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Is my marriage over? I don't know how to come back from this

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DoopDoopBiscuit · 19/06/2016 21:15

Yesterday afternoon I received a message from a man I didn't know saying my husband was having an affair with his wife and I needed to talk to my husband about it. I asked him who his wife was and does he have evidence. He told me her name and said he did have evidence, but that my husband owed it to me to tell me himself.

I confronted my husband and of course he denied it. I told him this man was about to send me proof so to own up now. He ended up admitting they'd been sending inappropriate/flirty messages to each other the night before, but said that he hadn't been having an affair it was "just" the messages (which of course have been deleted).

To cut a long story short, it turns out the ow husband doesn't have evidence of an affair after all. It seems he sent me a message stating it was an affair in the hope that I'd find out all the details as he wasn't sure if he could believe his wife that it was "only" the messages which he had found. I don't blame him at all and thanked him for telling me.

Years ago I found out DH was messaging this same woman when he acted suspiciously and I ended up looking in his messages. He'd deleted the messages but 1 or 2 "normal" messages remained and it was obvious messages had been deleted in between. For a few hours he swore blind that they must've deleted themselves Hmm and he had nothing to hide, until it became obvious I wasn't as thick as shit and he admitted it. But again, as the messages had been deleted I only had his version of what had been said. We had a huge falling out but patched things up.

There has also been one other occasion where he was messaging his ex girlfriend inappropriately when we were first together. I found out because he was showing me something on his computer and the message popped up at the bottom. I didn't even notice but he jumped a mile and acted very strangely so I knew something was going on. He admitted to also meeting with her but said nothing happened. I'm not sure I believe this.

However I am fairly certain he hasn't been having an affair with this latest woman. I don't know when he'd have the opportunity. I think it's purely inappropriate messages. But even if it is, what am I supposed to do now?! I have only ever known what he has chosen to tell me of these situations. I have no trust left. We have had huge arguments about the previous 2 situations and now I find myself here again. I feel like I'm being taken for a fool. I'm a strong person. I don't take any crap from people, and yet this is the third time this has happened. Is it worth ending my marriage over?

I hate what he has done. We have a small child who adores him. A mortgage. 2 sets of flights booked to visit family before this year is over. I'm a sahm. I feel trapped. I don't want to leave my home and uproot my DC. Why should I?! I like my life as it is and I don't want it to change. But how can I live with someone who I have no trust for? What a miserable existence.

I feel like DH has something wrong with him. He is a quiet and reserved man. Always wants to make everyone happy. (Except me I've pointed out). But he doesn't seem to fully understand other people's emotions. He can't seem to step outside of himself and out himself in someone else's shoes. Eg how would he feel if it were the other way around. I don't think he has any idea as he's incapable of feeling someone else's emotions. Does thus make sense?? Is there any disorder this may relate to?

Sorry this is so long. I don't really know what to do next. I don't want to talk to him but I guess I can't keep ignoring him. I've heard it all before and it just feels like he's reading from a script, not talking from his heart. It's as if he's always playing a character. Like he's too afraid to be real

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NoMudNoLotus · 19/06/2016 22:40

OP - mine had taken days annual leave without me knowing to see her - went out in a morning, came back in an evening - I thought he'd been at work all day.

DoopDoopBiscuit · 19/06/2016 22:43

I hadn't thought of that. I suppose thats entirely possible. I'm sorry that happened to you.

I've asked him to leave so will see what happens

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DoopDoopBiscuit · 19/06/2016 22:47

I've lurked in he relationships topic for a little while now. I think it's because deep down I knew I'd be needing it

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/06/2016 22:50

I wish there was a way of knowing the complete truth. That's definitely the hardest part for me

I completely understand; we get stuck in thinking we could somehow move on if he'd just tell the truth for once and all- almost like an internal bargaining system, where we trade what we know for what we hope might happen "if only he could see it"

Trouble is that might work the first time, but when it keeps happening you come to realize there's simply nothing left to fight for ... which is where the empowerment of legal advice comes in

Hellothereitsme · 19/06/2016 22:52

Mine had his affair during work hours, lunch breaks etc. They don't all have to work long hours and be buying new underwear to be having an affair I'm afraid. Trust your gut.

LucySnow12 · 19/06/2016 22:52

There are programs that can recover deleted texts. Google Dr Fone.

NoMudNoLotus · 19/06/2016 22:58

FlowersDoop. My heart goes out to you.

It won't be easy. Some days you might not eat or sleep for being so distressed & anxious - but my god - after surviving that I feel so much more confident in myself & my abilities .

And so will you. It will awaken within you real focus and meaning to your life that you never had before.

DoopDoopBiscuit · 19/06/2016 23:25

When I received the message yesterday saying my husband was having an affair and there was proof I actually felt relief! I was relieved that this time there would be proof. No wondering and going over and over in my mind what "might" be the truth. I felt so down when there wasn't any evidence after all.

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SomeDaysIDontGiveAMonkeys · 20/06/2016 01:38

Doop would you consider giving your husband an ultimatum in terms of he join you at RELATE or the marriage is definitely over. I get the sense that you're not ready to throw In the towel just yet and that's completely ok and most certainly doesn't make you a doormat. These flirtations do suggest he craves some sort of unrealistic excitement and needs to understand the realities of a relationship and that trust would need go be built up from scratch. It doesn't matter what we think. We don't know you or your husband and whilst we can offer advice, our opinions are irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things. Do you think I'm the first instance a bit of counselling for you to rebuild your self esteem and confidence to prepare for for the road ahead (no matter what you decide) might help?

DoopDoopBiscuit · 20/06/2016 06:55

Possibly monkeys. I'm really not sure. I don't want to throw away my marriage. But perhaps he has already done that. I think some time apart will help me know what I want - if he'll go. I'm not sure he will as he has nowhere to go. But I hope he respects me enough to leave for a while.

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confusionoftheillusion · 20/06/2016 07:06

OP... I am sorry this is Happening to you.

You don't sound like a doormat and I completely understand why you would want to understand your husband's behaviour more. Wanting to understand and see if there's a way to move forward doesn't make you weak or a doormat as some posters are saying.
Some people can just walk away and others can't. I'm in the latter camp and am definitely not a doormat.

If you want to find out more and think you might want to save your marriage I would do the following:

  1. Tell DH to leave for a bit while you get your head straight but that you will meet up to discuss and you expect 100% truth. Share with him the things you've told us about his personality .
  1. Have him go to counselling to explore all this
  1. Get counselling alone for you or together if you think it will help?
  1. Keep a dialogue going on your terms and see where it takes you.

your marriage does not belong to mumsnet.

It is your choice and your choice only so do what YOU want.

It takes guts to leave and make it on your own and it also takes guts to stay and work through all the issues. Whatever you choose though please address it.

Good luck Flowers

DoopDoopBiscuit · 20/06/2016 08:01

Thank you so much confusion you've made me cry Flowers I've mostly felt nothing until now

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2016 11:55

I hope he respects me enough to leave for a while

So do I ... there may be difficulties over where he'll go, but if he's not prepared to make a small amount of effort to address that, he's hardly going to make the much bigger one needed to save your marriage

And yes, odd as it sounds I understand your "relief" to finally have some proof. It's the end of believing you might be going mad, isn't it?

DoopDoopBiscuit · 20/06/2016 13:12

He said he had nowhere to go and that he could come home late and leave early. I told him its up to him where he goes but the needs to go. I suggested he could stay with friends or family but that would mean admitting the truth. I said I thought that might help make him realise the reality of what he's done and it's not just some kind of fantasy that's played out over the Internet. He agreed telling people would help him to realise how real this is, but I've left it up to him. He can tell no one or everyone, but he needs to move out.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2016 13:19

He said he had nowhere to go and that he could come home late and leave early

Translation: "I'll keep my head down for a bit while she forgets about it - and since I'm confident she will forget about it, there's no point in staying with/involving relatives"

Have you given any more thought to seeing a solicitor?

DoopDoopBiscuit · 20/06/2016 13:53

Yes you're exactly right. Which is why I told him that no, he has to go.
I don't feel like I'm ready to see a solicitor yet. Although this seems like it's been going on for a long time, and I suppose it has, I had moved on in some ways and was getting on with my life. It was a big shock to receive that message on Saturday afternoon and I need time.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2016 14:14

DoopDoop we can all only do these things in our own time, and if you're not ready to make a move you're not

Please understand, though, that all the time he's there, he'll know that he's got away with it and will carry right on doing the same thing ... after all he's got away with it so far, so what possible reason would there be for him to change?

loobyloo1234 · 20/06/2016 14:35

Stay strong with asking him to leave you alone. You are not a doormat. BUT you need to have time to think clearly and without him though. Only then will you be able to make an informed decision

If you allow him to come straight back, and keep forgiving him, you are effectively giving him the green light to keep doing this over and over. And then where will your self esteem be? Hmm

Good luck Doop Flowers

HuskyLover1 · 20/06/2016 14:43

Sorry I didn't mean help him in regards to other woman. I meant that in regards to not being confident in himself

Crikey! If he is happily sexting other women right now, why the hell would you want to boost his confidence? That wouldn't calm him down would it? He's just up the ante and be even more bold with other women.

Fwiw, my 1st H was a bit of a player. Let me tell you, they don't change. So, you have 2 choices.

  1. Stay and accept that this is it for you.
  2. See a solicitor for advice.

You would be entitled to Child Support from him and half of all marital assets (plus a monetary sum worth half his pension). Child benefit is paid to the Mum, so you'd get that. And f you worked 16 hours or more per week, you'd get child tax credits. You may be able to make him leave the marital home and for it not to be sold until dc are 18. Personally, I would work all this out, see if you could go it alone and then make your plan. All in secret, of course. And YES, wait until he's had the windfall.

DoopDoopBiscuit · 20/06/2016 14:58

I'm not allowing him to come straight back, or letting him stay. I've told him to go so he will go. He has no option.

Thank you husky for the details of what I may get. I'm sure we will divorce but I'm not rushing to see a solicitor right away. I don't feel it's right for me to rush I want to take things one step at a time.

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PlatoTheGreat · 20/06/2016 15:01

The one thing that stand out for me is the fact you felt relieved to know someone had the proof of his infidelity. It's as if you have been waiting for someone to give you permission to get divorced.

DoopDoopBiscuit · 20/06/2016 15:12

Kind of. I've been waiting for someone to prove I'm not going mad I suppose. I felt I didn't want to give up on my marriage if I didn't know there was infidelity. I've felt like I didn't know what was happening and wanted someone to confirm it. I'm not saying that's right.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/06/2016 15:44

I've told him to go so he will go. He has no option

I thought he'd said he couldn't go and would "go early/return late" instead? Not that he means that either of course - the early leaving would get delayed by this and that, and the late return would no doubt be hijacked by "something he simply had to pop back for", and on and on

You might as well face it, DoopDoop ... having got away with it so far he's sitting pretty, with all the comforts of home, his dirty little activities kept under wraps and a wife he's confident will do nothing while actually believing she has to help him in some way. To give him his due he's obviously pretty good at this, but one certain thing is that he's not going to make this easy for you Hmm

DoopDoopBiscuit · 20/06/2016 16:24

Yes that's what he said. And I said no he can't do that he has to leave, so he's going to leave. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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