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Father in law overstaying welcome. It's been months now and I'm hating it.

89 replies

SmashingTurnips · 23/05/2016 14:04

I'm not too sure what I want from this thread - perhaps just an outside view to spur me to action.

Will try to keep this short. DH's father arrived to see us from abroad in the first week of January. He said he was staying for 10 days but he has never left. He hasn't been staying with us all that time - he stayed January, February and half of March. Then left to stay with a friend at the other end of the country only to appear back at the beginning of May.

The situation is driving me up the wall. He has told us that he is not going back to the county he was living in and that he is moving back to his home country for good. He has mentioned looking for a flat to rent but isn't doing anything about it and although I think he will eventually sort something out I want him to do it sooner rather than later.

We don't have a spare room, he is sleeping in the living room and just sits in there all day (dressed and on the sofa, not in bed) on his computer. He contributes nothing other than walking the dog sometimes. No shopping, no cooking, no washing up, nothing.

We work full time and have 2 DC. I want to scream when I come home in the evening and he hasn't even been arsed to wash a steeping pot or set the table. He likes his food and is there for every sodding meal yet has never offered to cook. He has offered shopping but doesn't actually buy proper food, he buys ice cream because he likes it and wants to eat it (he will offer us some though).

I can hardly bear to be around him as I feel so resentful of his presence.

Background is he and DH have never been close, his parents divorced when he was 7, his father moved away and they only really saw each other in the summer holidays (I think for 3 weeks to a month so not nothing). His dad never paid child support or helped DH in any way with education or whatever. He is a deeply selfish man (although not actually nasty or deliberately unkind). A few years ago he fell on hard times and we were worried about him, we lost all contact for a while and didn't even know if he was alive, we wonder if he may have been homeless for a short while around this time. Once he got back in touch DH suggested that he come back to his home country and said that we would help him get back on his feet. I feel that we have done that now and I want him to leave. He has a very modest pension but it is enough to live on.

DH has said (kindly but perfectly firmly) a few times that he needs to look for somewhere to stay but he isn't looking and mentions some vague plan to house sit for a friend who is abroad. I'm worried this won't come to anything and he will still be here in a few months time.

I want my home back and I think we have done enough by giving him bed and board for months (plus offers to help with finding somewhere, help with bits of furniture, etc).

I have days off from work during the week sometimes as sometimes work weekends and I'm sitting upstairs in my bedroom because I don't want to be around him (downstairs of house is only kitchen and living room and they lead into each other).

I think he feels a bit awkward about being here (he is very discreet although unfortunately not great at cleaning up after himself when he uses the toilet and so on) but he seems perfectly happy to just sit in our house all day everyday, shuffle to the table for every meal, never give us any space, etc.

I'm so done now but don't know what to do. We can't just turf him out. I suspect he wants to stay with us and he will try to drag this out for as long as possible. I think the bit that gets to me the most is I feel like he is an emotional parasite, he has never contributed to our family (never given our DC birthday or Xmas cards or presents for example) and now he wants to have a family like situation because he has suddenly realised that he is a lonely old (ish) man. He is leeching off us and I feel used.

DH is finding it just as hard. Thankfully we are on the same page with this but it does sometimes make us moody and snappy with each other.

All and any advice welcome...

OP posts:
rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 24/05/2016 00:25

Don't do the running and sorting out of a place for him to go, he already has it established that he is in passive recipient mode as an attachment your family and life is yours and ds's problem to manage for him. If you buy into that then all future issues may be yours to fix too.

Keep putting it back to him. 'You can't stay here any longer FiL, you cannot live with us so what are YOU going to do?' 'Yeah such and such is a problem for you. What are you planning to do about it?' Unless he realises if he doesn't get up off his behind and do something for himself he is going to be sleeping in his car - and you may have to let that happen as it would be his choice - he has no need to come out of the role he's very comfortable in.

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 24/05/2016 00:27
  • attachment TO your family and life is for you and DH to deal with.

Sorry, ipad joys

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 24/05/2016 00:30

Another bad message your children will be getting is "You must avoid conflict at all costs. Sacrifice your self esteem. Allow yourself to be downtrodden. My god, there could be harsh words and sulks. It might not end in hugs and rainbows. Sacrifice all to avoid that horror!"

wotoodoo · 24/05/2016 00:34

No more meals cooked for him. Ask him to pay.for takeaways. Do not engage other than give him a list of chores to do while you are at work. Ask him to prepare meals and do the laundry. Come on op! You are missing opportunities here!

leelu66 · 24/05/2016 05:56

YANBU. I got stressed just reading that, it must 10 times worse for you!

My uncle (mum's brother) freeloaded at my parents for 6 years, I was young but my mum bore the brunt of it, making him all meals, doing his oaundry etc. He contributed £20 a week and even begrudged that.

I would definitely give him a deadline and stick it to it, or this could drag on for years.

And they're never grateful. We stayed at my uncle for 3 days recently and he acted so put on, it was a joke. Never again.

leelu66 · 24/05/2016 05:57

*put upon

MissMargie · 24/05/2016 07:29

The worst scenario is that you loose the rag and tell him to piss off and never come back.

But really this is the best scenario (perhaps you can choose your words better) you don't like him, you don't want him, he is lazy, selfish and smells. Is there a reason you want to see him again ever??????????

And please don't say you want GPs in your DCs lives - you do not want (under any circumstances) this type of GP in your DCs lives.

Tell him it is putting a strain on you all and he must go by at the latest next Friday. End of. If you are nice and helpful as suggested above you risk him coming back.

PurpleCrazyHorse · 24/05/2016 07:50

You're going to feel bad whatever you say, either this week or in July. So you might as well do it now.

He's so thick skinned he's not getting the normal cues, or is so brass necked he doesn't care, so kind but firm is not going to work.

You need to give him a date (next week) and evict him. Change the lock if he has a key and don't let him back in. Could the police help remove him if he physically won't move out?

Then get some advice about him using your address for his car & insurance.

It's not nice but the situation isn't going to get better.

SmashingTurnips · 24/05/2016 07:52

Don't worry, I'm not washing his pants! Neither DH nor I gets involved in his laundry. I have shown him how the machine works and he does his own.

I get upset over the toilet and said to DH that I wasn't cleaning it at all anymore and that he could either clean up after his relative or speak to him about it and that whilst his dad is here the toilet is the men's job (normally DH and I share it).

I do feel put upon with meals as I do most of the cooking. To be fair in the beginning he would wander over and vaguely ask if he could do anything. We have a minuscule cooking area that leads onto the rest of the quite large kitchen and you can't really be 2 people in it without getting in each other's way. So I would say no it's not helpful to have someone under my feet. I think a normal person would in this situation do stuff like set the table, wash up pots and pans after the meal, etc. He doesn't though.

I suppose I should ask him more often but when I have asked him to wash up he does a shit job of it and pots are not very clean and a bit greasy and it gives me the rage. He does stupid things like rinsing a mug out and leaving it to dry upside down on the wooden counter so it smells funny and needs washed again (I sling it in the dishwasher which is where it should have gone in the first place).

DH was doing DIY the other day and he did offer to help. He is so useless and annoying though and neither of us want to be around him. DH said the most useful thing he could do was cut the grass - he did do it.

I'm sure if I said to him "see when I'm out at work all day how about you wash that steeping pot rather then just move it in order to fill the kettle" he would.

I suspect some of the lack of help is down to me giving off massive "fuck off and leave me alone vibes" and I certainly don't encourage him to feel at home in anyway (yikes!).

Anyway DH spoke to him last night and he said that as soon as his car is ready (it's in the garage for a repair) he is going to this house sit arrangement (other end of the country). I will believe it when I see it. DH has warned him that if for any reason the house sit falls through he will need to find a place to stay by June 15th. The house sit is supposed to be for 2 years - I want it made clear to him that when it ends he cannot just come back here and that he needs to have a plan and anticipate.

Thanks again all for your supportive and arse kicking posts.

OP posts:
SmashingTurnips · 24/05/2016 08:04

The worst scenario is that you loose the rag and tell him to piss off and never come back.

Yes, DH has been close to this a couple of times. I'm hating the whole thing but at least he isn't my dad and I'm much less emotionally involved. It's horrible to see your dad like this and it is horrible to be being used by a dad that never did much for you. DH feels attached to him because he is his dad but also because he has good memories of the summers they spent together. His dad wasn't a total dead beat. I think the hardest part for DH is the lack of connection between the 2 of them. His dad is about as affectionate as a stone.

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KittensandKnitting · 24/05/2016 10:06

I still want to throttle him for you :)

But sounds like you and DH have taken charge and hopefully in two weeks he will be gone for good!

I also suggest you now run to the garage and do anything to get that thing fixed and I mean anything

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/05/2016 11:57

Standing up for yourselves now, while you are both feeling used and can present a united and calm front, will be better for everyone than a fizzing, furious breakdown of whatever relationship there is left

Wise words Flowers

Hopefully this house sitting arrangement will happen, but if it doesn't I'm not quite sure about the idea of insisting he finds his own place rather than helping him to do it

For me, the importance of getting him the hell out of there would matter more than the principle around him doing it for himself

SmashingTurnips · 25/05/2016 19:18

Thanks again everyone for your support. Am feeling down today again about it. Apparently the car needs some part that has to be ordered, I hope it doesn't take too long. I'm dubious that this house sitting thing will materialise - what if it is just a freeloader thing that he is pushing for but house owner isn't really on board with?

We will totally try to help him find something if it means being rid of him. We actually know a couple that run a boarding house where he can have a bedsit plus communal bathrooms and kitchens (as well as kitchenette in room) and they have a room free.

It would be in his budget and is in a nice busy part of town with shops, parking and amenities. DH is a bit reluctant to talk to him about it as some of the residents are slightly down and out and he is worried about him living with people who have alcohol issues.

Our friends have been totally honest and said that they do have some residents who drink but they also have plenty who don't have problems and are just poor people who need a secure cheap place to stay and want to get on with their lives.

I think it would be just fine for him - it is all bills and insurance included so no surprises budget wise and we know the landlords are decent people who look after the place and their residents.

Of course it would be great for him to be in his own lovely flat but I don't think he can afford more than a bedsit and at least this way there is company (which he wants), a nice neighbourhood with shops, library, etc and a decent landlord. Plus it is furnished, insured and with good landlords and no requirement of a deposit.

I really want DH to speak to him about it and I think we should put an option on it for when in case the house sit comes to nothing.

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Oddsocksgalore · 25/05/2016 19:23

Op bite the bullet and tell him he has to leave, it's the only way.

My brother fell on hard time came to live with me and five years later......

Fluffycloudland77 · 25/05/2016 19:29

He could live another 20 years. Maybe 30.

Bite the bullet.

Janecc · 25/05/2016 19:29

Sounds perfect. When can he move out in?

LoucheLady · 25/05/2016 20:45

Get him booked into that place before it gets snapped up by someone else, would be my advice!

TendonQueen · 25/05/2016 21:55

I think putting an option on this bedsit (presume that means you can pay a retainer to book it? Or even just pay the rent full stop) till June 15th is your best bet. Just accept you'll be doing that and it'll be a small price to pay to be able to say 'no house sitting after all? Never mind, the place we saw is ready for you now' Smile

Aussiebean · 25/05/2016 22:44

I would ring up then garage and ask when the part is due. I am betting it's a lie.

SmashingTurnips · 26/05/2016 01:13

Yes I think I will check out what is happening at the garage and put on option on the boarding house room.

I'm lying in bed listening to him snore. Woke up needing the loo and am finding it hard to go back to sleep because his incredibly loud snoring is giving me the rage. Our bedroom is directly above the living room and their isn't much sound insulation between the two rooms. Not his fault that he snores of course but I could cheerfully go down and shove him out of bed. (Or rather off my sofa bed). I'm starting to hate him. sticks pins in voodoo doll

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Allalonenow · 26/05/2016 01:20

Go down and make yourself a hot drink, wake him up, rush back to bed, you might get back to sleep before the snoring starts again! Brew

Atenco · 26/05/2016 03:15

Oh, OP, send him to that bedsit now!

He reminds me of so many freeloaders I have known in my life, fortunately not relatives but I presume those freeloaders have families somewhere. It is awful, even when they aren't family, having to tell them to leave, but he must be used to it, it must have happened loads of times to him.

bringbacksideburns · 26/05/2016 11:15

I'm actually a bit annoyed with your DH . He has put his father first for months now. He should have sorted something out with him by now!
He needs to consider your needs and the children's.

It's ridiculous it's gone on so long when he hasn't even got a bedroom to sleep in.
I think you need to be assertive with your Dh today- get him in the bedsit this week.
It'll be fine as a stop gap for the time being until he sorts himself out. You are not making him homeless and he can come to see you at weekends.

Has he any other family who can help him?
This could drag on to Christmas quite easily OP. It's not fair on the kids.

glassgarden · 26/05/2016 11:25

Sounds dreadful, you poor thing, you must eject him asap!

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 26/05/2016 12:35

Agree if the bedsit is open he could go there now. He can always plan to move on from there if he chooses to, but this garage/possible flatshare thing could drag on for months and still fall through.

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