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Nightmare evening meeting the family

97 replies

Roseflowers · 02/04/2016 15:28

Wise ladies of mumsnet, I need your opinions please, apologies if this is long. Boyfriend and I went for dinner last night with his two brothers and their respective partners (girlfriend and sister in law). I have met brother 1 and girlfriend before and got on great with them, but not brother 2 and sister in law. Him and I have been together for almost six months now. Dinner was hosted at their house, really informal affair.

I didn't really say very much, being in a new environment etc, but towards the end of the evening I get a text from boyfriend (who was sitting right next to me) saying that I was being too negative and that I had to be more positive. I'd just told an anecdote directly related to the conversation about someone that I worked with, and ended up, sort of by accident, talking about some of his more negative characteristics (to give the anecdote more context), but had trailed off a bit awkwardly. I was immediately pretty shocked and embarrassed that a) he thought this, and that b) he would do that whilst I was still sitting around the dinner table in a bloody unfamiliar social situation, thus making me feel incredibly uncomfortable and embarrassed.

Afterwards, when I got home I texted him telling him how upsetting and quite frankly rude I'd found him doing that, at which point he told me that I'd been nothing but negative all night, and that I was 'affecting' everyone at the dinner table, because I had
a) Agreed with brother 1 and girlfriend that working in the service industry was difficult (I used to do the same job as them, and they directly asked me for my opinion). Apparently this meant I was 'going on about how soul destroying their jobs are and bringing them down' when actually I specifically said several positive things to counterbalance the negative stuff I said! His sister in law, who had never done the job, had also joined in and said some negative stuff about it.
b) Agreed with him when he was telling a story about a daft housemate about how silly said housemate was
c) Told this anecdote about workmate, which ended up with me saying he was basically a rubbish person who boasted about doing horrible things like weeing on people in nightclubs. I was just trying to give the story a little more context, but probably failed and went a bit past the mark, I admit. His brother then made a sarcastic comment at my expense. Maybe I was a little negative there, but pretty much everyone around the table had moaned or been negative about someone by that point in the evening, including his brother and sister having a rant about how much they hated their lodger whom none of us had ever met.
d) Made a comment to his sister in law, a vet, about the fact that she probably had to euthanize a lot of animals over the years she'd worked as a vet! This was after his brothers girlfriend had directly pressed her to tell everyone about the most distressing euthanisation she'd had to do, and so I was hardly digging in the knife anymore than anyone else at the table was!

He basically told me that he'd 'had' to 'intervene' and text me because I was being such a Debbie downer and that I'd missed several social queues which should have told me what a misery I was, and how shocked they all were by what I was saying, and that if he hadn't inervened things would have 'only gotten worse' (!) Now, if I was making bloody racist and off colour jokes, or arguing with people, or getting embarrassingly drunk I could understand, but all I (thought) I'd done was contribute to a few conversations, when apparently I was actually this black hole of misery and poor form all night. Consequently, I now feel like absolute shit. Was I out of order? Or was boyfriend just being an arse? There are other issues re. his family and how he makes me feel at the moment that are also getting to me, and at several points on the way to this dinner he had already made me feel pretty shit, and I don't really know what to do about it all.

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ItsInTheDogsMouth · 02/04/2016 16:08

I agree with everyone else...run, run like the wind.

FirstWeTakeManhattan · 02/04/2016 16:09

RUN!!!!!!!

You've had a series of red flags. Don't ignore them. Go, just go. He's awful.

Roseflowers · 02/04/2016 16:22

It isn't really the first time it's happened. At his office Christmas party I was introduced to his co-worker as 'This is x, his name is the same as x financial crisis that happened last year' in a 'what an unfortunate coincidence for him' kind of way. All I said was 'Ooh crikey, that's a bit unlucky!' as a jokey reply and you'd have thought that I'd have insulted his mother. Again, apparently the people around were all shocked and appalled at how rude I was, whereas I remember them having a chuckle and conversation moving on...I let it go that time as nerves (he was new to the company).

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Sistedtwister · 02/04/2016 16:26

Rose your last post gave me a chill..... so familiar, seriously RUN NOW

inlectorecumbit · 02/04/2016 16:27

He is a knob.
You deserve better, don't waste any more time on him. Can you imagine just how controlling he will be 6 years down the line if he is like this after 6 months?

What is hie excuse for not telling his DP'a that you exist?

croon979 · 02/04/2016 16:28

Seriously, it sounds is if there is something not quite right here. As best he is just hard work which isn't great. As worst he is a controlling fuckwit. Can only echo what others have said. I would run before you get in too deep.

sonata1 · 02/04/2016 16:28

Listen to the wise Maya Angelou ..."when someone shows you who they are, believe them first time ! "

FirstWeTakeManhattan · 02/04/2016 16:30

Rose reassure us that this awful man is history. Learn from it, never go back.

sulalovesbing · 02/04/2016 16:31

He should not be engineering how you talk and interact with anybody. He sounds controlling and weird.

prettywhiteguitar · 02/04/2016 16:36

Ooh no this is not the relationship for you, move on and don't look back ! He sounds like a right charmer Hmm

gamerchick · 02/04/2016 16:37

Christ you're lucky.

Text him 'thankyou for confirming your true colours this early on before I waste any more of my time, have a nice life you're dumped'

Seriously get rid, if this is as good as it gets then get rid of him now.

Roseflowers · 02/04/2016 16:37

I have challenged him very recently on the whole parents issue, and apparently the logic is this; his parents, and all his siblings are very religious, and don't believe in sex/ sleeping in the same bed/ living together before marriage. As he is not a Christian, they struggle to reconcile their belief that their son will burn in hell forever with the fact that they love him etc. As such, he tries to shield them as much as he can from his life, and the aspects of it he knows don't match their belief system. However, the brother and girlfriend that I have met share the same views as his parents, and have never ever been anything but welcoming and lovely. In fact, me and the girlfriend had a very though provoking and really friendly conversation about it last time we met, so its not as if he can't trust me to be respectful towards their views etc! I feel that he needs to grow a pair of balls and be honest about who he is and how he lives his life with them, including, shock horror, that he is in a new but fairly meaningful (at least it was until last night) relationship with someone. I want him to be proud to present 'us' to them. As it is I feel like a shameful secret who will never be a full part of his family life, because when is it going to be appropriate to introduce me? When he proposes? When we're married and no longer living in sin? Hmm. As such I felt very nervous going into the whole dinner situation with his other very religious siblings anyway...

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croon979 · 02/04/2016 16:40

But the religious excuse has absolutely nothing to do with him controlling what anecdotes you choose to make at dinner?? Don't let this cloud the real issue.

Roseflowers · 02/04/2016 16:41

And yeah, I've spent most of the day in tears, probably because I realise that its over...I've been in an abusive relationship before, (physical abuse and emotional manipulation) but this is the first real red flag I've had from this one and I don't ever want to end up in the same situation as before where I moderate my behaviour for someone else who is controlling.

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croon979 · 02/04/2016 16:43

💐 it's tough OP and you have to be strong but I guess you know from experience that controlling behaviour is concerning and can develop into all kinds of manipulating behaviour. So sorry.

superwormissuperstrong · 02/04/2016 16:43

Oh dear - i think everyone has said it before me.
Please think about this and to not to be defensive. Reading your posts it sounds like you really like him because as long as you are not with other people that he wants to impress then he 'behaves'. But how long before he expects you to only be a certain way at all times that meets his view of a compliant, positive, submissive woman at all times not just in front of family, friends and colleagues...
The truth is he is embarrassed of the real you and wants you to portray a different image - so how is that loving or caring about you? The things you said you talked about sound normal - and judging by people's reactions I think it's him unable to read the signals not you of whether a conversation is going well or not...
I would be having a serious conversation where most of it is down to him to explain why he acted in such a controlling manner and why he is unable to introduce you to his family, or even be honest with the siblings he has introduced you to...

gamerchick · 02/04/2016 16:44

It's a flag you recognised straight away though. This is probably the only good thing that comes from previous bellends, a finely tweaked arsehole detector.

You shouldn't be crying 6 months in Flowers

spanky2 · 02/04/2016 16:45

He was testing the water to see how much abuse he could get away with. You pulled him up now he's love bombing you. You've already started to justify his behaviour.

spanky2 · 02/04/2016 16:48

'Finely tweaked a$hole detector.'Grin

AyeAmarok · 02/04/2016 16:48

He sounds like he's not going to be on your team, ever, so I think you should DTF.

Was the guy's name Libor? Grin

Slowdecrease · 02/04/2016 16:49

I remember all too well being told by my ex at a meal that "all his friends felt uncomfortable because of me" ...a few months before he dumped me...I think they felt uncomfortable at me being there because they knew he was after finishing with me and moving on with the woman from his local...he tried to make me feel so shit and isolated on that night that I went the other way and dug my heels in, got outrageously drunk and flamboyant and not at all discreet and did my level best to embarrass the shit out of him and really give his friends something to feel uncomfortable about. It gave me some satisfaction I have to say.

lollopops · 02/04/2016 16:50

This should be the 'honeymoon' period. Note, I said HONEYMOON.

I feel for you, but you will never ever win with this Twat. You already sound like a ball of nerves, over-analysing every word you have said, because he has been analysing & picking apart every word you have said.

lollopops · 02/04/2016 16:52

You deserve so much better. So much more. There will not be 'that' happy ending with this guy.

Roseflowers · 02/04/2016 16:56

AyeAmarok you got it in one, spooky! Thank you so much for you support and wise words ladies, it does mean an awful lot Flowers

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problembottom · 02/04/2016 17:00

Oh god get rid would be my advice. I have a friend who eventually dumped her awful controlling, cheating partner, the father of her kids. She says one of the defining moments was a holiday with friends where she was telling a story and he was making wind it up gestures across the table bringing her to an awkward stop. He later told her she had been boring everyone. She's not boring but he is a twat.