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He's separated but won't let me meet her? What would you think of this reasoning...

71 replies

Wonderbraways · 10/10/2016 20:44

I really need some brutal opinions. I'll try and be as detailed as possible.

I've been seeing a man for 18 months. He is a manager at the bank I work for, and although I don't see him in the day at work, (he's not my manager), we sometimes share lifts to work as we live close by. I'm 30 and he's 47. It's the best relationship I've ever been in and he makes me very very happy. I've seen him everyday bar about 6 in our whole relationship. We are very close and, without wanting to gush, I'm not being overly romantic - I'm usually very cynical! - I love him a lot.

So what's the problem? The problem is he lives with his wife and child, who will leave to go to university in two years.

From day 1, when I met him in a bar near where we work, he told me he was separated from his wife, but they hadn't started dicorce proceedings because of their child, and they wanted to bring up the child together in the same home.

Why did I believe this? Lots of reasons. He calls me every night for long chats, he talks every night. At weekends unless he's with his child he will be at my house. I've been to his house when his wife has worked away and there's nothing in it to indicate they are together. In the early days I heard phone calls (hed answer in the car) and it was very formulaic and practical. It sounded exactly how he said it was - that they were separated and waiting for the child to leave home.

In the last 4 months I said I wanted to meet his wife. I said if they were separated then she wouldn't care. He said although he's sure she wouldn't care, it would make the home life more hostile than it already is and that defeats the object of staying to bring up the child. He also said that his wife would feel angry about it happening while he was living there.

Obviously this has raised all sorts of alarm bells. I've been very upfront and asked if he's cheating, why he won't just talk to her, and this weekend I said I didn't want to see him again until he sorted all this out properly.

He then turned up tonight and told me he would do anything to prove to me that what he's told me is true, and that he doesn't know how to prove it but wants to try.

I expect that people are going to be cynical here... And I'm not campaigning to defend him as I really don't know what to think, hence why I'm here asking what you all think... But he's a lovely man and he almost seems scared of his wife - I read some very abusive messages from her to him many months ago when he was crying about a row they had had. Part of me does think he really doesn't want to rock the boat for the sake of his child... But how can I really know?

Any advice welcome.. However harsh!

OP posts:
TheWildRumpyPumpus · 10/10/2016 21:30

Is he the one who lives in a separate granny flat? There was a v similar thread recently if not.

I would need proof that he has told his 'wife' about the relationship and that she's ok with it. Anything else and I'd have to call an end to proceedings.

Even if they ARE separated, if she's not happy about it while they live under the same roof (I bet she's still cooking/cleaning for him) then it's totally disrespectful.

VikingVolva · 10/10/2016 21:33

"We've never had sex and the reason for that is because I said I wouldn't until the divorce proceedings were started"

Or because he's one of those really limited men who can square their lack of conscience by convincthemselves that no PIV sex mea's not actually adultery

(And of course someone who is having sex with their wife won't be missing it).

doji · 10/10/2016 21:33

Even if he's telling the truth, why would you want to date a man that is married to and lives with another woman? Being single has to be better than getting these sloppy seconds surely?

SheldonsSpot · 10/10/2016 21:37

Have you met his friends and family?

Wonderbraways · 10/10/2016 21:39

I'm the one who keeps to the no sex thing... He would do it any day if I let it happen.

I just can't get my head around it. He seemed so genuine. Everything he said and how he is and his views on things.

I miss him already as we would usually be talking by now. I guess unless I walk away i will never get the truth anyway

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loobyloo1234 · 10/10/2016 21:50

OP - HAVE YOU MET HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS? sorry for shouting but if the answer to this is no, he is probably still with her

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 10/10/2016 21:53

Hang on, I thought he agreed to introduce you?! If not, what the actual fuck did he mean by "anything'?

TheNaze73 · 10/10/2016 21:53

As above. About 10 people have asked HAVE YOU MET HIS FAMILY??

RolfsBabyGrand · 10/10/2016 21:54

Agree with the majority of posts - he's having his cake and eating it.

But let's say he is telling the truth...he's still putting your feelings last. Do you want to continue in a relationship where you sit on the sidelines until convenient to him and his family? These early months will define the rest of your relationship - he needs to respect and cherish YOU - not later, but now.

You sound smitten - but I think it's with a side of him he has carefully presented to you. There's a whole aspect to his life and personality that he's concealed.

And "eww" to entertaining you in the family home while she is away. I find that very disrespectful.

Please start to value yourself x

Wonderbraways · 10/10/2016 21:58

No I've not met his family. I've met one friend and he certainly knew we were together and didn't seem to think it was odd. Of course he could have been covering for him.

I'm glad I ended it. Also feel devastated.

OP posts:
Floralnomad · 10/10/2016 22:00

He's definitely still sleeping with the wife ( or somebody else) .

DrMorbius · 10/10/2016 22:08

You need to examine your benchmark for what is a "normal" relationship. 18 months and you have only met one friend, been to his house in a very controlled circumstance and not had sex. All very weird.

I suspect there is more that you are not saying, but even the basics you have articulated are weird for a relationship. You should looking for much more.

ProseccoBitch · 10/10/2016 22:10

You've never had sex?! Run for the hills OP.

WingsofNylon · 10/10/2016 22:31

I'm confused. Are you now telling us you have ended the relationship?

TrippyMcTrapFace · 10/10/2016 22:38

Never had sex but have been intimate.

Are you giving him blow jobs?

TheNaze73 · 10/10/2016 22:45

I really am struggling to keep up.

You've ended it?

PointlessUsername · 10/10/2016 22:52

He may still be with his wife, who knows?

Either way he isn't giving you what you want is he?.

AnyFucker · 10/10/2016 23:10

You've been had, love

You were told the same on your last thread too

SandyY2K · 10/10/2016 23:28

If you're a secret, then you're the OW.

Yourarejokingme · 10/10/2016 23:29

You don't have sex but are intimate??

It's sex regardless of how you dress it up.

He's played you. Thank your lucky stars you've left it now.

Raid the freezer for some ice cream and slob out or phone a friend and have a vent, a cry and then put it behind you.

Value yourself more

TrippyMcTrapFace · 10/10/2016 23:38

Ding ding.

At least it's not your best friend's brother, OP. The one with a newborn.

Nanny0gg · 11/10/2016 01:07

And you've been to her house?

Nice.

adora1 · 11/10/2016 10:06

He might not be after sex but he's probably happy with the arrangement as it is with you. Tbh, I couldn't be with a man that was in this set up, it would affect my self esteem and value; it's very icky even if they are not together, he's got some nerve expecting any decent woman to put up with this, you're pretty much a dirty secret, fuck that.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 11/10/2016 10:15

Even if the situation is exactly what he says it is, it's very messed up and not healthy for you or anyone else.

But from what you've written here I suspect the wife doesn't know she's been replaced. Poor thing.

Maudlinmaud · 11/10/2016 10:20

I have read this before. Im positive.