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Can I ever get over being the OW?

61 replies

Cantgetpastit · 24/05/2016 20:39

I've NC for this but do post under another name.

When I was 18 I had a relationship with a man who was in a long term relationship with young children. We met at work and he lived a way away and came to stay in town for the week, coming back at weekends. It first started off as just friendly chatter and then turned into more. It eventually ended when I left to go travelling, although when I returned he wanted to restart things, although I had met my now DH and didn't respond. I knew he had a partner and still persued it.

This was almost 10 years ago now and after recently having a dd of my own, have been thinking about this time constantly. I am wracked with guilt and don't know how to deal with it. I know that I did something awful, but at the time I was able to brush that away. Now i feel like i have to make amends for being so selfish. I dont think this is coming out right but I dont seem to be able to articulate the remorse I feel.

Obviously I know it takes two to tango, but I really pursued him. Not that it is an excuse, but I was an extremely naive 18 year old with crushing self esteem issues and remember feeling desired for the first time. Lots of girls at work fancied him and he picked me type thing. He was my first sexual experience.

Sorry this was so long. I really want to move on from this but find the guilt crushing and cant seem to move past it. I guess that is my punishment. My dh is very supportive but I dont want to keep bringing it up and I dont really think he understands.

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 26/05/2016 11:54

Just wanted to home in on this.

It's bollox that he was the only one to blame. Do we not have a duty as human beings to respect other people

No. We don't. Mrs X has no right to expect me to send her husband home if he comes calling on me.

And this ^^ is the kind of attitude thst makes the world what it is. Marriage only has room for 2 people. When you become the 3rd party you are wrong. It's not a grey area.No ifs, no buts and no maybes.

That response screams out wrong and strong regardless of whether or you've actually engaged in an affair. It's the thought process.

I'd be interested to know what religion doesn't get you to think about your part in hurting others and being all about the effect on me, myself and I

Whether a person is religious or not, decency should override how they conduct themselves, however I do understand individuals have varying morals and values.

OP - stay strong and enjoy what you have.

AddToBasket · 26/05/2016 12:45

Please ignore the mad bitter queens on here. A marriage has two people alone - and they alone are responsible for it.

The reason people get so upset by that is because they imagine it wasn't anything to do with themselves and that it is/would be less painful to blame the third party.

You don't deserve the negativity. Tbh, a lot of it is displaced spite.

timelytess · 26/05/2016 17:32

When you become the 3rd party you are wrong
This is ridiculous. Only the married people have a responsibility to the marriage.

deluxetruffles · 26/05/2016 17:45

You lack empathy TimelyTess. You cannot see that what you said is intrinsically selfish. It is the attitude of a child. You do not become involved with a married person. Why is that so hard to understand?

SandyY2K · 26/05/2016 18:01

Deluxetruffles

Why is that so hard to understand?

Because common sense isn't that common for some and there is a lack of comprehension of the principles of right and wrong.

You might as well be flogging a dead horse.

dontknowwhatcomesnext · 26/05/2016 18:21

The following is not at all directed at OP. OP, I wish you the best. You were young, it was a long time ago, you have remorse. Just go forward and be the best version of yourself.

You know, I spend a lot of time teaching my children about kindness and telling them when faced with two options to choose the kinder option. I try to teach them not to be involved in hurting others if it can be avoided. I honestly despair when I read things like *timelytess" is posting. And, really, even if you don't think you owe a wife/husband anything (and even that makes me want to weep for mankind), surely being involved in something that has a real possibility of leading to the hurt of innocent children is not OK? Aren't we all supposed to look out for children? I guess you'd probably just say that's up to the parents, but I think that says a tremendous amount about the general empathy levels of someone who would say that.

Be kind people. Really. Life is better that way.

timelytess · 26/05/2016 20:24

I honestly despair when I read things like timelytess" is posting*
Then stop. Take a philosophical view. The people responsible for a marriage are the people who committed to it. Just.

Liara · 26/05/2016 20:33

God, this thread is bizarre. I always used to wonder who it was who could possibly blame Lewinsky rather than Clinton. Now I know.

OP, you were young, very inexperienced and naive. He picked you for that reason. You are not to blame.

Show the same compassion towards yourself that you would want shown towards your daughter if, when she is young and foolish as you were, she makes a similar mistake.

WhoeverUWantMeToBe · 27/05/2016 20:03

Since I started nannying I've been a long-time lurker on Mumsnet. However, I'm a first-time poster. I made an account just to share this quote with you, OP:

"If you are to be a positive influence on the world, you need to forgive yourself."

Ask yourself this - who benefits from you beating yourself up over this? It doesn't do your child or partner any good for you to devote your energy to criticising yourself over mistakes you made at eighteen. It doesn't do the wife of this man any good either. It does nobody any good, least of all you. Like another poster said - if you had a daughter involved in a situation like this, how would you speak to her about it? Wouldn't you tell her to be kind to herself? Be kind to yourself.

Also, ignore the above comments. It's pretty telling that the word "whore" has actually come up in this thread. People tend to do a lot of projecting when this topic comes up. It's a very painful subject for a lot of people - try not to take it personally - a lot of people have chips on their shoulders which obscure their vision when it comes to OW, and while that's completely understandable, you don't deserve to be a scapegoat for the actions of any man.

If a married man leans in to kiss another woman, and she pushes him away and says "No, you're married" - HE HAS ALREADY BEEN UNFAITHFUL TO HIS WIFE. It is not the responsibility of every woman in the world to ensure a husband stays faithful by ensuring he never gets an opportunity to cheat. It is HIS responsibility not to cheat.

My partner once kissed another woman, just for a moment. She leaned in to kiss him; he let her. He told me, I was angry but I decided to let it go. It would never have occurred to me, even for a moment, to blame her or be angry at her. She doesn't know me, or owe me anything. My partner is the one who has made a promise to me. My partner and only my partner is responsible for his own actions.

You were eighteen years old and had no concept of what life was like for his wife at home with her small children. It makes total sense that now you understand that, you feel guilt. But you don't deserve to feel all this guilt. In my humble opinion, you weren't really the one in the wrong. It is wrong for a spouse to cheat on their partner. It's not great for a grown man to sleep with an inexperienced, insecure teenager at all. I'm in my twenties and would politely turn down any sexual offers made by 18-year-old (even if I was single) because 18 really is very, very young. In all honesty, fuck this guy for making your first sexual experience something you would look back on with such distress ten years on. It's a shame you didn't meet someone closer to your own age first and have a more natural experience.

But what's done is done, and can't be undone. So forgive yourself. Be kind to yourself. Get therapy over your traumatic birth if you think that might be the real underlying issue. But most of all, be kind to yourself. And DO NOT BLAME YOURSELF FOR THE ACTIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE. You did not make him cheat on his wife. Nobody can make a man cheat on his wife. Men are sentient beings capable of independent thought, would you believe it, not inanimate objects which can be hidden in one's pocket and stolen.

I know this is a very long post, but you've received a lot of judgement and nastiness here which you don't deserve.

If one of my girlfriends were telling me this story, she would receive nothing but compassion, empathy and kindness from me, and I hope some of that reaches you across our keyboards and screens.

Now its time to show compassion, empathy and kindness to yourself.

timelytess · 29/05/2016 13:11

You are quite right, Whoever.

If a married man leans in to kiss another woman, and she pushes him away and says "No, you're married" - HE HAS ALREADY BEEN UNFAITHFUL TO HIS WIFE
Yes.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/05/2016 14:02

Awesome post from WhoeverUWantMeToBe. OP - read that one, again and again until you can find peace with yourself.

You are not the sum total of your actions, not unless you include ALL of them, every kindness, every unselfish act, every tolerant, patient and helpful thing you've ever done. Then balance them and you'll see how unfair you are being to yourself.

Forgiveness is a wonderful thing, now do that for yourself. Thanks

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