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An argument on finances can't agree help!!

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Babyblueeyes92 · 26/07/2016 09:58

Hi guys, please bear with.. I appreciate all opinions and really need some input help.
My DF moved in a good few of months ago. I'm pregnant with his child and have three children from a previous relationship.

My ex is a useless shit who doesn't provide a dime for his children. He is on benefits so I can't claim CSA. He does see them once a fortnight. He will have a few extra days in the holidays too. He has always been an arsehole so I can't force him to do something he won't. He sees his children because that is their choice and I know access and money are two separate issues and I don't argue that. He can see them when he wants.. He chooses minimum.

My current partner hates the situation and says I should force him to pay. If anyone could tell me how I would appreciate it. Apart from the my children see my partner as a second dad and he sees and treats them as his own. From disaplining to buying clothes for them. The only problem their is he do does moan that its us doing all the providing while their father doesn't. I get his reasoning but this is a daily argument and he doesn't understand he will never change.

Now we both work.
Me part time my partner full time.
I used to work full time and then childcare became and issue and I had to drop my hours.
Unfortunately now I'm pregnant and have become very ill with a heart condition. It's quite serious and I've had to give up work. Atm I'm on sick leave and then I'll go onto maternity but the doctors tell me I'm probably not going to be able to return.

So that means my wage will have gone completely and only my partner will be able to work.

This far finances have gone like this.
I pay all the bills, rent and food out of my wage a family tax credits.
He pays sky and all the fun bits.

Unfortunately because I can't work anymore the only income I will have is family tax credits and I can't afford to pay all the bills and food out of that.

My partner has said he won't be having a joint bank account and he shouldn't have to pay the bills is their father doesn't. If anything his contribution should be 1/5 of the household because as it stands that is all he is using.
He says ill have to use family tax credits because that's what it's for (I agree) because he isn't working to provide for the family on his own.
Now I understand how he feels.. but I can't have him living here and me struggling to make ends meet if he is willing to put his pride down.
If he wasn't living here I would have to claim a sickness income because of my illness.
I would have help until I'm able to work again and I wouldn't need to struggle. Is everyone following lol?
If I had a choice I would be working full time I've worked all my life and I live that sense of freedom it gives me. But I can’t support four children and a partner on no income.
Now he has said once his child is here he will contribute more. But whats that 2/6 of the family?

I rent a council house so rent isn't expensive.. buy all the other stuff on tope is.
I have explained to him that if he moves out he will have to rent his own 2 bedroom place for him and his unborn child as well as I have to and that will be at least 500 out of his wage gone already.
So he does have it to easy here..
He did agree he said yes I know I will... He then went on saying but I've bought the washer and cooker and things for the baby etc. (I too have bought household items, wardrobes etc and things for the baby) He said he has invested in the house so why should he be the one to move out.

I said we'll because I'm paying for the actual house and the four children that live in it. He doesn't quite understand what my point is. Yet I completely get his.
His answer to that was pay me back for everything I have bought and I will leave, I can't start again with no help.
He is being totally unreasonable and we are supposed to be getting married and having a baby!
Please someone do you have any experience or input? I'm at a loss!!

OP posts:
Metalguru · 26/07/2016 18:32

Op you sound like such a strong person, I feel for you so much having left an abusive relationship, thought you had found a soul mate and now together truth is starting to sink in. I have been there, I know! And from what you have described you haven't been an idiot, you trusted him, he pulled the wool over your eyes, he gave you false promises. We all trust when we are starting a relationship, you did nothing wrong.

But now he is showing his true colours, you know this. He resents your kids, if he really loved you he would love them as he loved you.

You know you have to leave him, please get done good advice from cab before you do anything else regarding job, house, relationship. Take care and remember the fact he is another arsehole is not your fault xxxx

JayDot500 · 26/07/2016 18:42

I agree with most people here, it seems as though your fiance is starting to unravel and show his true self. Yes, he is allowed to want their father to pay up, but no, it shouldn't become an argument over finances. Your children are an extension of yourself. There is no argument, he needs to see your children as his 'burden' and move on. You both cannot force your ex to pay, and trust me I know the rotten type of man as I'm around many women who have suffered from their ex partners' refusal to pay even the minimum amount towards their children. And yes, these men present themselves as angels in the eyes of their kids.

If your fiance doesn't rapidly 'get with the program', then perhaps you should move on without him.

llhj · 26/07/2016 18:50

Yes good advice above re your employment status.
You mustn't resign. Your health condition sounds serious enough for medical retirement from nursing. You may be eligible for a sick health retirement pension.

ImperialBlether · 26/07/2016 18:52

Where the hell do these men come from?

He pays for Sky? Which he wants? And pays NOTHING for bills etc?

He's bought a washing machine - and no way should he take that with him, by the way - which I bet you use to wash his dirty clothes.

God almighty, when will women stop supporting men like this?

Fairylea · 26/07/2016 19:04

Op it's not your fault you chose bad men. It's very easily done, they don't walk around with a huge sign on their head. I've done it myself. Thing is you can change this. And you must.

For balance, my dh is step dad to dd aged 13 and dad to our ds aged 4 and we pool all income, all outgoings go out of a joint account and whatever is left to spend we split between us equally. Both dc treated as his own even though only one is. Don't settle for less.

condaleeza · 29/07/2016 10:03

But it is the OP's fault she chose bad men - no-one else did it for her!

princessmi12 · 29/07/2016 10:44

But it is the OP's fault she chose bad men - no-one else did it for her!
OK Lady! The older you get the less you get to choose from!

blindsider · 29/07/2016 10:47

My DF moved in a good few of months ago. I'm pregnant with his child

WTF?? Shock are you from Vale of Dean??

Obliviated · 29/07/2016 11:07

My ex had a similar opinion, he contributed nothing towards anything because he didn't see why he should be supporting my children, he wouldn't even put anything towards the gas and electric because my DC used more of it than he did. He would buy his own food but none of us could eat it because it was his. He worked full time and had no outgoings apart from his phone and his car. We eventually split up and he moved into a flat - he then did nothing but complain about how much things cost, rent, bills etc.

Several years on, I live with my Dp and my DC. I was amazed at the difference, I couldn't believe that someone was handing over their wages to pay towards everything, even things like clothes and school shoes. It's not even split down the middle as he has more money than I do so pays more. I didn't even need to ask, when we moved in together we looked at the total amount of outgoings and there was no discussion about him paying towards the Dc. We just came as a unit. Sometimes it still surprises me. I don't even have to think about the rent, it just comes out of his wages. Such a difference. I respect him for his attitude and feel respected and valued by him.

You'll be much better off without him.

princessmi12 · 29/07/2016 13:51

He would buy his own food but none of us could eat it because it was his.
He would not spend a night in MY house under these rules.

eloelo · 29/07/2016 13:58

he is a cocklodger

lalaloopyhead · 29/07/2016 14:06

Goodness, have my first ever LTB! Or bin him off and get him to move out. My ex hasn't paid me anything for our 2dcs in over 10 years and my DH has never so much as mentioned this, it just doesn't come up. to be fair in the start I was the only earner and paid for everything while DH was a sahp to my two and our joint dc. They are older now and he works and we split everything including responsibility of my dc.

Do not marry this man!

junebirthdaygirl · 29/07/2016 14:12

I'm worried about you going through all that after having a heart attack and pregnant. Please get someone in your family to escort this man off as lm afraid he will turn nasty and you are not able for that. Please do not try to convince him that he must contribute. If it's not in his heart to support a pregnant woman who has just had a major health issue he is a piece of scum and should be nowhere near you or your children. Tell him he can miss his first month of support for the baby to pay for the bloody washing machine. He is a total creep and l feel so angry. You do not need this stress. Get the big guys in ie your family which l hope you have nearby. Or good friends. He didn't even pay his share of the rent. For goodness sake as a nurse you must be made of good stuff, do not waste it on this guy.

user1469017213 · 29/07/2016 15:22

Why do women like you keep choosing losers? It baffles me. He's a cocklodger. Get rid. Get sterilised. You now have four kids to support yourself and 2 sets of deadbeat dads to contend with. You have a serious health condition that could end up with your children motherless to be frank.

This. I feel quite angry reading this thread. Meanwhile the OP is arguing about who paid for a new wardrobe Confused.

LayMeDown · 29/07/2016 15:33

Do not under any circumstances let him take the washer and cooker That can cover his unpaid rent and bills to date.

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