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He isn't very sexy anymore...

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cakestop2016 · 18/03/2016 04:01

DP and I have been talking marriage over the last couple of weeks and I've become a little worried that I'm going to be making a mistake...
DP is a nice man; we have a beautiful child together whom we both adore and we always knew that eventually we would marry. The time has come where life has settled down and money allows a wedding but I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing.

Is it normal for you to find your partner/husband less attractive when children come along? I don't mean in terms of just looks either, I feel I've lost all admiration for him as a person.

Since DD has come along, I've found DP to be increasingly frustrating, stubborn, lazy and very complacent.
The problems are:
His lack of ambition or motivation for anyhing- he leaves tasks not done or incompleted, the same goes for his attitude at work. He's known as a bit lazy but gets away with it because he's 'nice' I'm starting to wish he had more zest for life.
-everything gets left to me unless I request help with it. I have to write him a list of little jobs most weekends before he'll unglue himself from the sofa. I find it annoying that he can't think for himself and have the decency to give me a bit of head space.
-He allowed his DM to wreak havoc after DD was born and I lost a lot of respect for him. Again, I had to take control of the situation and persuading him to back me up was a huge headache.
-he doesn't talk. Unless it's trivial. He actually talks all the time, loudly about gossipy stuff- things I've no head space for. Yet getting him to talk about finances, future plans or anything of any importance is an uphill struggle.

  • personal hygiene. For some reason, since the birth of DD I've seen a decline in DPs personal hygiene. He's never been a morning person but would rather lie in bed for an extra 5 minutes than shower. In the evenings, he would prefer to watch an extra 5 minutes of netflix than clean himself
  • he has no sex drive. Before DD sex wasn't fantastic, but it was OK. We are both a little tired now having a toddler but again, DP would rather stay up and watch Netflix rather than make love to me...
  • he makes very little effort with our relationship and unless it's me planning date nights in date nights out nothing gets thought about or planned. He's bored of listening to me complain about his lack of effort and so am I.

I love DP, but not sure if I love him romantically enough to marry him. I miss the excitement of our relationship before DD came along but fear that DP has fallen into the habit of little effort. I have my faults too and he is kind to me in general (makes me a cup of tea, buys me flowers every week after getting into the habit of going to the shop every Friday on his way home from work) but that's just it. He operates on autopilot 90% of the time and I'm growing concerned that its just not enough for me. I need him to make more effort with thinking and trying to think for himself.
I can hear people asking why I decided to have a child with him in the first place. Because I once wanted to spend my future with him, he once made an effort and there was once more time for procrastination. Life changes with a little one and I don't feel he's kept up with those changes. He's a wonderful hands on father, but I'm worried it's not enough. I don't find his behaviours or attitude to things very sexy or pro-active, I find him draining.
Is this normal life-with-a-young-child-relationship-blues or should I be concerned that marrying him could be a mistake?

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cakestop2016 · 19/03/2016 17:57

DP has always found my 'head on problem solving' and talking very negative. I think it's because he doesn't like to face up to things. I think he's the negative one actually.
Either way, he is who he is and he's given up of us because he can't stand what he hears as 'moaning'. DP would happily continue on this note for the reSt of the week: us both wondering where all this is going now, us speaking only about required things. I'm in for a miserable week ahead. I can't make him talk, but I know the outcome is us barely speaking because DP will try to continue as nothing has happened or been said and I will grow increasingly frustrated and resentful. I think I may move into the spare room, let him know that I'm serious and it isn't going to go away. I'm dreading the miserable rest of the week.

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cakestop2016 · 19/03/2016 18:05

Any ideas on how to make better this crappy situation of not speaking based on whats been said today and avoiding a week of upset? Trying to get him to talk again isn't an option: I will just be setting myself up for failure.

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Joysmum · 19/03/2016 18:37

If he's given up on you both and thinks discussion is 'moaning' then you stand no hope of trying to improve things because you're the only one open to changing things.

Sounds to me (and I hope I'm wrong) that you either accept things as they are now or that you've come to the end of the line.

Personally, I couldn't bear to be with anyone if they see who I am and how I am as negative and moaning.

If that were the case I could never be me and they'd never actually love me. Sad

wideboy26 · 19/03/2016 19:48

In my view you need to take control and show him you are serious and not being negative or moany. All the while he can shut you up and hope it will go away, he gets what he wants, so why would he try anything else? You need to say or do something that will make him stop and think. Perhaps ask him to move out as his failure to engage with you means that you can't continue the relationship - certainly not as far as marriage - so there is no point in him living under the same roof. Have your answers ready about finances, co-parenting and other practical issues so that he can see you have thought about it and are not bluffing. The shock might cause him to talk to you properly, and I'm sure it will be a shock.

MatrixReloaded · 19/03/2016 20:04

Intermittent conversations about this won't have any effect. I don't think he's going to take you seriously until you either stop having sex with him / give him the ilybinilwy speech or move out of the bedroom. Personally I'd do all three.

cakestop2016 · 19/03/2016 21:12

He isn't bothered about having sex so I don't think he'd care much if I abstained. He should notice me moving out of our bedroom though...!
what's the ilybinilwy speech?!

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Pannacott · 19/03/2016 21:32

The getting through the week based on what's been said - treat it as an experiment in separating. Please yourself this week. If on some level he gets something out of you being miserable, deny him that. Mentally separate for the week - cook your own dinner, go to bed when you fancy it, see people as and when you like, don't run it by him. Don't have any expectations about what he should do around the house / assume he will do nothing. It may shift some of this horrible dynamic between you whereby you're always wanting more and he's always resisting. Maybe have an idea that next weekend you will talk about a trial separation. Sorry it's come to this.

MatrixReloaded · 19/03/2016 21:37

I love you but I'm not in love with you.

Is he overweight ? Does he snore ?

sonjadog · 19/03/2016 21:41

This sounds so unhappy. Do you really see a way to sort this out? If he refuses to communicate with you, I can't see how that is at all possible. Do you not think it would be better to call it a day and then focus on successful co-parenting?

AnyFucker · 19/03/2016 22:18

Op, look up stonewalling

It's a form of emotional abuse. Don't set yourself up for a lifetime of the same treatment.

derxa · 20/03/2016 04:43

I've done the list thing and given days and times that he can get his fair share of jobs done but to be honest, I found it all very demeaning and degrading to have to do that for him
If my DH gave me a list of jobs, I'd tell him to stick it up his fundament.

Kr1stina · 20/03/2016 07:02

That's a Helpful comment derxa

jevoudrais · 20/03/2016 08:43

What comes across to me is your uncertainty about it. Deep down I think you know if you can make a go of it or not. How do you feel when people on here say gosh leave him, versus give him a chance?

FWIW I write my DP lists. I'm someone that will do xyz so I can relax after. He is someone that dips in and out of chores because he likes to potter about. Sometimes he gets too enthused cleaning the car and forgets to hoover even though we have visitors coming etc. He's quite happy with lists, and writes them for himself a lot too. I'd rather he was like me and blitzed stuff then chilled. But he's not, and he still does his fair share albeit disjointed.

I've seen it a few times on here how people couldn't be with someone they had to write lists for. I guess it just shows what you are and aren't prepared to accept. I've accepted that I'm the pro active one, but I don't mind chivvying him along because we are on the same path, just prefer to get there via different routes. My DP also never has the same days off so his work life is very disjointed, whereas mine is very structured. Rambling now, but I think situations can be viewed from different angles and that you should try to figure out whatever it is your gut is telling you.

schlong · 20/03/2016 09:09

Op I sympathize and would be thinking of leaving him tbh let alone marriage! You deserve so much more. Why settle for this?

TheCrumpettyTree · 20/03/2016 09:15

He won't communicate with you and when you try he blames you. He doesn't want to try and help the relationship.

Lightbulbon · 20/03/2016 09:18

This sounds quite similar to me/us.

I decided to stay. My reasoning was that my desire to have another DC was huge and I didn't want to risk not finding another partner to have another DC with before I'm so old that infertility could affect me.

So I stayed and had another DC with dp.

As a parenting partnership we work well.

The lack of affection etc... I don't know but I can see why people have affairs.

cakestop2016 · 21/03/2016 09:07

DP has decided to talk:
He is depressed. He's feeling overweight and stressed with the amount of work there is to do in the house (perhaps my lists made him realise!)
As we both work, we're going to look at getting a cleaner to ease the work load and release more time for other jobs and enjoyment.
I told him I needed more affection and outlined some of my plans to separate: practically and financially. He began crying saying that he couldn't believe I'd given it so much thought. I explained that he hadn't given me much choice when he wouldn't talk to me.
DP says that he hadn't realised that we needed to make more effort with each other now that DD is getting older, that he's so used to be not wanting to leave DD. He also said lack of sex is down to self consciousness about his body and his ability to perform. I said perhaps I could have been a bit more loving towards him to make him feel less so.
DP says he's now going to try a bit more. We had an early night last night and just cuddled and chatted. It was fine that we didn't have sex, I realised that affection is what I need more than anything. I just hope DP really does try now and doesn't go back to autopilot plodding on.

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sonjadog · 21/03/2016 09:14

Wish you both the best of luck. I hope this can be a turning point, but even if it doesn't work out, you will know that you tried what you could. I'd still wait a good long while before you start planning the wedding though.

pippistrelle · 21/03/2016 09:22

Yes, that's an important first step -and it's brave of him if it's not something that comes naturally - but that's all it is. It needs to be turned in to some sort of action now. But there's momentum that can be built on now.

Good luck to you both.

smallspikyleaves · 21/03/2016 09:27

oh get rid life is too short

he is lazy

he doesn't wash

the sex is gone

he is unambitious

that's more than enough. "just" one of those would be enough for me to ditch someone

smallspikyleaves · 21/03/2016 09:30

oh sorry just read last post, mine now sounds a bit heartless

however i would say (based on my own past experience as well as that of my friends) he probably wont change, sorry.

lottielou7 · 21/03/2016 09:34

Don't marry him. If you feel this way now how will it be in 10, 20 years etc?

I think it's fairly normal to fall out of love with someone whose too lazy to wash. Life is too short to settle with someone just because you have a child together.

cakestop2016 · 21/03/2016 09:53

I've explained that marriage is off the cards until things begin to improve (we had planned to marry next year) so I'll give a reasonable time scale for things to improve and if it doesn't, the next conversation will of course be separation. Thanks for your input everyone.

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LazyCake · 21/03/2016 10:08

Yes, you make a good point about co-habiting leaving women vulnerable in the case of relationship break-down. Do you think you are financially exposed? If so, making some kind of legally binding co-habiting agreement would be a better option than marrying this man, who is already making you desperately unhappy.

LazyCake · 21/03/2016 10:10

Sorry, x-post.

Good luck, OP. Flowers

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