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AIBU to want this police officer disciplined? *Updated!*

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ahundredacre · 25/05/2016 19:01

I was raped in the summer of 2014, by a man I met on internet dating after my husband left me. The rape was terrifying and traumatic. Initially, I tried to be strong and pretend I was fine and that it didn't matter. But it did matter, and I reported it to the police 10 months later.

From what I can work out, the specialist police officers who dealt with my case simply didn't believe me, or, couldn't be bothered to do the work involved in the investigation. I'm pretty certain they just didn't believe me. They didn't do the work properly on my case, and I'm devastated and so let down.

I've followed the official police complaints process, and the rape is being reinvestigated - far more successfully this time, by a different team of officers, although I know it may be too late now. The other side though, is that the original police officers are just being given 'words of advice', rather than being looked at for misconduct/disciplinary action.

The main things that went wrong are that I told them that the man confessed and apologised by text message shortly after the rape, and they said they would search for his phone to look for the messages, but they never did. Instead they just phoned him, and arranged to interview him voluntarily at an appointment the following week - giving him plenty of time to destroy any evidence. He might not have still had the phone/messages anyway, but you never know until you look.

Then, they didn't take statements from all the witnesses that I had named, which the investigation into my complaint and the reinvestigation has discovered would have brought lots more relevant information into the picture. They took two statements, but they were not the correct/appropriate statements, and failed to take the statements that were relevant to the investigation. Apparently the officer concerned 'missed an email' which led to that happening, as the email contained the full list of witnesses that should have had statements taken from them. I feel like that is a pretty poor excuse?

And finally, the officer in charge of my case was terrible at contacting me, she would constantly say she would call me and then not do it, left me an answer phone message that cut out half way through but didn't call back, not respond to my requests to speak to her or be updated, that sort of thing. She was really dismissive on the phone, and had a sort of casual attitude as if she was talking about the weather, and I found it really hard to tolerate. She didn't empathise with me, or seem to care about what I said or felt.

All of those things have been identified and accepted as 'failings'. The investigation into the complaint says that they should have arrested him, they should have searched for the phone, they should have taken all the statements properly, the communication should have been better, and the officer should have been better supervised. But, as a result of the failings, a rapist will still be out there to potentially rape another woman, but the police officer in question has not only not been disciplined, but has been promoted. They've excused the failings as being a result of a high workload and the officer being inexperienced. (Yes, inexperienced - yet being promoted to a position where she will supervise other officers? Does this sound strange to anyone else?) If she had done the investigation properly, they might have got a confession in text messages, lots of evidence from other witnesses, and taken it to court. Instead, they made me feel worthless and like what happened to me is unimportant and not worth investigating.

I'm trying to appeal the decision not to pass my complaint onto misconduct proceedings. I'm trying to write the appeal letter now, but I'm so exhausted I can hardly string the words together and feel like I'm fighting a losing battle, like the police are accountable to nobody, so what is the point. Am I being unreasonable? Was this really a genuine error that shouldn't be looked at any more? Should I just let this drop now?

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JennyHolzersGhost · 20/08/2016 19:42

Congratulations. You're an inspiration. Well done and bloody good work. I hope you're doing ok in general. Best of best wishes.

ahundredacre · 15/09/2016 15:21

I just heard from the police, that the CPS will not be charging the man who raped me. I am devastated. I thought I'd be relieved that I wouldn't have to give evidence, but I'm not. I only wanted justice.

Since I last updated I have taken on a solicitor to both manage my complaint and to take civil action against the police for breaching my human rights by their failure to investigate the rape. I'm holding on to this as the only positive now, I can at least hold the police accountable if nothing else, so maybe things will start to change. I just wish I could sue the man who raped me, for the agonies and trauma I have been through so that he could have his 15 minutes of fucked up pleasure. Sad I will never ever forget him suffocating me to force me to stop struggling, and the fear I felt, not for as long as I live, but he gets to walk away free and easy. I hate him Sad

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phillipp · 15/09/2016 16:13

Op I am so sorry you have had to deal with this and I am sorry he won't be charged.

My family are involved in a similar situation. Though not related to rape, but related to Police Officer misconduct.

Can I ask, the chief inspector that is investigating, is he from the same police force you are complaining about? Or a different one?

The problem, when complaining about police misconduct, is that they are investigated by the police force you are complaining about. They have a vested interest in not disciplining.

We only got somewhere when an outside force was brought in.

Queenoftheblues · 15/09/2016 21:14

It is possible to take civil action against the rapist. The burden of proof is lower than a criminal action. Women Against Rape have successfully supported women taking civil action when police/cps did not pursue.

redexpat · 15/09/2016 21:16

I'm sorry they're not pressing charges Flowers. I hope the action against the police officers involved is more successful.

ahundredacre · 15/09/2016 22:04

phillipp
Thank you for this - it wouldn't have occurred to me to ask for another force to be involved. The chief inspector assigned is from the same force. Can I ask how you went about getting another force involved in the process?

queen

I've spoken to Women Against Rape about taking action against the police, didn't think about civil action against him.. I may contact them again for details, thank you.

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Queenoftheblues · 15/09/2016 22:42

Hundred I also meant to say well done on not giving up and how sorry I am for what this animal did.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 16/09/2016 09:33

You certainly can bring a civil claim, as long as you have his name and can find his address to serve him.

Oblomov16 · 16/09/2016 10:02

Op my heart goes out to you. But I think this happens ALOT.
I had a terrible experience, involving lots of agencies, many serious mistakes and I was recently asked by a professional "why I hadn't got over it yet"? Hmm

I too think Kitkats's comment may have been misinterpreted. She only asked what you were hoping to gain.

And that is a valid question. Do things change? Do PEOPLE really change.

Will that police officer woman really CHANGE? No, she probably thinks she's in the right. She might only be a bit more careful in the future. Careful that she doesn't get caught out again?

And the sad thing is: not much does. Change. I read an American lawyer say, school make mistakes, actually bully parents, but do you honestly think that a complaint changes these people hearts, views, minds. She stated that they just become more adept at covering their tracks.
But their inner self often doesn't change.
God, how I sobbed, when I realised I actually agreed with her.

Continue, but take of yourself. Flowers

Oblomov16 · 16/09/2016 10:07

I wasn't believed. I was shouted at by a woman police officer twice and my solicitor said her interviewing of me, where she actually called me a liar etc, was one of the worst interviews she'd seen for years.

I didn't complain. I complained about 2 other agencies and got nowhere.

It's a very difficult fight.

Oblomov16 · 16/09/2016 10:10

Oh I was getting excited about the latest letter. And then my heart sank at the latest post OP.
What are you going to do now?

ahundredacre · 06/10/2016 07:49

Hi everyone I was hoping for some advice.

I've just received the official letter from the CPS (hand delivered by two detectives no less). It offers me a victim's right to review of the decision, and also the opportunity to have a meeting with the CPS lawyer to discuss why they won't charge him.

Are either/both of these things worth doing or should I just try to let it go and move on?

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gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 06/10/2016 08:02

Brilliant news!

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 06/10/2016 08:03

Both worth doing provided you feel you can.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 06/10/2016 08:04

Is there no way to recover text messages?

Cary2012 · 06/10/2016 08:06

I think it can only have a positive impact on you OP, I would advise you to have the meeting. Could you take someone with you for support. Only you know if you feel strong enough for this, but I think you'd be left with regrets if you didn't.

ChuckBiscuits · 06/10/2016 08:07

I would want to know, even if it broke me again.

Longlost10 · 06/10/2016 08:09

yes, that is what I was thinking, Gone. Text messages are recoverable, from your phone, as the person receiving it, even if you deleted it at the time

ahundredacre · 06/10/2016 21:52

I didn't have my phone anymore. I didn't report the rape until 10 months afterwards. 6 months before I reported I smashed my phone on the kitchen floor, I had no intention of reporting at that stage so had it replaced on the insurance. I probably would have kept it for those messages except they'd dropped off the bottom - I thought they'd be there for ever if I didn't delete them but when I scrolled through my old messages to check, they were gone. So when I smashed my phone I figured there was no hope anyway so just sent it back and they sent me a new one. Police could potentially have got the messages from his phone but as I said earlier, they called him and let him know I'd reported giving him ample opportunity to destroy the phone which was never found. Strange since they found 16 other devices so he clearly wasn't in the habit of chucking out his old mobiles..

Anyway.

I wasn't sure if the CPS would just echo what they said in the letter or if they'd give me more information at a meeting? Also not sure if exercising my right to review will make any difference, I wonder if they ever change their mind on review?

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category12 · 06/10/2016 22:02

I don't know if following this up will make any difference to what happened to you. But if you don't follow through now, will you always wonder or wish you had?

Can you go in with very low to nil expectations and be able to deal with it being a waste of time? Or will it cause you eve mroe distress? Or is not trying be worse? I honestly don't know Flowers.

I really want you to pursue it, but it's not me going through the fucking wringer. Hugs. Whatever your choice, you have my thoughts.

Longlost10 · 06/10/2016 22:55

can the phone company retrieve the messages?

NorthernChinchilla · 07/10/2016 09:28

Without going into massive detail, this is my area of expertise, and if you want to pm me OP feel free.

I would advise the Victim Right to Review- you have nothing to lose from it and there's an outside chance they may decide to proceed. Afterwards, do get an appointment with the lawyer- if nothing else you'll understand the evidential difficulties which will clarify why you can't proceed. But I'd get some support and counselling wrapped round you as it's likely to leave you angry and frustrated by the Force's fuck ups.

ahundredacre · 07/10/2016 11:55

Thank you Category and NorthernChinchilla - I decided you're right and have just emailed the CPS requesting the review. They replied almost immediately accepting my request and giving me a date in 2 weeks time that they hope to have concluded the review and responded by - they must move much faster than the police?!

Long lost - why obsessing about the messages? I literally ache to my core every time I think about them. No the phone company does not retain the content of text messages, and certainly not for such an extended period. Don't you think that both myself (via hours of Google) and the police have already explored those options?

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gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 07/10/2016 12:14

Just trying to help hundred Hmm

ahundredacre · 07/10/2016 13:56

I know that really, it's just that that ship has long since sailed and it hurts to go back there mentally. Sad

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