillionMilesFromThere · 09/01/2017 02:49

Squirty I'm sorry for what you went through but you are wrong in that sex outside marriage can't happen with a Muslim girl - I had many Muslim friends in relationships at university.

Going back to the thing about the 'devotion to the parents' thing in Indian/Pakistani culture - I am Pakistani born to first generation parents and even I find the whole devotion of the sons to the parents thing very very very very difficult to cope with. And I've been born and raised within the culture and have four much older brothers who I have seen many many such examples from and I still find it so damn difficult to fucking stomach!

Anyway op, I do think your boyfriend will end up marrying a girl from India of his mothers choosing. Sorry, he just sounds like a pussy when it comes to his mummy. Quit while you're ahead.

Chloe84 · 09/01/2017 02:49

His father tolerates you as he knows that you are just a wild oats relationship. As he said, you are making his son happy ( by providing domestic and sexual services and emotional support ) while he studies . You clean his flat, cook his meals, look after him when he's ill.

Agreed. Maybe Asian dads are more pragmatic.

His 'Right now? No' response is very telling. Don't rationalise this away as him being pressured by his mother. This is him in a nutshell. As someone said upthread, you're the 'right now' girl, not the forever girl.

You've seen upthread a few examples of where it worked and it all involved men who were willing to stand up to their parents from the start.

KindDogsTail · 09/01/2017 11:52

Men from other cultures I know who are not governed by their family in this way, do show it right from the start like Chloe84 says.

Not skyping you when he was away, was hardly standing up to her and does not bode well.

Dockid · 12/01/2024 10:20

Have you thought about changing your religion, a big step but also if you're truly devoted surely you're religion should be devoted with him, I'm church of England, but if I'd change its there's I'd only change too, 😉

Burgundy68 · 09/07/2024 08:12

The original post was from 2017. I would love to know, what happened in the end?

Pinkbonbon · 09/07/2024 08:28

Take a step back for a minute. You're 19 right? Average age people get married these days is like a decade older than that. Chances of you remaining together forever? Slim to none. Statistically.

Now I'm not saying you don't love him but, you'll love other people in future too.

Relationships require more than love too. They have to be safe spaces in order to flourish. Your Relationship is not a safe space. Because your partner doesn't have your back. His family obligations will probably always trump any love for you.

When you are 19, everything feels like a forever. It isn't.

Lighteningstrikes · 09/07/2024 08:46

I really think you should to listen to people on here that are experienced and have lived your situation.

Don't set yourself up for a very nasty fall, which remember will be a lot worse in a few year's time.

It's very sad, but time to have a very serious chat with him.

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