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DH had Emotional Affair but complicated life situation

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ExpatTrailingSpouse · 25/08/2016 18:39

First time poster on here - have been reading lots of posts last year or so, and now looking for thoughts, maybe not advice per se.

Also, apologize in advance if this gets a bit long, it's a complicated situation.

Last year, I found out DH was having at the very least an emotional affair while he was on a business trip with a work colleague and missed our DS' 2nd birthday. Turned out actually it had been going on since before our DS was 1 and maybe even longer than that. He worked in location A and she in location B - so when he travelled to B, he would always see her for dinner at least. Several overseas business trips - Europe, Asia, etc, where it turned out he was spending all his spare time with her outside of work meetings. Plus the last trip when I found out - the work meeting was all of two days - he spent almost two full weeks with her jaunting around Europe in different locations, and in fact changed his original dates to extend so that he would purposefully miss our DS 2nd birthday.

According to him, he swears no physical stuff happened, OW had no idea he thought of her as more than friends, and that she just likes to travel with other married male colleagues. I've never met her, despite having been with him on business trips to her location, and actually being in some of the European cities at the same time as her (Paris, unknown to me he was with her in Paris for a day or two before I got there with DS to meet up with him). So find it hard to believe that some OW would think it's ok to go on trips with a married colleague without even thinking about if the wife knows or ever meeting the wife, etc etc, plus the implausibility of it all in general.

Some other stuff - we're on expat assignment, had just signed a contract to buy our first house and a cross-country move due to his job when I found out. I couldn't see an easy way to get out of the contract as he admitted who he was with two days after the option period expired and we were already committed to the move so we ended up buying the house. I'm on a visa where I could work but a) we've been moving every 2-3 years and until recently I've been SAHM with our now 3 year old, and b) I've no idea what happens to my immigration status if we separate. His family have no idea what's happened but must have picked up some vibes. If I leave I'd potentially have to leave the country, and also have been out of work for over 3 years (essentially quit my Phd) due to having DS and being a trailing spouse following DH for his job, so don't even know if I could get a decent job anymore. Also that means DS would be far away from his dad since it'd be two different countries... DH has said he would quit his job if we left, except as the sole current income of our family, that's not exactly helpful either.

We've been going to counseling - took 8 months before he finally got sorted to actually go regularly as opposed to once every few months. Sometimes I think we're making progress, then other times, feel like we've made none. Examples: found out 4 months after original d-day, that he was still working with this OW, even though he told me he was no contact. Found out couple of weeks ago, that his big trip with her last year actually had yet another country involved and only because I accidentally came across a souvenir (I was looking for something I'd lost), and he tried to tell me that first off he already had told me when I knew he hadn't, and second that it wasn't a big deal. Also found out he may have screwed the pooch at work too, as his most likely career path would take him back to being under direct supervision of the OW!

He's definitely improved his parenting, no doubts there, but more and more feeling like reconciliation for us as a couple isn't possible by this point. He is kind of trying at home to contribute more (cleaning up after himself, etc), but I feel like that's just coming up to a minimum standard that I should have held him to before all this came out. (Example: cleaning his own p*ss off the floor). And all I get in counseling is - can't you see I'm trying, or don't you think i'm trying, which just makes me feel like I'm the bad guy for nagging him to actually follow through and do what he says he's going to do.

I feel like I'm starting to ramble, but just so much sh*t going on at once, it's hard to distil the salient points. Any thoughts/ideas welcome...

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springydaffs · 03/09/2016 22:57

Why not call Womens Aid from there to get some advice? 0808 2000 247.

Although WA are THE experts on domestic abuse, the clue is in the title - they aid women. You could get some legal advice through them - as well as advice about the practicalities. And general support.

TendonQueen · 03/09/2016 22:58

Hang on, so if you spent money on a lawyer he would get 'super whiny'? I think that would be the point where fixing him with a steely glare and saying 'YOU CAN HARDLY COMPLAIN, YOU WENT OFF ON A SODDING GRAND TOUR WITH ANOTHER WOMAN' would be appropriate. He should be grovelling to you, not moaning, right now.

springydaffs · 03/09/2016 22:58

I'm sure there is a WA equivalent in the US.

springydaffs · 03/09/2016 22:58

But you need advice re UK law.

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 03/09/2016 23:23

I *think it would be legal to move back to uk. As he isn't prevented from following/living/working. That's kind of the impression I got from a different lawyer in another state.

And yes ... When I told him I'd spoken to a lawyer briefly before he was totally shocked and upset, couldn't imagine why I might have done that 🙄

Last couple weeks, I've just not felt the effort and have slowly/finally realized me (and ds) come first, as opposed to all three of us as a family.

dozer called about 5 law firms and all charge for initial consult. Range of 80gbp up to 400gbp. Also need someone who has both divorce and immigration law experience as I'm on a visa here.

tendon believe me there have been many "you can hardly complain, you went off on a sodding grand tour with another woman" moments this past year. Usually when he's criticizing how much I spent on groceries/household/even myself or trips to visit my family etc.

springy I haven't looked into but generally feel the WA equivalent here is reserved for women in abusive situations. And I wouldn't feel right taking those resources from someone who needs it much more than me. The US is not as big on social services don't forget. As I said, also need a lawyer who is up on divorce law in this state as well as international custody = $$$$$$. (I've found one, actually a couple, just need to get the cash together to pay).

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WombOfOnesOwn · 04/09/2016 00:20

I'm an American. There are absolutely women's resources for this kind of thing. Please do some Google searching for those in your area. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a divorce attorney who would take this case on a contingency fee basis.

springydaffs · 04/09/2016 09:54

Sounds like an abusive relationship to me. Don't forget it's not just physical violence - my husband never hit me but he managed to make mincemeat of my heart and mind. Have a look at some domestic abuse sites.

And move to the UK. That'll cost about as much as hiring a lawyer for the initial consultation.

You seem curiously stuck, your options limited. But that isn't the case at all. You're (both) not from the US so leave.

TwoWeeksInCyprus · 04/09/2016 10:09

Usually when he's criticizing how much I spent on groceries/household/even myself or trips to visit my family etc
He sounds charming ☹️

Whisky2014 · 04/09/2016 10:27

This is crazy! I can't believe you are even comprehending possibly staying with a guy who basically had a holiday for 2 weeks in other countries plus all the other business trips and dinners. They are having a relationship. He doesn't give a shit about you. Clearly. It's horrible. Just fucking leave him. Your single life will be much easier without having to think about this twat too.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 04/09/2016 10:29

Do you want to stay in the same country as him?

If so, get a job there. A bloody good job. Seriously. Your job fear is irrational. You sound like so so many new mothers. I even had a long moment myself where I saw a future working the Asda checkout as my probable future despite being very highly educated. You'll be fine. Get a life coach or career counsellor type person. Damn clever people are in demand. You will be in demand. You can make a good career. Being in a serious job is remarkably good for your self-esteem.

If you really think you aren't going to get a good job then you are daft Grin Get thee to a life coach.

jeaux90 · 04/09/2016 10:42

Hey OP. I work in a male dominated business. I travel for work with my male colleagues all the time, we might stay an extra night somewhere for fun, but never does it enter my mind about their marital situation. This is their business not mine and I do have close friendships with a couple of them but nothing ever happens ever. I am a single parent by the way.

I am not saying he is not doing what you perhaps suspect him of but don't do the woman the injustice of assuming she is behaving badly when she might just be doing her job. Of course she might have to travel with Mm ffs

ImperialBlether · 04/09/2016 10:48

I got stuck at your statement that he thinks he's making things work by cleaning up his own urine off the bathroom floor.

IreallyKNOWiamright · 04/09/2016 11:23

A female colleague who likes travelling with Mm. I don't think he is telling you the truth. She sounds like a man eater and doesn't care who gets hurt as long as she gets what she wants on her business trips.
I think from your posts you are trying to avoid the real problem and I think this is more than a emotional affair. However. We are only people who read your post and don't know your dh like you do. So let's hope we are all wrong. I hope we are.

jeaux90 · 04/09/2016 11:35

Knowimright.....and how do you exactly expraplolate she is a man eater from the OP?

TwoWeeksInCyprus · 04/09/2016 12:26

It's kind of irrelevant what this woman is like. It's the way the DH treats his DW that's the problem.

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 04/09/2016 15:38

Womb yes, i should ask. i didn't get into a lot of details, felt horribly awkward calling, as all phone operators would say, so are you interested in a divorce, and i'm kinda like isn't that what i just said?

springy ds is US citizen, so not sure how that all gets affected.

Whisky in case i wasn't too clear, it's been over a year since D-day. first few months was shock/all the day to day of moving across the country, etc, then some time to see if dh was going to make an effort. had thought things were progressing in counselling, but just feeling more like we're getting nowhere, hence the post on MN. (i.e. i'm as sure as i can be there is no more relationship).

Rabbit unsure about staying here. But don't want to leave and have DH impulsively quit before i've got a job where i can more easily legally work! As he is sole source of income at moment and we've got a mortgage. I should look into some career assistance stuff, but the visa thing worries me more - when i finally get a consult, i might have a better idea of my status if i stay. (at the moment i don't have any legal right to live and work here without that spousal visa).

jeaux i've not said anything about OW. however, we're not talking about an extra night... the trip where i finally realized he was gone for 2 weeks, 2 days of which were actual work. she had to take vacation days also to do this... supposedly while she also had a boyfriend.

and yes, agree with others, OW is not the point, i am not in a relationship with her. i have met other female colleagues of his, who we've had over to her house, and then been to theirs or had lunch with, etc. i've never met the ow a single time, and in fact had heard her name twice before - once when he first started at the company when he was complaining how difficult to work with she was, and the second time when i found out he was on this extended trip with her. i've not contacted her as there are employment issues at risk and i'm not willing yet to jeopardize our only source of income.

thanks all, it may sound easy to just say LTB, but in real life, there are always things to consider that you'd never have imagined before. so i appreciate all the viewpoints/advice etc.

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Dozer · 04/09/2016 15:49

This is a very clear cut situation though OP: nothing worth you remaining in the relationship. Please seek some help: you would not be wasting womens' voluntary organisations' time.

TwoWeeksInCyprus · 04/09/2016 19:10

If you felt you might be wasting the time of Women's Aid or similar, you could always plan to make a donation to them in future when you're in a position to do so.

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 06/09/2016 17:23

thanks all - hard to post when DH constantly looking over my shoulder.

i've started getting ducks lined up and getting solid info, etc. i'll talk to the law firms to see what the payment deal is, and look into any free advice i might be able to get also.

spending time on MN has made me realize how much i've not paid attention to manipulative tactics during disagreements, and how much i've let slide because i thought it wasn't worth holding a grudge over or was told i was being unreasonable or thought that was the normal thing to do. starting to finally get a better handle on it all and think of myself/ds first.

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adora1 · 06/09/2016 17:53

God please wise up OP, he is still with her, they have sex loads of times, she's been the woman he has spent all his time and money on, he's giving you half hearted attempts to make you think he is trying, if that's trying then god help you!

Please just get rid, he's not worth the urine he spills on your floor.

I am actually amazed at his audacity and your seemingly acceptance as though it's not that bad, it is, REALLY BAD, only one answer, get rid!

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 06/09/2016 18:05

adora - thanks for your input. while i cannot say anything about them being together over phone, internet etc, i can categorically say they aren't together physically any more since we moved quite far across the country (1500 miles?) and he hasn't got the opportunity to do so. i don't think it's a waste to give it time to see if there's anything salvageable, especially as it will definitely be a harder life if i leave. obviously at this point (16 months on), it's getting less salvageable.

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springydaffs · 07/09/2016 02:00

Have a look here

Just have a look. You may or may not recognise some of it but it's good to look just in case.

HerRoyalNotness · 07/09/2016 02:42

I'm in the US on DHs visa and had to look into some of this last year. You are able to stay in the US if you separate, but when you divorce you'd have to leave. This would buy you some time to figure out what you want to do.

All the best.

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 12/09/2016 06:49

springy thank you. i've looked at quite a few of these - i do recognize some signs, but not all, and not enough to make me think i'm in that bad of a position. if you've been over on the incompetent husband thread, that's similar to how i've felt, other than the OW stuff, and that's why i don't feel comfortable accessing Legal Aid meant for women in abusive situations.

Royal thank you for your input, I did wonder if it might be something like this. DH is away on business this week so planning to set up an appointment to find out for sure.

In general, I've spent a lot of time thinking about the situation, and having not felt like there's been a fundamental change in DH, feel like I need to keep going making plans for my and DS' future. About to hit the submit button on a UK job application - going through my work history and scrutinizing and reading and re-reading cover letter/cv a million times, i realized i've got a broader range of experience than i'd thought! so a nice boost to hopefully get me through job searching.

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springydaffs · 13/09/2016 22:22

That sounds encouraging then! Nothing like a job application to make you feel you're wonderful! I get quite dazzled with myself when I fill one in.

I really do wish you all the best with whatever you decide to do Flowers

ps not sure I agree with you about not needing to access services for people who are 'worse off', though. Yes, some people have horrendous situations but that doesn't make the other stuff of no consequence.