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MIL has just adivsed me to threaten to leave DH...

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WankingMonkey · 01/10/2016 20:28

My head is so fucked up right now it is unreal.

In so many ways my relationship is good. I suffer chronic pain issues and DH does most of the housework and such as I am often in no state to do it myself. He does this (for the most part) without a word said. he is an attentive father to our children, if a bit lax on telling them off for things.

However, recently there have been...issues. Massive arguments about little things and such. And more recently, we have been arguing a lot about DSD. DH split from his ex before I met him but has been a steady presence in his childrens lives. They stayed with him 3-5 days per week (usually just weekends, but more if they chose to. And for pretty much the whole of the school holidays also)and he is responsible for things like getting them new clothes and such too. This continued when we got together (we didn't have any kids together then) I love them and (I think) they like me too. I try not to interfere too much as afterall they are not my kids and it should be down to DH and his ex to sort out any issues. However I do often need to tell them off when DH is not here, and sometimes when he 'ignores' behavior. This has never been an issue until recently. Their mother agrees that when they are in my house they go by my rules too, so this situation has not came around because of her putting her foot down or anything. I am actually quite close friends with their mother (I know that will sound so weird to people on here but it is true)

The issue right now is DSD. She is 12 and developing an attitude like teenage girls do. However, DH seems to have just started letting her get her way ALL of the time. She has recently decided that her school have said she absolutely has to have her own laptop and printer as they are only going to give out homework that has to be done on a laptop and printed out. I offered use of the computer but this is no good apparently. Now, I can see this is bullshit and no school would say she needs her own and such as many parents cannot afford this. But DH is lapping it up and now reckons we have to buy her one, tomorrow. She has moaned all night about not having it yet and I have had enough. We cannot afford to go spending on stuff she doesn't actually need just because shes coming out with some cock and bull story about her school saying she has to have her own. I doubt the school has even said her homework must be done on a computer but willing to let that slide, I just cannot get my head around him accepting her story and as such skinting us badly for the entire month just so she gets her own way. She has her own laptop (that we bought) at home with her mother. I have asked why she couldn't simply bring it over and use that but no, thats not an option. She says it is broken, I offer to get it fixed but thats no good either (no reason given) so basically...she just wants 2 laptops to herself. If anyone can see this as anything else please enlighten me? As I cannot make sense of her story at all.

Anyway, this was a bit 'straw that broke the camels back' after months of him letting her do whatever she likes and giving into her ridiculous tantrums. I did snap at him tonight which I am feeling guilty for but I am really at the end of my tether here and conversation doesn't seem to work as he goes down the 'why would she lie, are you accusing her of lying' route.

My main issue is the lack of discipline among the stepkids. My children are picking up on this and their behavior is getting the same. They are now violent with each other (after watching 2 DSSs 'wrestling' with each other) and DD seems to be picking up on the attitude and screaming if she doesn't get her way with stuff. And so on. Since DH lets DSC do what they like (within reason, stops them if they are hurting each other or doing something dangerous) I am often left to tell them to stop doing stupid stuff, and then I get 'oh just leave them alone' or 'they aren't doing anything wrong' from DH, or a 'I am ALLOWED" screamed in my face from DSD followed by stropping and/or crying for ages. I do not want my children to grow up like this..and I can see it happening as they are surrounded by other kids who act this way and are not checked for it. I find it very hard to tell my own off for something whilst 'allowing' the others to go on doing the same thing but at the same time I cannot just ignore the behavior from my own for fear it will get worse, along with not wanting kids who just ignore me totally. Which it will end up as... This situation seems to have crept up on us tbh as there doesn't seem to have been any issues until the past few months. he told them off when they did wrong. Had no issue with me doing so either, especially if he was out.

Anyway back to tonight. As I said shit kind of hit the fan over this stupid laptop situation. Me and DH had a huge row over it which resulted in me sitting in the kitchen crying into my cup of tea...pathetic right?

I should probably add at this stage that we had already been rowing over DSC because they had been going on fucking ridiculous and he was ignoring it and telling me to leave it. MIL tried telling them too and got the 'oh let them be' reply. DS started running riot with all of the pandemonium (he gets overly excited with a lot of stimulation) and basically the situation ended with DSD crying as DS had ran into her leg, and DH shouting at DS for this! Which didn't sit right with me at all. DS is 2 years old and will obviously join in when the others are running around and stuff, and him running into someones leg is hardly him being malicious or anything, it was clearly an accident. DH went on as if our son had purposely cracked her with a hammer or something rather than had an accident and I cannot stand to see my son treat in that way just because a 12 year old takes a strop.

So yeah, I was crying in the kitchen out of the way of everyone and MIL comes in. She has noticed a definite change in him recently too as he has started getting ridiculously short tempered with her too. I told her my concerns about my own 2s behavior that I think has came from them watching the others. Her advice was for me to offer an ultimatum. Either sort out his kids or I take ours and move out.

It seems so drastic though, but I honestly cannot deal with the situation as it is. I don't want feral children, I don't want to be telling my own to stop whilst they see others being left alone. I don't want to be effectively told off myself for mentioning bad behavior. But most all other ways, I guess I have the perfect relationship, its just this one sticking point. But its a huge one for me.

I don't know what I expect to get from this thread, I just wanted to write it all down I guess. Also any advice on how to deal with this..would be hugely appreciated. If he doesn't start saying no to DSC..then the situation will never resolve. I cannot have a conversation about it as he gets all defensive, claims he has done nothing wrong, claims they do nothing wrong..I am exaggerating, and so on. A few weeks back I thought I had got through to him and he promised change, but nothing has changed. But is this really a 'LTB' situation? I guess it has to be as its impacting on my childrens lives in a huge way right now, and on my own too. I am so confused right now.

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GoodLuckTime · 02/10/2016 14:37

Does he ever work o his parenting OP? Read about it, learn what drives kids behaviours, or good approaches to deal with them?

Could be that he's had s long period with his DD of it being easy. Now she's growning up and challenging him it's a bit shocking, so he's taking the easy / short cut. / I don't want to think about it route out.

I'd research a bit online and them when I'd found some good sites and articles suggest he looks them over. My children are younger but I really like the ahaparenting website and it covers all ages.

I feel like I've been training my DH to do this. It drives me crazy as he is Mr thorough research about every other aspect of his life. Parenting is the hardest thing we will ever do. And in the last 40 years or so lots of work has been done by psychologist etc to understand child development much better. So use it!

There is a tonne of information out there to help him understand what's going on with his DD and how to better deal with it. Could be firmness about behaviours, but maybe she also needs so reassurance like 'love bombing' (google it) she may be finding the split between two homes thing hard. Yes I know it's been like that a while and no problems before, but she is changing. So it may feel different to her now.

VenusRising · 02/10/2016 14:47

What is dsd up to on her iPod?
Why does she need a computer she won't have to let her mother see?

I'd worry this is a safeguarding issue.

I'm very suspicious.... Is she in some online group that everyone would go crazy about if they knew. Can you track her history, she's only 12.

Call her bluff about contacting the school, do it. Show your DH the letter they send to you about her equipment requirements. Black and white.

Go to counselling with your DH. If he doesn't improve, go it alone. Get your mil to help out.

Good luck with it.

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 14:48

He doesn't read up about parenting stuff. He is badly dyslexic and can basically not read at all..only things he can read is things he has learnt the look of, if this makes sense? For example he can recognize his address and name easily enough. He learns by recognition of the total word, rather than putting it together like someone else would. He has been on numerous courses to do with this and nothing has helped. He becomes hugely frustrated about this at times...so even me offering to read stuff out to him wouldn't work.

The love bombing thing is very interesting..may really be worth a try. I had never heard of it before and just skimmed a guardian link about it and sounds promising..

Perhaps angle it as "wouldn't it be great if the house was calmer like this when the step kids are here?" Then talk about ways to achieve that.

Yes, that could be a good angle also. Though I can see defense mode coming as he will see this as me..criticizing step kids (or more specifically DSD..as he knows the lads aren't a problem really)

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WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 14:52

We have a bar on certain type of websites set up via our ISP and so does her mother, so even if they connect via wireless certain things are blocked. Though I would suppose certain groups and such may slip through the net. Her ipod is checked fairly regularly. She tends to be doing this ridiculous thing that seems to be a trend among kids right now...not sure if you will have heard of it. They do short videos of themselves singing along to popular songs? And share it between schoolmates. She spends hours and hours looking at her friends videos or them doing the same thing. Besides this, its youtube videos on makeup techniques and such.

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Atenco · 02/10/2016 15:26

I haven't a clue what is motivating your DH to be so indulgent, but I would imagine that your DSD is being affected by his lack of boundaries. I think children instinctly feel that parents who are too lax and parents who are too strict are being inattentive and therefore not looking out for their best interests.

I tended to let my dd at that age go anywhere if she was going to meet up with some friends, as I was concerned that she didn't have much of a social life. But it was an eye-opener to hear her boasting to her friends that I wouldn't let her go to a disco because it was really extremely dangerous

DontMindMe1 · 02/10/2016 19:33

Mmmmm...i can see it from another angle.

He works full time doing manual labour, does all the housework and is your 'carer', looks after you and the kids - incl his own when they're there - and he does it without complaining and despite the daily frustrations linked to his dyslexia....and you are so dismissive of him.

Though not sure how one would seem to be stressed in all honesty
He is a gardener so physical but not exactly a 'stressful job'

Really? Just put yourself in his shoes - how would you be feeling? He's not Superman, he's human.

My friend is in her mid 20's and she also has a chronic pain condition. Her live in partner works full time, does everything round the house and is her 'carer' (no kids). It's a big responsibility when you've decided you're in it for the long run, and yes it can lead to stress/depression/burnout.

He doesn't say anything because i've no doubt he loves you too much to make you feel guilty or let you down in any way. Not everyone finds it easy to ask for help. He's keeping his feelings to himself and it's causing him stress. He's trying to communicate it but the guilt kicks in and he just ends up apologising for being honest with you. and the communication ends there.

you both need to have an open conversation about the arrangement and your feelings. See what helps - getting a cleaner maybe, childcare so you can both have downtime, ( age appropriate) chores rota for the kids so they have something else to do other than bicker - and also learn money doesn't grow on trees. Your gp and support groups/orgs for your condition can also help.

Myusernameismyusername · 02/10/2016 19:43

I kind of agree. I think I would be stressed

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 19:51

DontMindMe1 fantastic post and I can definitely see where you are coming from. I guess I am 'dismissive' because he doesn't make out there is a problem. He comes back from work (part time btw, but that makes no difference) in a great mood..I have never considered this may be a problem before. When I am ok I do as much as I can..quite often blitzing through stuff in a few hours..but if he is in he tells me to take it easy, and we have had bickering about that also. If I say no, I am fine, he will insist I let him take over and stuff. of course its possible he is just bottling it all up and putting on a happy face. The kids both have 3 hours per day at nursery so we kind have time to ourselves but again, most of this is spent doing housework. Unfortunately a cleaner is not a realistic possibility at the moment though I do feel that would really help. I suggested not long ago getting a deep clean done (this was after I came back from a 2 week stay in hospital) as obviously with him having to do literally everything himself things had fallen behind a lot and he seemed fucking knackered and at that stage I could barely even move to help with the stitches and drains sticking out of me. He said absolutely not. I think he is too...proud to accept help. Thats definitely a factor in this.

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