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STBXP and I living under same roof - emotional abuse

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PiratesHat · 30/05/2016 11:47

Partner and I decided to split up (he has been verbally abusive many times and physically abusive once a few weeks ago). We are living under the same roof at the moment as house jointly owned - DC are both under 2.

Yesterday we agreed we wanted split amicably. I told him I wasn't happy. He denied everything he'd done to cause this (the abuse) and basically blames me for the split.

Today he informed me we should see a solicitor tomorrow before we start telling people. I said I had a solicitor and then he went quiet. I said calmly I know it's hard but I think we are doing the right thing. He said that it was all about what I want. Then he started ranting.

"Everyone out there knows what I'm like, you may as well go back to your home town as no-one will believe you if we split up. You will have no friends"

"You have a solicitor lined up ready, you know what you are doing"

"You're taking my kids and screwing me over"

"All my family and friends have given me their full support, they know exactly what you are like"

"I haven't called you any names" (Denies calling me an evil B on multiple occasions).

He also accused me of saying I want more money from him yesterday - I said nothing of the sort.

He then stormed out of the house. He's gone now sigh of relief but God knowd how long for Envy

Can I reasonably stay in the house with him like this?

We haven't even come to sell the house yet but I'm worried if I leave he will stay put and make things difficult for me re: the sale. It is a large house and my share will basically enable me to buy a little house for me and DC. (I'm a SAHM and have no income at the moment).

He can easily stay with family nearby. I have no relatives here. I am just trying to avoid moving twice with two young children really - into a temporary rented home and then into my own when house sale goes through. Would be so much easier to stay here then move with the DCs when this place sells.

Please tell me what you would do in my situation. I am exhausted from thinking.

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PiratesHat · 01/06/2016 18:36

Thanks Another Emma - spoke to solicitor; they seem to think I have a good case due to the age of DCs, me being a SAHM and him having all his family nearby (8 spare bedrooms between them!!) He doesn't seem happy at the moment so may see if I can broach the separation issue tonight Confused

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NameChange30 · 01/06/2016 18:39

Stay safe. Don't hesitate to call the police if he gets very angry and aggressive.

IdaShaggim · 01/06/2016 20:33

I was in your position a year ago. I ended up moving twice, despite the fact that I thought it would be unsettling for DD. Staying in an abusive situation would have been even more unsettling. It was a massive hassle, and I felt quite uprooted for some time, but I'm so glad I did it. And now in my new home and feeling very happy and settled ☺️

PiratesHat · 01/06/2016 20:54

Ida, so pleased you are happy now and settled Smile how long were you in the abusive relationship for? Did your ex try to talk you into staying?
STBXP still living here, knows I'm about to walk and is now being extra nice... aaarggh!

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PiratesHat · 02/06/2016 10:12

So the nice bit didn't last. He had a go at me this morning for the 30 seconds I checked my phone while DD was having bfast.

Told him calmly we need to separate... He hurled accusations at me and threw toys around in DD playroom. He has just left after saying to DD1 "sorry about this. I hope you don't turn out like your shitty fucking grandparents. Or your mother" Shock

No idea where he is now; I think he's in the garage or one of our cars as I haven't seen him drive away. Any advice?

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OurBlanche · 02/06/2016 10:17

Back to the police to add to your last statement... make up your mind what it is you really want to do and then start doing it.

Hopefully some of the previous advice will be right for you and you can start actively putting your and your DCs in a better position.

Good luck.

NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 13:48

No advice to add really. I think you should go back to the solicitor and get the ball rolling with an occupation order. Are you getting legal aid or is your dad helping to pay the legal fees? Just wanted to remind you that legal aid should be an option if you're not already getting it.

PiratesHat · 02/06/2016 13:55

Thanks for your replies - I'm not entitled to Legal Aid due to my share of the house. Going to see if his family can mediate for us.

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NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 14:10

Please don't do that! His family won't be impartial. There are professional mediation services, but even that is not recommended if a partner is abusive.

FV45 · 02/06/2016 14:30

That he has somewhere to go (do you know they are willing to have him) will probably have a baring on the outcome of an Occ Order. It's about balance of harm (google will explain it better than I can!).

What put me off trying for an Occ Order was that only in an absolute crisis can they be served ex parte (without notice), meaning that he'd be served with papers saying I'd applied for it. That would not go down well.

A non-molestation order can be applied for ex parte. This will stop harassment and threats etc and may be useful for you if you do end up living under the same roof while you separate.

To be honest, I'd go for the non-mol order. My stbx has received stern letters from my sol about his behaviour. They're not legally binding, he knows it and the abuse continues.

Good luck. I have been living with mine for 18 months while we divorce and it's absolutely awful.

PiratesHat · 02/06/2016 16:59

AnotherEmma I was just trying to avoid costly and stressful legal action but I can see now that may be impossible Sad

FV45 I think if the non mol order doesn't change much (doubt it will) then I won't bother, as it will be using up my vital funds and I'm not entitled to Legal Aid. How on earth have you coped living under the same roof for 18 months? ShockAny tips gratefully received!

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NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 17:24

If you're concerned about legal costs, this page might be helpful:
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-rights/legal-system/taking-legal-action/help-with-legal-costs-free-or-affordable-help/

Ask solicitors about a free initial consultation and payment options - there might be some that allow you to pay some or all of the bill after you've settled the finances with your ex.

FV45 · 02/06/2016 17:35

pirate I haven't!

I am on ADs, lost a lot of weight, withdrawn, not been the Mother I want to be, spent all my savings, been a very, very needy friend and well...just a mess really.

PiratesHat · 02/06/2016 18:55

FV45 (((hugs)))) I feel your pain, hope things sort themselves out soon for you.

AnotherEmma thanks for the links. We have come to an agreement now re: house and kids, hope he sticks to it!

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NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 19:03

That sounds promising - what's the agreement?

PiratesHat · 02/06/2016 19:17

Kids will live with me although he wants them one day each weekend with an overnight stay (not sure about the overnight stay right now they are both under 2? What do you guys think?) He will also see them for a couple of hours midweek which I'm fine with.

House to be sold asap but chain free. Shock This was his suggestion but that isn't great for me and the kids as really I wanted to tie in with a house purchase for the three of us.

He will pay maintenance but is quibbling at the cost!

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Froginapan · 02/06/2016 19:22

Why hasn't your solicitor applied for a without notice non-molrstation order?

NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 19:32

Has he ever been angry or aggressive directly with the kids and/or with you front of them?

Do you trust him 100% not to rage at them when you're not there?

Trust your instincts on how much contact you will allow (no overnights if you don't feel comfortable with it) and don't let him bully you into agreeing to an arrangement that you're not happy with.

PiratesHat · 02/06/2016 20:14

The way he put it was that the one day he has the kids he'll spend it with family as they will want to see DDs too. So there will be other adults with him more often than not during the day. I can't stop all contact anyway, as by the sound of it he can get this via the Courts anyway.

How much say do I have re: overnight stays do you think? Can I just say no? What if he has a problem with this, would he go through legal channels?

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NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 20:14

Oh and I think selling the house ASAP is the best option. I know it wouldn't be ideal if you and the children had to rent for a while before buying somewhere, but the most important thing is for you and STBXP to live separately ASAP. Even without buying somewhere at the same time, you will be more than ready to leave the house by the time it's sold (if he's still in it, that is!)

NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 20:17

Cross post. If you and he disagree about the child arrangements, there are several hoops to jump through before it goes to court. You could try professional mediation, but you would need to be careful as it's not really recommended given his abuse. You could try negotiating through solicitors.

PiratesHat · 02/06/2016 20:18

I guess you are right... And it also means I will then be a cash buyer later on, which puts us in a better position! Smile

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NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 20:18

And regarding child maintenance, I suggest you use the calculator here:
cmoptions.org/en/calculator/
That will give you the legal minimum that he has to pay.

NameChange30 · 02/06/2016 20:20

More cross posts! Yes you will be in a stronger position to buy if you're chain free Smile

Froginapan · 02/06/2016 21:09

OP - first you need to address the fact that he's ramped it up to physical abuse and got away with it.

What are your plans to protect yourself and your children from this man?

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