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DH has an interrupting/attention-seeking problem and it's getting bad with the DC

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yourlastwords · 20/03/2016 18:20

This is a real hard one to explain but it's becoming a bit of a problem. I have DC of 4yo and 13mo. 4yo is learning to read and has games that she plays on her own, and 13mo is learning to walk and talk. They both have little repetitive routines and processes that they are familiar with and they enjoy, e.g. 4yo likes to read certain books to herself and likes to get to the end and clap. And 13mo likes it when I count and sing songs with him. I know that DH knows about these things in theory, as he tells other people about them, but he cannot seem to recognise where their attention is and when. I'll give you a few examples:

I will be counting to ten with 13mo and he'll be repeating some of the numbers after me, fully engaged, and DH will shout 13mo's name from across the room repeatedly, over my voice, trying to get his attention for no reason, but just to distract him from counting. He can't wait until we've got to ten. If 13mo is taking some tentative steps, making his way over to pick up a toy or to get to a sofa (I will have said "where's your train?" and 13mo will be walking slowly and pointing at the train ahead of him), DH will swoop in and grab him and throw him up in the air before he's got to the train, and 13mo will start crying because his plan has been uncontrollably scuppered.

We went to the seaside last week and 13mo was saying the words he knows to do with water and animals and pointing at them. I was saying "yes! well done, and what's that?" 13mo thinks about it and starts to say the word but is distracted by DH waving in front of his face and saying his name because he has some ice cream on his finger that he wants 13mo to lick off.

If 4yo is reading her book and is obviously engrossed and halfway through, DH will launch from across the room with another book and start reading it very loudly to her. If she says no Daddy, and pushes him away, he will think she is play fighting and grab her and fake wrestle with her, lifting her off the ground, the half read book falling to the floor and she will start crying too.

I sing songs from tapes with both DC together and we can be in the middle of a song and he will come over and jump on me and try and play fight with me and put his hand over my mouth to stop me singing and shout something like "Mummy attack!" So the tape is left playing with the music and they just look a bit confused. They don't find it funny because for them it has interrupted a process and is rather random, whereas I suppose if he made it more of a process in itself - like a game he played with them - or "his thing," they would probably find it fun.

It would be fair enough if he had some other plan of something to do with them or something to say to them or teach them when he gets their attention, but he doesn't. He fundamentally can't seem to observe what they're doing and work out what he could do to enhance the experience they are already having. He can only impose on them in some other random, fleeting and unrelated way which takes their attention for a few seconds. It's mainly just calling their name repeatedly to distract them enough from what they're doing that they can't go back to it. If they do respond to him and go up to him, he has nothing to say and nothing to give them. There's never a "new" game. He just wanted to call their name and get their attention.

He is like this with everyone, but most adults are good at handling it or just ignore him. His mother, sister and brother are exactly the same too. On the occasions that I have brought it up, he will take the incident as isolated and he will say "but I wanted to read her a book, what's wrong with that?" Or "I saw you from across the room and just wanted to hug you tight."

Of course, all these things isolated are fine in themselves, but when it happens so often and so repeatedly, especially when he is in the house and not at work and needs so much attention all the time, we can barely get through any routine without DH distracting heavily from it.

I'm not sure if he's just a childish, attention-seeking arsehole, or whether he has some other issue? What do you think?

OP posts:
gingerboy1912 · 20/03/2016 19:23

Is he like this at work or if you are out with friends?

spiceynutsaddiction · 20/03/2016 19:29

I may be way off the mark but is there any chance he's trying to make things a bit more light-hearted and fun? Just wondering as my parenting used to be a bit earnest, sounds similar to what you describe. And I realised after spending time with a friend who has a very relaxed household that they had a lot more spontaneity and silliness and my eldest loved it. Not everything has to be an "activity". We relaxed and goof around a bit more. Maybe there's room for a balance between your two approaches.

Bambooshoots14 · 20/03/2016 19:33

Is it really a problem though? Does everything have to be such a routine?

Bambooshoots14 · 20/03/2016 19:34

spicey I agree

lorelei9 · 20/03/2016 19:49

he could set up some fun times though

tbh I don't think that's it anyway but even if it was, if it makes the kids cry, then how is he bringing fun to anything?

at my age - 40! - I am still really grateful that my parents worked with me on reading and maths when I was a pre-schooler, made a huge difference to start school ahead. Also - the joy of reading!

OzzieFem · 20/03/2016 20:11

Perhaps when he sees you engaging with the children he feels left out but doesn't have the social aptitude. (not sure if that is the correct phrasing) to know how to become part of the group without breaking it up?

Is there any way you can get/teach your husband to do something similar or simpler with one child, to make him feel part of the family, and not just an onlooker?

IonaNE · 20/03/2016 20:52

It's not a question of too much routine: OP says that the children cry because their plans/goals have been thwarted.

OP, your H is being childish and he is competing with his children for your attention. The question is only whether it's conscious on his part.

I would also be tempted to hand over the children to him for longer periods, does he ever have them on his own for hours on end? E.g. when it's not the question of sweeping up a toddler halfway to his train, but having to entertain them for an afternoon?

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 20/03/2016 20:55

Good suggestion iona. Best way to learn to deal.with kids is trial.and error. He can then find 'their things'. Possibly he is jealous of you ability to inyeract with kids and doesn't know how to himself

RomiiStartsAnew · 20/03/2016 21:00

It sounds like my xH who needed attention all the time, unless he wanted to concentrate on his own thing. It was unbelievably stressful. I couldn't do anything, alone or with DC, without him interrupting or taking over.
Makes me stressed just remembering.

RomiiStartsAnew · 20/03/2016 21:01

Oh, and of course he never interrupted the actual work aspects of childrearing!

MrsSteptoe · 20/03/2016 21:03

Sounds incredibly irritating, OP, but your post did make me wonder: if he stops interrupting what you're doing with the children, would he ever get a look-in with his own kids? Or would it all have to be on your terms and aligned with your developmental goals for your (mutual) kids?
Sorry, I know I'm going against the flow and I sound as though I'm taking his side -- I'm actually not, I get irritated with my DH for doing similar things when I'm trying to do homework with DS or practise Spanish or whatever, he'll suddenly barge in with loud (inaccurate) Spanish counting or something and it does feel like he's suddenly making a bid for attention. So I do understand. It just sounds from your post - and maybe it's just the way you've written it - as though ALL your kids' experiences are being seen by you through a developmental lens, and there's no room for him to do anything with them. Sorry if I've got that wrong.

lorelei9 · 20/03/2016 21:04

MrsSteptoe, now I'm wondering why your DH does it Confused

eurochick · 20/03/2016 21:05

I think it's six of one half dozen of another. He sounds annoying. But I agree with the other poster that you sound a bit earnest. A 13 on the old doesn't need to be focusing on counting to ten!

MrsSteptoe · 20/03/2016 21:08

Lorelei He can be a bit of a compulsive "Silly Daddy". I can't think about it too much or I'll suddenly put down Mumsnet and start telling him to stop doing it out of the blue, and since DS went to bed half an hour ago, he might wonder what on earth I'm talking about.

lorelei9 · 20/03/2016 22:08

MrsSteptoe "He can be a bit of a compulsive "Silly Daddy"."

don't even know what that is, but never mind.

and you tell him to stop doing it when he's not doing it?

I am sooooooo confused right now.

MrsSteptoe · 20/03/2016 22:17

Lorelei "Silly Daddy"=a particular way of behaving around children with the intention of being the clown, annoying when you need DC to focus on homework. Compulsive=compulsive.

"I can't think about it too much or I'll suddenly put down Mumsnet and start telling him to stop doing it out of the blue, and since DS went to bed half an hour ago, he might wonder what on earth I'm talking about." = if I brood on it, I may suddenly start telling him off for doing it even when he isn't doing it just out of sheer irritation. Not meant to be taken too literally.

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yourlastwords · 21/03/2016 10:34

Sorry I've taken so long to come back to the thread.

I understand i may come across as earnest but that's because I was trying to illustrate clearly what he does with some rock solid examples which you could feel an affinity with as developmental stuff with children - but he does it in all scenarios.

I totally get the "silly daddy" thing steptoe. Even feeding them, bathing them etc, he dips in and dips out and is always "silly daddy" for 5-10 seconds, completely distracting them or whipping them up into a (usually negative) hysterical frenzy, then goes away.

At work his colleagues tell me he enters meetings, late, already talking to the room, as he walks through the door, regardless of what discussion is being bad at the time.

I went to a once a week yoga class last week and DH took 13mo for one hour. People can watch from the gallery above (which is where DH and 13mo were sitting throughout the class) when it came to the lying down, silent meditation bit at the end I heard banging on the gallery glass, then someone shouting my name. I looked up and the whole class looked and sat up and it was DH waving 13mo's hand, vigorously.

OP posts:
cruusshed · 21/03/2016 10:50

He is undermining and sabotaging your parenting.

Either he thinks it is too restrictive and earnest and he wants balance with the silly stuff.

But you need to talk to each other - agree a broader united parenting approach - each with your own personality brought to it.

It sounds as if he has a bigger issue around ADHD - he needs to look at this seriously as he could loose his job - he will be seen as ineffective and disruptive.

annandale · 21/03/2016 11:03

Sorry I had to smile at the yoga class.

It's the 'time and a place' thing he doesn't seem to get, from what you say.

I've no experience in developmental difference like adhd or add so will leave that one, though it sounds like something to explore.

It sounds like you are well able to focus on your child's activities and support their own explorations, i.e. the kind of parenting we'd all aspire to.

Rough and tumble is fantastic but it has to be at the right Tim and place, following the kids' cues. If he's never learned how to do that, that's one thing, but it sounds as if he doesn't know that it's possible.

Could you possibly get a few video clips of the children absorbed in what they are doing in the way you describe, with or without you supporting I, and have a chat with him? I think it would be interesting to know what he actually sees if he watches something like that.

lorelei9 · 21/03/2016 11:10

Could he just be an arse? Some people do enjoy that....

fatherpeeweestairmaster · 21/03/2016 11:18

Are you married to Frank Spencer?

Sorry, OP. It's one thing doing it at home but if he doesn't have the social skills to realise that banging on the glass at your yoga class is disruptive for complete strangers, there's clearly something amiss. If I'd been on the mat next to you, I think I'd have had to have had a word with him. How old is he? And how long has been at his job? Surely someone, at some point, is going to take him to one side and point out that lateness, disruptiveness, etc, is a serious work problem?

yourlastwords · 21/03/2016 12:01

fatherpeewee yes that's what I always thought - that it would permeate the rest of his life but it doesn't really. He is very intelligent and good at his job, and while he infuriates people, I expect they just put up with it because most of the time he is more useful than not useful. But he does get put in his place a lot by people. He gets shushed a lot, especially in cinemas, and some more aggressive people get very angry with him, because he IS very disruptive.

I am just trying to figure out whether it is adhd or AS or something. Or whether he is just being an attention seeking arsehole who has been allowed to be like this his whole life.

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HeavenlyPeas · 21/03/2016 12:06

DH has these sort of tendencies - exactly the same stuff as well re distracting DS in the middle of stuff, jumping on me to cuddle me when I'm doing something (bear hug pinning my arms down while I'm trying to cook a stir fry is particularly annoying). He has ADHD.

However, crucially, he is aware he has ADHD and therefore takes it on the chin when I say 'You are doing x. X is not normal and is in fact highly irritating. Please stop it.'

He can't always help himself as it's to do with the way he's fundamentally wired - he has limited impulse control - but he does try hard. I'd never want to stop it completely as it's part of who he is, and in some ways it's lovely and in others definitely funny. But just like he's had to find ways to manage remembering stuff/ behaving appropriately at work, now he's married and has a child, he has to find ways to remember to behave appropriately and in a way conducive to family harmony with us.

I do think it's something worth exploring with your DH, but if he either doesn't have ADHD or is not receptive to exploring the possibility, you need just to tell him he's being a knob.

FreddoFrog · 21/03/2016 12:15

It really sounds like ADHD.

If your DH's family are like this too, maybe it's just learned behaviour but I really would get him checked out by a psych. They could give him strategies to help him, maybe some social skills training and maybe even some medication to assist. Definitely worth looking into. Good luck.

PennyHasNoSurname · 21/03/2016 12:18

Maybe he thinks you are hot housing your kids and wants them to have fun? Teaching a 13mo to count to ten??

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