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Do I start again?

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HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 08:29

My DP and I have been together almost 2 years and I'm 18 weeks pg, I also have 3 older children. We had a up and down start to the relationship, a relationship that no one knew about for a year so it never affected my children.

My ex husband was emotionally abusive and continues to be difficult, so when I was free of him I spent 18 months getting the 'me' back that he'd tried to kill off. I lost weight, started going out again, had friends and hobbies. I've just lost all that hard work and myself again this year.

My DP doesn't like going out to the places I feel comfortable and after a termination of a pregnancy we had in May last year I sort of lost the will to go myself. It was easier to stay in. We're a lot more stable now in general but he has a drinking problem (always has done, a highly functional alcoholic since 16, possibly younger) that he is seeing the doctor about this week to try and combat. It sounds selfish but for two years my life has revolved around his drinking, ( had too much, had too little, hungover etc) I'm bored of it. Every time we've done anything, gone anywhere, every night when we're in. It's always been about how that's his 'identity.'

Our sex life has gone downhill massively, he doesn't ever initiate or seem bothered by it. That affects me a lot as I love sex with him and miss having the closeness that gave us. He's quite emotionally cold at times so this was the only time we felt on an even playing field. I miss feeling attractive and wanted.

He poured his remaining alcohol down the sink last night and cried because he felt so emotional about it. I've never inspired that kind of response, he just turns into a martyr if I confront him over any issues I have, there's always a reason or an excuse why it's actually my fault. Just like with my ex.

After thinking for a long time, I think I've put my finger on why this is affecting me so much atm. I used to have lots of male friends ( some FB's, but still friends) and for the 18 months after my ex they built my confidence up and gave me a reason to get out of the house. Since I became the boring fat pregnant lady, obviously this doesn't happen. I miss it, I miss my friends. I miss feeling fun, confident, attractive and wanted for my company. I don't often feel like that with my DP. So I've just kinda retreated into myself. So I don't know what to do, I don't want to leave right as he's trying to fix the problem that's blighted us for so long. Neither do I want to spend next NYE with a 6m old without one text from a friend to make me feel valued, or to let myself lose another year of the life she fought for for so long. I just don't know if I can be myself with him.

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SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:11

You can't address the alcoholism. Only he can do that. You have to make the choice as to whether this man, the way he is now, is what you want in your life for you and your children. And you've said you don't. You can't change him.

SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:12

It sounds as though you have very low self esteem. OP.

Is this what you are receiving counselling for (don't feel obliged to answer)

HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:13

He doesn't drive, and never seems to have hangovers unless he has a very heavy session on the rare occasions he goes out with friends, which he plans for a day off.

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SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:13

I'm single. I don't feel like I have anything that is worth someone spending time on. I understand that.

I'm also aware that this means I would make poor relationship choices.

So, until I feel differently about myself, I'm staying single.

SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:15

He might not feel like he had a hangover if he was going into work still drunk. I was thinking more about him being under the influence of alcohol rather than not feeling well enough to do his job though.

Good that he's not driving though.

HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:17

Yes, I do. I started the counselling at 14. It gave me the strength to leave my abusive ex. I have a higher opinion of myself now otherwise I wouldn't even question this. But it's an ongoing work.

Of course I don't want the alcoholic, but because he has such strict rules governing it ( like not drinking around the children) it's like there are two of him. The sober one who spends time playing games with the children and the one who reaches for a cider as soon as I shut their bedroom door. I'd keep the sober one in an instant, but I know that really they're one and the same.

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HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:25

I really don't feel I rushed this or at least if I did, then no one but me was affected. I played the field for 18 months after my ex, enjoyed finding that the 18 yr old me still existed and yes, enjoyed positive male attention. I wasn't used by anyone, and every man I met during that time I still say at least hello to if we see each other in the street. We spent a year where we, unbeknown to anyone, just had some fun and got to know each other better. We had a couple of wobbles and then decided actually we wanted to go public. The children were told gently and we gave them time to adjust before we started sharing a room. They then had 6 months of being used to us being a family before this pregnancy and another 12 weeks before we told them. That I feel worked for us, regardless of the other issues. I'm not sure if the sex thing is due to the pregnancy as we had a huge bleed early on and thought we'd lost it. The emotionally cold is normal for him as he fears rejection, so won't put himself out in case he gets knocked back, even for a hug

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SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:29

Sadly, yes, they are one and the same.

I get that sense of their being 2 of them, my ex ILs were the same. But eventually the boundaries between the two merged.

Now the amount of time they spend sober is less and the time they spend drunk is more. The impact on finances, the interior doors... and the rest of the family (adult children and now grandchildren) is increasing.

This will not get better unless he wants it to. It might not necessarily get worse, I'm no fortune teller, but what you have now is the absolute best it's going to be unless he wants to change it.

CupofTeaTime · 01/01/2017 10:32

Not sure what you're looking for here OP. In every response you give you stick up for his alcoholism and his behaviour. You can't be that unhappy with him if you have all these explanations for his behaviour. I feel sorry for your children, you are putting a dysfunctional relationship and an alcoholic before them. I'll never understand women like you who chose men over their children. Whether you 'love' him or not. If he really respected and loved you and your ever growing brood he'd get dry. Simple

HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:32

I said in the OP he is going to the doctor this week for help and counselling. That's why the pouring the remaining alcohol down the drain at midnight last night. He wants to change, but he said last night he wasn't prepared for how emotional he'd feel doing it.

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SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:33

This is so sad, Chicken You are accepting so little for yourself.

Did you not want to spend more time as a couple, with the children you had before having another baby? Announcing a pregnancy 6 months after going public with a relationship is nothing at all.

Good luck with what you choose, but I don't really know what you want from this. If it's just to work it through, then that's fine, but there really aren't many options for you in this. You either accept him as he is or end it, because you have no control over his alcoholism.

HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:33

And that's why my posting here. I wasn't sure I was doing the right thing going now just as he does try to sort it

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CupofTeaTime · 01/01/2017 10:35

X post re the doctor and counselling. Well let's hope this is it and he will get dry, however he has had since the age of 16 to sort himself out and hasn't. I'd be sceptical

HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:35

Assuming he does. I'm not going to defend my pregnancy. This baby is loved and wanted by both of us, sadly I think he wants alcohol more.

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HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:35

There was a reason why he didn't.

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HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:36

Not a good one, but it was a reason before I was around so not my business.

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SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:36

If he is serious about getting dry, I would remove you and the children from his situation so that they are not impacted upon by the effect this process is going to have on him.

It is going to be hard for him. But the children don't need to go through that too. Neither do you whilst you are pregnant.

SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:37

This baby is loved and wanted by both of us, sadly I think he wants alcohol more

And that is the crux of it.

HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:41

Thank you for everyone's thoughts. I'm sure to all of you I'm 'one of those women.' But I can honestly say after looking at the situation with my counsellor that if I could find the strength to remove my children from my emotionally abusive arsehole of an ex who destroyed my eldest to the point of me having to remove her from school, then I can do this.

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SheFeedsYouTeaAndOranges · 01/01/2017 10:43

What do you mean? Can do this?

Stay in a dysfunctional relationship and support an alcoholic?

or

Prioritise yourself and your children and walk away?

BitOutOfPractice · 01/01/2017 10:43

Every post since your first post has been defending him, excusing him, minimising his problems and explaining why he's not "that bad".

RacoonBandit · 01/01/2017 10:44

Can do what?

Make an alcoholic of many many years give up the drink?

He hasn't given it up in the 2 years you have been together what makes you think you can do it now?

He is an addict and only the addict can give up the addiction they have to choose to.
If you gave him the option of drink or you which do you honestly think he would choose?

HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:47

I meant move on

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HormonalChicken · 01/01/2017 10:47

But thanks for the support

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lilybetsy · 01/01/2017 10:55

OP... I mean this kindly ...

You have come here, explained your issues. You've had lots of advice, suggestions and support..

You keep coming back with "yes, but... "
the advice is spot on, you know this really, you are just not ready to change anything ...

So there is little we can do at this point. I understand this, I too have posted here in desperation, good great advice but not been able to change anything until I was ready ... so will it be for you.

Good luck with your pregnancy ...

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