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MIL has just adivsed me to threaten to leave DH...

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WankingMonkey · 01/10/2016 20:28

My head is so fucked up right now it is unreal.

In so many ways my relationship is good. I suffer chronic pain issues and DH does most of the housework and such as I am often in no state to do it myself. He does this (for the most part) without a word said. he is an attentive father to our children, if a bit lax on telling them off for things.

However, recently there have been...issues. Massive arguments about little things and such. And more recently, we have been arguing a lot about DSD. DH split from his ex before I met him but has been a steady presence in his childrens lives. They stayed with him 3-5 days per week (usually just weekends, but more if they chose to. And for pretty much the whole of the school holidays also)and he is responsible for things like getting them new clothes and such too. This continued when we got together (we didn't have any kids together then) I love them and (I think) they like me too. I try not to interfere too much as afterall they are not my kids and it should be down to DH and his ex to sort out any issues. However I do often need to tell them off when DH is not here, and sometimes when he 'ignores' behavior. This has never been an issue until recently. Their mother agrees that when they are in my house they go by my rules too, so this situation has not came around because of her putting her foot down or anything. I am actually quite close friends with their mother (I know that will sound so weird to people on here but it is true)

The issue right now is DSD. She is 12 and developing an attitude like teenage girls do. However, DH seems to have just started letting her get her way ALL of the time. She has recently decided that her school have said she absolutely has to have her own laptop and printer as they are only going to give out homework that has to be done on a laptop and printed out. I offered use of the computer but this is no good apparently. Now, I can see this is bullshit and no school would say she needs her own and such as many parents cannot afford this. But DH is lapping it up and now reckons we have to buy her one, tomorrow. She has moaned all night about not having it yet and I have had enough. We cannot afford to go spending on stuff she doesn't actually need just because shes coming out with some cock and bull story about her school saying she has to have her own. I doubt the school has even said her homework must be done on a computer but willing to let that slide, I just cannot get my head around him accepting her story and as such skinting us badly for the entire month just so she gets her own way. She has her own laptop (that we bought) at home with her mother. I have asked why she couldn't simply bring it over and use that but no, thats not an option. She says it is broken, I offer to get it fixed but thats no good either (no reason given) so basically...she just wants 2 laptops to herself. If anyone can see this as anything else please enlighten me? As I cannot make sense of her story at all.

Anyway, this was a bit 'straw that broke the camels back' after months of him letting her do whatever she likes and giving into her ridiculous tantrums. I did snap at him tonight which I am feeling guilty for but I am really at the end of my tether here and conversation doesn't seem to work as he goes down the 'why would she lie, are you accusing her of lying' route.

My main issue is the lack of discipline among the stepkids. My children are picking up on this and their behavior is getting the same. They are now violent with each other (after watching 2 DSSs 'wrestling' with each other) and DD seems to be picking up on the attitude and screaming if she doesn't get her way with stuff. And so on. Since DH lets DSC do what they like (within reason, stops them if they are hurting each other or doing something dangerous) I am often left to tell them to stop doing stupid stuff, and then I get 'oh just leave them alone' or 'they aren't doing anything wrong' from DH, or a 'I am ALLOWED" screamed in my face from DSD followed by stropping and/or crying for ages. I do not want my children to grow up like this..and I can see it happening as they are surrounded by other kids who act this way and are not checked for it. I find it very hard to tell my own off for something whilst 'allowing' the others to go on doing the same thing but at the same time I cannot just ignore the behavior from my own for fear it will get worse, along with not wanting kids who just ignore me totally. Which it will end up as... This situation seems to have crept up on us tbh as there doesn't seem to have been any issues until the past few months. he told them off when they did wrong. Had no issue with me doing so either, especially if he was out.

Anyway back to tonight. As I said shit kind of hit the fan over this stupid laptop situation. Me and DH had a huge row over it which resulted in me sitting in the kitchen crying into my cup of tea...pathetic right?

I should probably add at this stage that we had already been rowing over DSC because they had been going on fucking ridiculous and he was ignoring it and telling me to leave it. MIL tried telling them too and got the 'oh let them be' reply. DS started running riot with all of the pandemonium (he gets overly excited with a lot of stimulation) and basically the situation ended with DSD crying as DS had ran into her leg, and DH shouting at DS for this! Which didn't sit right with me at all. DS is 2 years old and will obviously join in when the others are running around and stuff, and him running into someones leg is hardly him being malicious or anything, it was clearly an accident. DH went on as if our son had purposely cracked her with a hammer or something rather than had an accident and I cannot stand to see my son treat in that way just because a 12 year old takes a strop.

So yeah, I was crying in the kitchen out of the way of everyone and MIL comes in. She has noticed a definite change in him recently too as he has started getting ridiculously short tempered with her too. I told her my concerns about my own 2s behavior that I think has came from them watching the others. Her advice was for me to offer an ultimatum. Either sort out his kids or I take ours and move out.

It seems so drastic though, but I honestly cannot deal with the situation as it is. I don't want feral children, I don't want to be telling my own to stop whilst they see others being left alone. I don't want to be effectively told off myself for mentioning bad behavior. But most all other ways, I guess I have the perfect relationship, its just this one sticking point. But its a huge one for me.

I don't know what I expect to get from this thread, I just wanted to write it all down I guess. Also any advice on how to deal with this..would be hugely appreciated. If he doesn't start saying no to DSC..then the situation will never resolve. I cannot have a conversation about it as he gets all defensive, claims he has done nothing wrong, claims they do nothing wrong..I am exaggerating, and so on. A few weeks back I thought I had got through to him and he promised change, but nothing has changed. But is this really a 'LTB' situation? I guess it has to be as its impacting on my childrens lives in a huge way right now, and on my own too. I am so confused right now.

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Myusernameismyusername · 01/10/2016 22:41

It's guilt.
Also perhaps he's being stubborn because he doesn't want to admit that he's wrong. And he doesn't like being nagged from all angles so is also stubbornly refusing to listen to anyone as he's stuck in the mindset of 'im the bloody parent?'

In this case the only thing I can advise is to take an entirely new tactic with him because I can't see how he can really make changes with both of you having tantrums and he's in the middle. He's choosing her side because he doesn't want DD to think he loves you more than her?
Demanding that he do things your way is possibly making things worse. Your reasons are sound don't take this in the wrong way but your approach is just adding to the crazy chaotic mix of tantrums screaming yelling and demanding

PickAChew · 01/10/2016 22:48

Regardless of how you handle the rest, no expensive electronics get bought without a letter for school specify what's needed and why. No official letter with no required specs, then no laptop. Simples.

I suspect some of the refusal to discipline his kids is borne out of a desire to be the favourite parent. What do they get away with at their mums?

WankingMonkey · 01/10/2016 22:57

As far as I know, they don't really get away with anything at their mums. From what she says, they do a hell of a lot less there than they do here. They very very very rarely go out anywhere. They used to do the weekly shopping with her and that was their only trip out for ages but now they don't even do that as she works in a supermarket so just gets it at the end of her shift. She says DSS1 tends to just play on his xbox/ipod. Same with DSD, though she occasionally goes out with friends. DSS2 is mostly for his computer but plays a lot of football and is at the age where he doesn't really give a crap about going out with family and wants to be out with his mates instead.

She says, she gets the odd tantrum about stuff such as refusing to buy new shoes just for the sake of it. Or saying no to a second biscuit.

They fight/bicker between themselves but no more than you would expect from kids their age.

I don't really know which different tactic I can take. I have ignored it as best I can, tried just talking when we are alone, and I don't usually shout at him but this weekend its just all got too much. I try to just ignore her tantrums, BUT when my son is being shouted at for nothing..I cannot ignore that. I also can't continue the ignoring route since its rubbing off on my much younger DC :S

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IceIceIce · 01/10/2016 23:52

I hope I don't offend but can I ask how your OH treats you in general? Only, you realise you are saying you are considering letting him spend money you can't afford, money that you need for the whole family, in order to avoid him kicking off at you.

Does he regularly do this sort of thing? Which one started first? Because my personal feeling is that she has noticed something in how her dad treats you and gets his own way and she has figured out a way to do the same.

She continues to do it because it's working.

IceIceIce · 01/10/2016 23:54

I really think you need to transfer the money before he spends it. He really cannot be allowed to do that to you.

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 00:00

No this is definitely not a regular thing. Generally all big money decisions we share. Little spending and that we don't consult each other unless having a very bad month where we need to watch each penny. We do not argue very much about anything, or didn't until recently...and even now its mainly about DSC than anything else (today was the first time we have actually argued infront of her though..). We bicker a lot. And sometimes he gets frustrated with how much he does while it seems like I do nothing or not very much. But its never really more than a passing comment and an apology later for how he spoke. As I say, besides this issue everything seems to be quite fine...

DSDs behavior started first I think. Honestly its hard to pin down because it kind of snuck up on me and I didn't realise how bad it all was until last week when I looked back and thought 'fuck'. This week was just the icing on the cake.

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PickAChew · 02/10/2016 00:01

I suspected as much. He definitely wants to e fun dad.

I think the only tactic you can play strongly is emphasising that YOU expect people under your roof to treat others kindly and with respect. Your DSS knocking lumps out of each other is neither kind nor respectful. Ask your DP outright why he thinks it's OK, if he refuses to tackle such behaviours (particularly given how he laid into 2yo for being, well, 2).

And I do think that you need to be quietly assertive with him. If he lays into you for taking issue with his ignoring of bad behaviour from DSC towards each other, re-iterate calmly that your don't want your household to be one where violence and lack of respect for each other is tolerated.

And don't so much as threaten to leave him as, if he turns around what you said and insists that you're not respecting him, say to him that he's obviously condoning violence and should really leave, if that's the case.

One of the things that made me see the light and leave my ex was the realisation of how badly he continually browbeat his mum over trivial stuff.

IceIceIce · 02/10/2016 00:08

Right. Then I agree with pickachu. He wants to be fun dad. She's noticed this gradually with small things that have gotten bigger. She also knows you are not obstacle because each time her dad's sided with her when she's made demands he just reinforces that he will over rule you.

I think you should transfer the money and if possible get someone to watch the kids and have a serious talk. He needs to realise that there is a huge difference between being fun dad and being irresponsible and wreck less dad.

You deserve better than this. You do not deserve to live on the breadline. He simply cannot be allowed to put you and your kids through that in favour of this unreasonable demand and obvious lie.

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 00:21

OK thank you. I will transfer the money over to my account now. Hopefully its not too bad tomorrow..but I guess the reaction could help shape my response to it all..so I need to see it as a learning curve or something lol

FIL is having the kids on Wednesday night so that seems the perfect time to bring it all up properly as we will have hours on our own.

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hermione2016 · 02/10/2016 00:50

I had a thread in step parenting a while ago as in a similar situation. Sadly after years of this behaviour I finally had to leave.H was always very indulgent and over protective of SD but this went into overdrive around the same age..Balant lies told by SD were ignored and she learned she was in charge. My resentment grew and I could only be positive to Sd, never correct her.H was absolutely much tougher on our son.

At 18, she now has a serious entitlement issue but her complaints (such as she doesn't get private skiing lessons!) were taken completely seriously by h and I was blamed for her upset.
He developed anger with me, the more I tried to put boundaries in place.

Interestingly fil did similar with h's sister (she was the centre of his universe) and H would tell me how he resented it growing up.
I have had to take myself out of the situation because it became too unhealthy for me.I hope you can fix the situation.

We even tried coubselling who told h that he needed boundaries.I wrote emails, nothing worked as he became convinced I was only negative about her.

MsJamieFraser · 02/10/2016 07:02

The laptop issue is easily sorted, text the mother and ask about the laptop, then phone the school and ask them and even ask the 13 year old.

Then you need to demand dh parent his kids, and worse case, do as MIL suggested.

Soupandasandwich · 02/10/2016 08:17

I wouldn't speak to the school. I would email them. I'd explain that dsd is under the impression that homework can only be completed on a computer and that it needs to be printed out at home. Can they clarify the situation as this is a major expense for a family and if it is the case,, why has this information been passed on verbally to the students, rather than a letter to parents, who are, after all, the ones paying for it. I have no doubt at all that the reply will confirm there is no such requirement. You will though, have it in writing to counteract any claims by dsd that you are lying.

Fwiw, dc1 is a teacher and in their school, occasionally IT homework needs to be done on a computer, but the school ensures that pupils have after school access to school computers. Those who do it at home can either email it in to their school email address or save to a USB stick, so that it can be printed at school.

Sorry your dh is being such an arse about this. Flowers

Myusernameismyusername · 02/10/2016 11:31

I thought about this more than I should last night and had some more suggestions for this laptop situation, wondering if you can delay it with DP saying you will search for good deals/wait for the sales giving you in the meantime an opportunity to email the school to clarify. I think getting upset and battling DSD is fuelling the fire and she will get more defensive and then DP defends her more.

Mine do have laptops and we have a printer. They do use them for homework but it is not mandatory. They were an xmas present and they did not get any other presents last year as they were top of my budget.

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 12:29

OK everything is calmer today, I think a full nights sleep helped a lot. DSD has gone home, DH appears to see my side...its kind of like the weekend never even happened. After all of the fuss about having to get this laptop today, it wasn't even mentioned?! Her mother is going to talk to her about the whole laptop thing again, and if she sticks to her lies she says she will ask the teachers tomorrow infront of her and will get it in writing if needed. DH has opened up a little bit to me and says he doesn't actually know why things have changed but accepts things have changed over the past few months. He says he will stop giving in...but I will believe it when I see it. He says he actually doesn't know what he was thinking during the argument as he does know that the whole 'I need my own laptop not the computer, and the one I have at home isnt good enough' was a load of bollocks? But can't tell me why he was fighting me on it.

Little steps I think.

I have a GP appointment on Tuesday so I might sound off a bit to her also, it seems to help getting it all out..not sure but she may also be able to advise me on if it sounds like he is depressed or not, but never asked a GP about other people before so not sure how that would work.

Crazy to think I was seriously considering leaving him over this..when it seems to have disappeared overnight. I am not naive though and fully expect it to be back to the same stuff next weekend. Even if he sticks to what he says, we are in for a rough ride whilst DSD fights the authority thats back in place :S

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 02/10/2016 12:39

Could you ask her DM write down a set of rules that are in place at her house and then for her to ask DH to follow them, for the sake of consistency at your house too?

For example, no rudeness to adults, no shouting at adults or she loses iPod for x amout of time?

That stops you and MIL from being the bad guys and gives DH something to fall back on. If he and exW get on well enough then maybe they can sit together to write the rulebook?

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 12:43

Yeah I can do, I never thought of that. There doesn't seem to be any rules as such though from what she has said, they just...treat her with respect and listen to her. Her punishments are always the same. Remove their electrical items for a period of time, increasing each time they have to be removed. It could be nice to adopt that here as it would force them to socialize instead of sitting in silence.

I have asked him to call her later on to have a talk with her about it all. she seems to be on my side and doesn't understand when DH got so soft or why either.

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m0therofdragons · 02/10/2016 12:45

Our local school insists all homework is submitted online and another includes iPads on their essentials list so it could be true. Dh and I fully expect to need to provide dd1 with a laptop once she reaches secondary - maybe our schools are odd?

Myusernameismyusername · 02/10/2016 12:46

Is her under a lot of stress? Stress can be just as destructive as depression.

Myusernameismyusername · 02/10/2016 12:46

*he sorry meaning your DP

Myusernameismyusername · 02/10/2016 12:47

Some schools do insist on this but it is made clear at the open evenings and on the kit lists.

They don't suddenly introduce this 3 weeks into a term

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 12:50

Our local school insists all homework is submitted online and another includes iPads on their essentials list so it could be true. Dh and I fully expect to need to provide dd1 with a laptop once she reaches secondary - maybe our schools are odd?

Oh I understand that some of the homework may well need done online. The issue is, the school apparently insisting she needs a 'new' laptop. When she has one already that she could use. AND she could use the desktop to do it.

Is her under a lot of stress? Stress can be just as destructive as depression.

He doesn't seem to be stressed? Though not sure how one would seem to be stressed in all honesty...nothing has changed recently or anything, unless its just crept up on him. He only has been behaving this way when DSC are there too, so if it was stress would it not be all of the time? I don't know much about it tbh..

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BaronessEllaSaturday · 02/10/2016 12:56

Our local school insists all homework is submitted online and another includes iPads on their essentials list so it could be true. It may be true that she does need access to a computer to do homework, I know my own dc needed it however that does not mean that they have to have their own laptop and printer in both houses.

Myusernameismyusername · 02/10/2016 13:09

If he only behaves this way when all 5 children are at your house then it could be that he is feeling stressed out and tries to keep the peace between everyone especially as DSD does not seem to respect you so in effect he is solely responsible for his own kids and helping you with little ones etc. His defensive behaviour to you and his mum when you try to intervene sounds like it stresses him out even more. Maybe implementing a new routine could help everyone. Does he have any stress at work?
I'm not trying to find excuses but maybe you could talk to him about whether he feels stressed out. Certain situations make me feel more stressed than usual especially when I feel under pressure, whereas depression is a constant feeling and not easily relieved

WankingMonkey · 02/10/2016 13:46

He hasn't mentioned any stress at work, and honestly I can't see it. He is a gardener so physical but not exactly a 'stressful job' and his boss just lets him get on with things at his own pace and he seems to really love his job.

Definitely going to have an indepth conversation about this once we are child free on Wednesday..and if he gets all defensive again then its kind of tough. It needs sorted and now. He seems fine now..totally chilled out and playing with our two quite happily. It was like a weight was lifted from his shoulders once the other 3 left, he was in an ok mood anyway this morning but I could sense a definite change in him once the house was calmer again. Which sounds awful when I put it like that. I think I am going to try and..let him think things were his idea. This may work better than me just telling him my side. I do know this makes me as bad as DSD as it is obvious manipulation though :S

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flanjabelle · 02/10/2016 14:12

Perhaps angle it as "wouldn't it be great if the house was calmer like this when the step kids are here?" Then talk about ways to achieve that.

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