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Should I believe this? (Mental Health + DH)

74 replies

Wallpaperpasta · 29/10/2016 22:02

Background:
DH and I have been Married 6 years.
3 year old DC1
DC2 due in December
Husband has anxiety and depression (both considered mild by HCPs) medicated, but has refused CBT etc or managed to get discharged on first appointment at counselling each time etc.
Husband has been distant and uninterested in DC and myself since I found out was pregnant (things weren't great before and I was very shocked to be pregnant!)

He leaves most of parenting to me and indulges himself in his various hobbies and interest (I currently get no time away from DC). If anyone criticises him or suggests he takes more interest in family he says we're picking on him and not helping his mental health etc.

After pretty much 8 month of him being incredibly self centred, selfish and unable to accept blame for upsetting me repeatedly I finally persuaded him to go back to counselling.

He comes back from the first session this past week looking positively smug and announcing they have suggested he tries out a new hobby!

Is this likely to be true? Would they really suggest a man with a heavily pregnant wife and already enjoying a lot of time to himself further endulge in another hobby?

(Name changed because I suspect he knows my usual name).

OP posts:
Wallpaperpasta · 30/10/2016 16:02

Shining - I actually am. I cannot face the birth of DC2 like this.

OP posts:
CockacidalManiac · 30/10/2016 16:05

Shining - I actually am. I cannot face the birth of DC2 like this

Don't be surprised if you tell him this, and he suddenly develops an interest in going back to CBT.

NameChange30 · 30/10/2016 16:11

This doesn't sound like depression or anxiety. This sounds like an emotionally abusive man using depression/anxiety as an excuse for his bad behaviour.

"He is also unable to take the blame for anything he has done. Is there a name for this?"
Yes there is: abusive.

Signs of emotional abuse

Does he do anything else from the list?

Wallpaperpasta · 30/10/2016 16:11

Cockacidal-oddly enough it was threatening to go that led him back to his appointment last week!

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CockacidalManiac · 30/10/2016 16:13

Thought that what's might have happened! He has no interest in engaging, or helping himself at all. He only wants to be seen to be doing enough to keep his very comfortable status quo

NameChange30 · 30/10/2016 16:15

You might find this interesting, OP. It's from the abuser profiles thread.

"THE MENTALLY ILL OR ADDICTED ABUSER

This last category is not actually separate from the others; an abusive man of any of the aforementioned styles can also have psychiatric or substance-abuse problems, although the majority do not. Even when mental illness or addiction is a factor, it is not the cause of a man's abuse of his partner, but it can contribute to the severity of his problem and his resistance to change. When these additional problems are present, it is important to be aware of the following points:

  1. Certain mental illnesses can increase the chance that an abuser will be dangerous and use physical violence. These include paranoia, severe depression, delusions or hallucinations (psychosis), obsessive-compulsive disorder, and antisocial personality disorder known as psychopathy or sociopathy). These psychiatric conditions also make it next to impossible for an abuser to change, at least until the mental illness has been brought under control through therapy and/or medication, which can take years. Even if the mental illness is properly treated, his abusiveness won't necessarily change.
  1. An abuser's reactions to going on or off medication are unpredictable. A woman should take extra precautions for her safety at such a time. Abusers tend to go off medication before long—I have had few clients who were consistent and responsible about taking their meds in the long term. They don't like the side effects, and they are too selfish to care about the implications of the mental illness for their partners or children.
  1. The potential danger of a mentally ill abuser has to be assessed by looking at the severity of his psychiatric symptoms in combination with the severity of his abuse characteristics. Looking at his psychiatric symptoms alone can lead to underestimating how dangerous he is.
  1. Antisocial personality disorder is present in only a small percentage of abusers but can be important. Those who suffer from this condition lack a conscience and thus are repeatedly involved in behaviors that are harmful to others. Some signs of this condition include: (a) He started getting into illegal behavior when he was still a teenager; (b) his dishonest or aggressive behavior involves situations unrelated to his partner, rather than being restricted to her; (c) he periodically gets into trouble at workplaces or in other contexts for stealing, threatening, or refusing to follow instructions and is likely to have a considerable criminal record by about age thirty, though the offenses may be largely minor ones; (d) he is severely and chronically irresponsible in a way that disrupts the lives of others or creates danger; and (e) he tends to cheat on women a lot, turn them against each other, and maintain shallow relationships with them. The psychopath's physical violence is not necessarily severe, contrary to the popular image, but he may be very dangerous nonetheless. Antisocial personality disorder is very difficult to change through therapy, and there is no effective medication for treating it. It is highly compatible with abusiveness toward women.
  1. Those who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder have a highly distorted self-image. They are unable to accept that they might have faults and therefore are unable to imagine how other people perceive them. This condition is highly compatible with abusiveness, though it is present in only a small percentage of abusive men. Clues to the presence of this disorder include: (a) Your partner's self-centeredness is severe, and it carries over into situations that don't involve you; (b) he seems to relate everything back to himself; and (c) he is outraged whenever anyone criticizes him and is incapable of considering that he could ever be anything other than kind and generous. This disorder is highly resistant to therapy and is not treatable with medication. The abuser with this disorder is not able to change substantially through an abuser program either, although he sometimes makes some minor improvements.
  1. Many abusers who are not mentally ill want women to think that they are, in order to avoid responsibility for their attitudes and behavior.

Substance abuse, like mental illness, does not cause partner abuse but can increase the risk of violence. Like the mentally ill abuser, the addicted abuser doesn't change unless he deals with his addiction, and even that is only the first step. Chapter 8 examines the role that substances play in partner abuse.

The attitudes driving the mentally ill or addicted batterer are the same as those of other abusers and will likely follow the pattern of one of the nine styles described above. In addition, the following attitudes tend to be present:

• I am not responsible for my actions because of my psychological or substance problems.

• If you challenge me about my abusiveness, you are being mean to me, considering these other problems I have. It also shows that you don't understand my other problems.

• I'm not abusive, I'm just———(alcoholic, drug addicted, manic-depressive, an adult child of alcoholics, or whatever his condition may be).

• If you challenge me, it will trigger my addiction or mental illness, and you'll be responsible for what I do."

(From "Why does he do that?" by Lundy Bancroft)

Wallpaperpasta · 30/10/2016 16:20

AnotherEmma - A lot of that is spot on for husband especially from 5 onwards.

OP posts:
Wallpaperpasta · 30/10/2016 16:25

I know everyone is different but friends who have experienced anxiety and depression have behaved vastly different to him.

I had such high hopes when he agreed to go to the session and when he returned so smug and full of how he was going to set up his new hobby I just felt broken.

I asked him when our DC's due date is and he hasn't a clue!

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Shiningexample · 30/10/2016 16:27

Good luck then Wallpaper from what you've posted it does sound as if he will always be a drain on you, rather than someone you can have a mutually beneficial life partnership with.
I hope you can extricate yourself with the minimum of drama and stress

CockacidalManiac · 30/10/2016 16:31

I know everyone is different but friends who have experienced anxiety and depression have behaved vastly different to him.

I've had severe MH problems. Most people who have will try anything to be well, to get rid of the pain. He's using his illness as an excuse, and that's awful.

ImperialBlether · 30/10/2016 16:36

Does he go to work, OP?

Frankly, I'd rather go it alone than have that huge useless bloody cloud hanging over me. And yes, I've suffered from depression and lived with someone who did, too, but he just sounds self-indulgent to me.

Shiningexample · 30/10/2016 16:42

I had such high hopes when he agreed to go to the session and when he returned so smug and full of how he was going to set up his new hobby I just felt broken
Understandable, but I least you can see the truth of the situation, the writing is on the wall now and you have the information that you need to decide how to move forward.

He's not going to be hard for you to out manoeuvre, he's already heavily overplayed his hand and he's not skilled or subtle enough to manipulate you without you seeing straight through him.

Maybe humour him for now?

Wallpaperpasta · 30/10/2016 16:45

Imperial - yes he does and apparently he doesn't feel depressed or anxious at work. It's purely living with me and DC that is damaging him.

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CockacidalManiac · 30/10/2016 16:55

Imperial - yes he does and apparently he doesn't feel depressed or anxious at work. It's purely living with me and DC that is damaging him.

Ugh, fucking hell. I'm so glad you're working on your exit plans.

KittyandTeal · 30/10/2016 16:59

I have borderline personality disorder. I struggle with lots of parts of life but mostly with anxiety and depression that come on very quickly and for no apparent reason.

I am lucky as I work part time so while dd1 is at preschool I can indulge a hobby that improves my mental health (running)

However, I do the majority of the childcare, work part time and my dh has some time each wknd to do his own hobby.

Having a mental health issue does not allow you to check out of your responsibilities whenever you fancy. Yes you may need to adjust your life and expectations but it doesn't mean you should be doing everything while he does whatever he wants because he's depressed. That's not life I'm afraid.

LittleMissUpset · 30/10/2016 17:00

I suffer from OCD and anxiety and depression, and as I was reading I also thought classic narcissistic behavior from him!

I have had CBT and am currently on medication because I want to help myself and my family.

I suspect my husband is a narcissist and I went to counseling as I thought I was the problem, that's when things started to come out that actually his behavior was possibly abusive. We went to couples counseling together and he managed to turn things back on me and it was awful, so I can well imagine your partner going to counseling and managing to get them to say about hobbies.

I wish you the best of luck and think he is using mental health as an excuse, I think you will all be better off without him, though I know that's easier said than done!

He may have mental health problems, but he also sounds selfish and lazy.

Shiningexample · 30/10/2016 17:01

It's purely living with me and DC that is damaging him
trying to control you by making you feel guilty
you could just call his bluff by telling him you can see that he's clearly not suited to family life and suggest that the two of you go your separate ways

AnyFucker · 30/10/2016 17:10

It's purely living with me and DC that is damaging him.

And the solution to that is he leaves. Pure and simple. Why is he not suggesting that if you and the kids are so terrible.

gottachangethename1 · 30/10/2016 17:14

I hate labels, but personal experience shouted 'narcissist' when I read your description of your dh. I too have anxiety and depression, but I still do my share (more actually!) this is not fair on you. Don't be made to feel guilty for asking for support from him, it should be there anyway. Read Lundy 'why does he do that' it will make you see your dh for what he probably is.

AnyFucker · 30/10/2016 17:16

Yes, I am thinking narcissist too

Atenco · 30/10/2016 17:16

You know, OP, he just sounds like more work and expense for you, with no benefits. I can't help doubting the reality of his depression.

SauvignonPlonker · 30/10/2016 17:17

Jesus, OP Flowers Your updates of him are just sounding worse & worse. He sounds awful. And you must feel so vulnerable, being heavily pregnant. Unfortunately many men show their true colours in pregnancy.

I think he wants out & is just behaving badly so that you are forced to make the decision. He can then play the Mr Nice Guy /victim "she left me" and it'll all be your fault. What a shitbag.

ButteredToastAndStrawberryJam · 30/10/2016 17:21

Does he work?

NameChange30 · 30/10/2016 17:23

"A lot of that is spot on for husband especially from 5 onwards."

Thought so. Emotional abuse.

Read Lundy Bancroft, get support (talk to supportive family/friends, a counsellor, Women's Aid) and above all LTB.

ButteredToastAndStrawberryJam · 30/10/2016 17:24

*sorry, just noticed this has already been asked. I agree with others, seems to be BS.

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