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Help!emotional abuse or normal rowing? Feel like I'm going crazy..

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Jessbird1 · 01/04/2016 09:06

I have started to notice a pattern to our rows, and I think my DH might be emotionally abusive when it happens. I need help to 'decode' what is going on. This is a typical example of what happens.

We were in the lounge, I was on my phone researching built in wardrobes and was absorbed ( I was on Pinterest!). He said he was taking DS upstairs to play, the tv was on CBeebies, I wasn't watching it. Half an hour later he came back down and the tv was still on CBeebies (I hadn't noticed as I was absorbed in my task). He flipped out at me for not turning it off ( I am suspicious he did it on purpose to catch me out when he came back down so he could have a go at me). He says I am lazy and a liar and that he won't believe me because he 'knows me' and that I am stubborn and am not telling the truth. I feel that the responsibility for the tv was with the person who was watching it ( or the person watching DS who was watching it) so don't feel it was up to me to turn it off. I try to explain I cannot 'lie' to resolve the row and he shouldn't expect me to. Admittedly I do get defensive as I feel my character is being attacked and I feel he is being unfair. I try to make him believe me and see that it's not worth making a huge row over in front of DS. He will not stop going and going on at me being rude, calling me names, discounting everything I say, twisting and turning it to make it my fault and force me to 'apologise'. Even though he comes at me with the issue, and essentially causes the row by having a go at me, it is always me that has caused it because I should have just 'apologised' and 'admitted I was in the wrong'. I feel very strongly that I won't apologise for something I haven't done or that I don't feel warrants an apology. I am always quick to apologise if I am wrong though. He keeps going and going until I can no longer contain myself and flip out in a rage of the injustice and his rudeness to me (he says awful things which I can' never remember). He then uses this 'flip out' against me saying things like 'look at you you're a mess' 'you can't control yourself' 'I'm not the one shouting'. of course he is rude and hurtful and awful to me but he manages to stay calm the whole time he is doing it which then makes me out even more to be the 'bad guy'.

Eventually I will apologise to make it stop thinking if I hold my hands up to 'my part' ( which I still don't believe and therefore feel uncomfortable with apologising) he might see he is at fault and apologise for being the one who caused the row and hurt me so much in the process. No such chance. He will not accept any responsibility, will not apologise, cannot see his part (he has caused me a great deal of mental anguish by now and I have been crying and sobbing pushed to my limits but he is incapable of saying sorry, feeling guilt or reaching out to comfort me for causing me to feel this way).

He then shuts down the row, saying we will discuss it later. When I try to talk about it later he latches on to the fact I lost control and shouted, and in so doing makes himself out to be the victim, instead of focusing on the real issue which I feel is his inability to take responsibility or apologise for his part in the row. The argument can never be resolved as I am left reeling from what has happened, questioning myself, head fucked and emotionally battered, because I have to apologise but he won't. These rows only ever happen when he has started it and seem to be over trivial things, like the tv being left on, the kitchen door being left open, or me not realising that DS hasn't had breakfast yet (when DH usually does it and it's only 8.15am and therefore not a disaster that it's not been done yet).

It's worth mentioning two things. I have a fragile sense of self after an emotionally and physically abusive relationship when I was younger which may or may not be contributing to the way I react. DH had an extremely abusive childhood and ended up cutting off his Dad and half his family. I don't know all of the details but from what I have heard they were awful emotionally and physically abusive people. 90% of the time DH is loving and rational and a brilliant Dad, and I really do want to get to the bottom of it for all of our sakes. Any help in shedding light on this and ways to move forward would be helpful..

OP posts:
Beatles19 · 02/04/2016 13:57

I feel your pain OP
Unfortunately I have a (D) H who also does very similar things.

The ignoring, pretending not to hear me when I talk to him, the no eye contact what so ever, refusing to acknowledge things I say without cutting me off and telling me I am criticising him ( no,its a difference of opinion)
When I have a suggestion or point of view to make it's met with 'please leave me alone' in a tone that is so aggressive.
Whilst eating he will just stare ahead of him.
And don't start me off on his pettiness:((

But woe betide if I bring any of this up with him.
It is Always my fault. He has an ability to twist and turn everything around to make it my fault, and he will almost never apologise.
It leaves me in a rage and of course then I'm the bad guy and at fault, called evil, and asked to apologise to him for being stressed!

Its absolutely exhausting and very unpleasant.
He also had a difficult childhood but help! I don't know what to say or do.
DD adores him, which makes it so hard to leave, but I am desperate.

It is very depressing. This man is very intelligent, has a good degree from Uni, has a good job, but you wouldn't believe how he acts with me..

Sorry to jump on your thread OP, I guess I just need to tell you that you are not alone and you have my sympathies.

Good luck
Xxx

mum2mum99 · 02/04/2016 15:40

Yes RhombusRiley being argumentative, retaliating causes even more bother.
Jess can you ever be assertive and be heard with him? Or no matter how important or good the cause is do you always end up the guilty and faulty party? Bottling up your frustration can cause a internal volcano which I hope will never explode.
Beatles19 kids learn from copying adults behaviour. So your DH is modelling abusive behaviour towards you and soon she will copy this out. He is harming her as well as you. Try to gather evidence of this and leave as soon as you can with your DD or kick him out.

Beatles19 · 02/04/2016 16:07

Thanks mum2mum

Yes I realise this and The frustration I have that he cant see what he is doing to DD is awful.
And the general frustration I have over the whole situation is already like a volcano
Big step to leave home, marriage , job ....
But this cant continue:((

mum2mum99 · 02/04/2016 20:43

I think you are at the point where you are aware and quite ready to do it Beatles!

Beatles19 · 03/04/2016 07:45

Today he is being lovely after I pointed out a few truths yesterday.

So he listened which is a huge step, but I know the pattern well,
One difference of opinion, handled in an adult way, or something said in tiredness
will lead to days of silent treatment and misery.

How are you OP?

Beatles19 · 03/04/2016 19:53

Still being reasonable to me,
I shouldn't wait for the fall out but it's such a regular pattern:(

How are you OP?

Jessbird1 · 05/04/2016 14:45

Oh no Beatles I am so sorry and thank you for sharing your story. Have you read the Lundy Bancroft book cited earlier? I think it's called 'Why do they do that' I am just reading it and having a huge epiphany, it is extremely eye opening so I would recommend it to you to help you understand the behaviour. I tried to sit down with my DH and talk it through. This time I was able to pay attention to what happens during our rows and see what was going on with fresh eyes. I realised that I only lose my temper because he is rude, sarcastic, calls me names, talks over me, refuses to listen, twists what I say and throws it back at me and basically sends me crazy by head fucking me. He couldn't even bring himself to write down 'apologise and accept responsibility if you are wrong' on the list of 'conflict resolutions' we were making. I realised at that point how bad the problem is. I sat down afterwards and wrote him a letter being as clear and concise as I could about the reasons I was hurt, and printed out some information from the Internet for him to read. I am away for five days so I'm going to let him read it and think about it and speak to him when I get back. I think the main thing is establishing some rules myself I.e. I won't contine a discussion if he is rude to me or starts being disrespectful. I have told him if we cannot get to the bottom of it between us then we

OP posts:
Jessbird1 · 05/04/2016 14:50

Oops! We will need to seek help and that I am going to go for therapy myself to get to the route of why I contine to allow men to treat me so badly. I know it's because I don't want it to be over and I am hoping the other person will change. I am feeling quite depressed thinking I have allowed myself to get into a relationship with another abusive man and I know that the outlook isn't good. I am just hoping for a miracle, that he might be able to reflect on things and understand he treats me badly and change!!!! Probably I am setting myself up for more hurt but I have to at least try as the only other option is divorce!!!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/04/2016 15:17

Jessbird

What do you get out of this relationship now?. What needs of yours does he meet?.

re your comment:-
"I am just hoping for a miracle, that he might be able to reflect on things and understand he treats me badly and change!!!! Probably I am setting myself up for more hurt but I have to at least try as the only other option is divorce!!!".

You are simply setting yourself and by turn your son up for yet more hurt if you think he is going to have any sort of epiphany here because that will not happen. He feels entitled to treat you like this and feels he is doing nothing wrong here. Look at his own parents relationship; what did he learn about relationships when growing up?. All this stuff is deeply ingrained within his own psyche. He has chosen you as the scapegoat for all his inherent ills; men like your H really hate women, all of them starting with their own mother. What is so wrong with divorce exactly in these circumstances?. A fear perhaps of being "on your own", a feeling of somehow having "failed" in marriage?. What is it?. What has kept you within this to date?.

All your words are those of an abused woman.

I was going to ask you what you learnt about relationships when you were growing up; what sort of an example did your parents set you?. Why indeed have you allowed yourself and in turn your child also to be treated so badly, is this really what you want to teach your child about relationships?. Answering those questions and facing that full on now could lead you and your child to a brighter future free of abuse.

I would also suggest you speak to Womens Aid now and look into enrolling on their Freedom Programme which is for women who have been in abusive relationships. WA can and will help you here.

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is NONE. Repeat, none.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/04/2016 15:20

No decent counsellor would ever see the two of you in the same room due to the abuse. Joint counselling is NEVER recommended when abuses of whatever type is present.

Counselling for you solely is a must do. Never attend any sessions with him.

Abuse is about power and control; this man wants absolute over you. It is not about a lack of being able to communicate.

rwilkinson84 · 05/04/2016 15:51

I'm really sorry you're going through this - it sounds like classic gaslighting:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

hellsbellsmelons · 05/04/2016 16:23

Oh he WILL change.
For a couple of months.
Then it will creep back in again and you won't notice it for a while.
These me just don't change.
This behaviour is at their very core.
It is what they thrive on.
Sorry but you are setting yourself up for more abuse just probably done in a more subtle way.
That is IF he can take any responsibility, which he won't, it will all be your fault! Just for a change!

DoreenLethal · 05/04/2016 17:19

The only thing they change love is the methods; you can never be right! That's the point.

Why on earth would you not want this to be over?

KatsutheClockworkOctopus · 05/04/2016 21:53

Oh Jessbird - those "pet names" have brought tears to my eyes-let alone all the other details you have given.
Please do as others have said and seek counselling to help you understand why you feel this is all you are worth.
Regarding DS, while your DH "adores" him now, once he gets old enough to challenge his dad this may well change. Counselling will help you to protect him too.

Beatles19 · 06/04/2016 19:59

Thank you Jess, I will get the book you suggested, it sounds good and lots of posters mention it.
You sound like me, having to try everything, before the last resort...divorce.
But isn't it exhausting.
Wishing you lots of luck
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