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He's separated but won't let me meet her? What would you think of this reasoning...

71 replies

Wonderbraways · 10/10/2016 20:44

I really need some brutal opinions. I'll try and be as detailed as possible.

I've been seeing a man for 18 months. He is a manager at the bank I work for, and although I don't see him in the day at work, (he's not my manager), we sometimes share lifts to work as we live close by. I'm 30 and he's 47. It's the best relationship I've ever been in and he makes me very very happy. I've seen him everyday bar about 6 in our whole relationship. We are very close and, without wanting to gush, I'm not being overly romantic - I'm usually very cynical! - I love him a lot.

So what's the problem? The problem is he lives with his wife and child, who will leave to go to university in two years.

From day 1, when I met him in a bar near where we work, he told me he was separated from his wife, but they hadn't started dicorce proceedings because of their child, and they wanted to bring up the child together in the same home.

Why did I believe this? Lots of reasons. He calls me every night for long chats, he talks every night. At weekends unless he's with his child he will be at my house. I've been to his house when his wife has worked away and there's nothing in it to indicate they are together. In the early days I heard phone calls (hed answer in the car) and it was very formulaic and practical. It sounded exactly how he said it was - that they were separated and waiting for the child to leave home.

In the last 4 months I said I wanted to meet his wife. I said if they were separated then she wouldn't care. He said although he's sure she wouldn't care, it would make the home life more hostile than it already is and that defeats the object of staying to bring up the child. He also said that his wife would feel angry about it happening while he was living there.

Obviously this has raised all sorts of alarm bells. I've been very upfront and asked if he's cheating, why he won't just talk to her, and this weekend I said I didn't want to see him again until he sorted all this out properly.

He then turned up tonight and told me he would do anything to prove to me that what he's told me is true, and that he doesn't know how to prove it but wants to try.

I expect that people are going to be cynical here... And I'm not campaigning to defend him as I really don't know what to think, hence why I'm here asking what you all think... But he's a lovely man and he almost seems scared of his wife - I read some very abusive messages from her to him many months ago when he was crying about a row they had had. Part of me does think he really doesn't want to rock the boat for the sake of his child... But how can I really know?

Any advice welcome.. However harsh!

OP posts:
Halfapintofshandy · 11/10/2016 11:22

Wonderbraways: Read this salutary tale

I know a woman who was in the same situation as you - swore blind she KNEW he was separated for similar reasons - called her all the time, stayed over at his house and so on.

Turns out he was very married. He got away with it for so long because they had a property out of the city he lived in (country house style) where the whole family (excluding him) went regularly, his wife had strong connections with a European country and they had relatives/friends there where she would regularly take the children and leaving him alone in the city.

He also had a job that made overnight stays possible. He would phone her/text her all the time. He told her his wife knew he was seeing other people but that from time to time they couldn't do xyz because of the children.

How she discovered this was she got fed up with him making excuses for reasons for them not to go on a particular holiday due to the children - so she went to his house to say in a very moderate way to the (what she believed was a separated) wife "Look, if you aren't having a future together, please let him come on this holiday with me because this half a life to protect your children is breaking my heart."

Turns out all hell broke loose. Next thing she know her phone is blowing up with him texting/calling/leaving messages saying what the hell has she said to his wife?

He dumped the OW almost in a heartbeat. Of course, it was all a pack of lies.

The reason I am telling you this is because she was 100% x 1 million % SURE that he was separated. When the chips were down, he chose to stay with his wife and work it all out.

The "OW" went through hell and was emotionally devastated.

The very sorry end to this tale was after a couple of months had passed, guess who came back sniffing around? This time on an open "I love you babe, can't live with you out babe, but it will only be an affair" basis.

The moral of the story is that a separated man still living in the marital home is never actually a separated man

Bananalanacake · 11/10/2016 13:00

You don't seem bothered about not meeting his family, that is the most important thing, same thing happened to me, my now ex DP kept saying 'yes, I'll sort something out' but I never met them and it really hurt as it meant I was a secret, it was funny when his mum died suddenly, I told him to bugger off home and not contact me until he was over it, guess what? he was already over it and didn't go home.

c3pu · 11/10/2016 14:16

What was his relationship status on Facebook?

Were you even on his friends list?

Vixxfacee · 11/10/2016 14:19

Why do you need to meet the wife? Confused

hellsbellsmelons · 11/10/2016 14:32

when he was crying about a row they had had
But they are separated - RIGHT???
So why is he that bothered about a row?

And you've not had sex?
This is all kinds of messed up!

You are 30 - get out there and find a man your own age, have some fun and enjoy life, going out, socialising, laughing, no secrets....

category12 · 11/10/2016 15:04

You have met one friend.
A male friend.
In 18 months.

Hmm

Sorry.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/10/2016 15:13

Sorry OP but these PPs are right. He's still very very married.

amibeingsexist · 12/10/2016 16:18

You are a fool OP. Move on and live your own life. If you want drama tell his wife.

cheesecadet · 12/10/2016 17:33

Says it all really, you've not met his family after 12 months.

Are you the same 'annexe' poster?

cheesecadet · 12/10/2016 17:53

Sorry 18 months

snakesalive · 12/10/2016 17:59

Sooooo what happens if his child fails GCSES and has to retake them,add on a year...then fails ALevels,add on another year....then,huummm decides can't be arsed with uni.will stay home and look for work...child may be living at home for years yet...your being had...how can you not see that?????

myfriendnigel · 12/10/2016 18:08

This is a man who has lied to his wife (who can't be that bad or he would have got out of there by now), and kid for 18 months.
Does it not make you feel disquieted that he is clearly a skilled liar? That he is prepared to be that dishonest (for a spurious reason, as a kid is likely to be as upset at 18 as they are at 16 by their parents splitting up surely-and im sure she will have noticed if they are living separately but together anyway). Very nice people don't really do what he is apparently doing op.Because it causes a world of hurt.
I don't think he's telling you the truth op. Sorry.

ayeokthen · 12/10/2016 18:14

DP was still living in the marital home when we met. The difference was I met his XW (they were divorced) as soon as we realised our relationship was going somewhere, she had her partner and it was all very civil, literally a financial thing, and once that was all sorted and he was able to leave the kids sorted and come to live with me and pay his own way he did. To this day it's civil re arrangements with the kids and stuff because of the way it was done. Your situation sounds really dodgy to me OP, although I see why you believed him, I really do.

PoldarksBreeches · 12/10/2016 18:17

If you've ever been naked together, made each other orgasm or had each other's genitals in your mouths then you're having sex. Just saying.

I lived with my ex for ages after we separated. We wouldn't have told each other about people we were dating because our boundaries were blurred due to not living separately and we would still do family things and have sex sometimes
We weren't together but we weren't properly apart either. Neither of us would have been emotionally available to start a new relationship.

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 12/10/2016 18:52

OP, I don't mean to be cruel, but you do sound very naive.
Some people are good actors, and can turn the taps on, so to speak, whenever they feel like it.
He's probably very happy, with any kind of sexual activity offered.
Wise up, value yourself, refuse to be anyone's second best, or dirty secret.
You have a good job, and you are only thirty. You have a whole lifetime in front of you, don't waste it!

IreallyKNOWiamright · 12/10/2016 19:11

Unfortunately op this happened to a close friend of mine..don't go there you won't be anything special to him just a shag. Sorry to say it bluntly but they are all the same.

Trills · 12/10/2016 19:17

I wouldn't care if he was telling the truth about being separated.

If he still lives with his ex-wife or soon-to-be-ex-wife or -maybe-not-actually-separated-wife then I'm not interested.

I realise that "I would not have got into this situation in the first place" is not useful advice for you right now, but maybe it will be for someone.

chiquita1 · 12/10/2016 19:20

He's married. Stop overthinking it, it's obvious.

Nannynowamummy · 12/10/2016 20:30

I bet that ONE friend is the only one who doesn't know he is married Hmm which would explain a lot

quicklydecides · 12/10/2016 21:36

Hello OP nice to see you again.

seriouslydudegivemecake · 12/10/2016 22:24

A very similar thing happened to me 12 years ago. XP fed me all kinds of lies..only there for the children...sorting out house sale yada yada yada...long story short I have a wonderful DC who has never seen his DF and XP is still living with his wife

RUN A MILE AND DONT LOOK BACK

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