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Has the troll advice thread gone?

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WhoaCadburys · 07/03/2016 19:19

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DarrenHardysDrongo · 10/03/2016 20:50

Liney, I was on that thread too.

Yes Sad said she'd sent PMs to the members of the group asking them to support the poster. She named three of them and apologised for 'dragging them into a fictitious saga'. She also said she was 'taken in by it' and that she 'genuinely believed' that the poster needed help.
That sounds like getting burnt to me, but sad seems to be in denial. And that's quite worrying, given that she seems to be very vulnerable at the moment and has prevously been very invested in other people's threads.

Surely this is even more reason why we need to be able to talk about this freely, without other members trying to censor us and being accused of troll hunting.

Sad if you see troll hunting on this thread, then report it. If people are sending you 'dreadful' PMs, then report them. HQ will deal with it.

TomHardysWilly · 11/03/2016 21:48

sad widow is not part of that group....

LineyReborn · 11/03/2016 21:53

Tom thank you for that message.

I hope you'll forgive me for gaining the impression from sadwidow's own posts over two threads that I read, that she was.

I'm now corrected.

usual · 11/03/2016 22:34

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SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 11/03/2016 22:46

Y,y...I was sure she was part of it all from what she wrote. Confused

DarrenHardysDrongo · 11/03/2016 22:55

I thought so too. Confused

TomHardysWilly · 11/03/2016 22:57

She may have been part of the original group that picked up on the inconsistencies in whatshername's first story that was deleted which was followed by the Apology but she is definitely not part of the group who recently discovered all the lies told by whatshername.

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exWifebeginsat40 · 11/03/2016 23:14

honestly, calm down. the internet is full of liars. it is also not compulsory. switch it off and go outside for a bit.

DarrenHardysDrongo · 11/03/2016 23:15

Usual, the Apology was after the first thread was deleted. A lengthy post from whatshername explaining why there were inconsistencies on the first thread, and apologising for those inconsistencies.

evangelinelily · 11/03/2016 23:16

was iwashap**''s whole story made up??! No....

usual · 11/03/2016 23:24

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DarrenHardysDrongo · 11/03/2016 23:28

Ah. Sudden realisation .

DixieNormas · 11/03/2016 23:36

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WellWhoKnowsTrolls · 12/03/2016 01:50

Hello. I'm back. I swear I'm about to be banhammered - and yes, I fear it will cause actual, real, proper physical pain given I don't have a scooby-doo what banhammering means...but I'm on a warning.

SadWidow, as far as I recall, was not a part of Hobbit's Bar. The Bar was for women struggling to cope with relationship breakups - mostly, but not always, involving a long marriage. My understanding is that SadWidow is widowed - and that has caused a great deal of sadness for her. The loss of a family pet recently can only cause further pain. I'm a pet person - so I send my condolences.

I wish no one pain although I'm prepared to take a 'ban-hammering' right now.

I do know MrsC in real life. I don't call her MrsC. On occasion I have been known to call her "you fecking loon" - but mostly, I treat her with respect. She knows me. It's no big secret we 'met' via MN. It's clear as day our friendship occurred because we both endured big, bastard divorces. It is fair to say that MrsC has reciprocated in friendship as much as I have given.

It is even fairer to say - she's a fecking loon! No doubt she'll be along in a mo to return insults. But my life would be much, much, much less hilarious were she not a part of it. I've been to hell and back in the last two years - but she's one of many people who is 'my silver lining'.

Other MNetters can also take credit as well.

Anyway, once upon a time, I wrote some posts under the influence of gin/wine and grief. And on one of those threads I apparently made a very small person laugh.

Some MNetter told a diddy person to get their own thread. So she did. Then we all piled in to say "me too". Little person became a total legend.

Turns out she lived over the hill from me. So we met up several times too. She was proper brilliant, largely because she is proper brilliant in real life.

A person who used to be happy decided that they belonged in that bar. The rule of the bar was you could be happy, sad, pissed off, drunk, addicted to methadone or indeed a loon - we didn't give a shit, we just cared that you said "me too!" to the 'coping with a relationship break up happening'. By virtue of real life, wittysisms, geography and all sorts of other shit - peeps became friends.

Peeps had meet ups.

Not unlike the fact that me and MrsC went to court together! As in, we got to know each other via PMs, then phone/email and all sorts of other shit.

This didn't always happen though. On one occasion we got guilted into a situation. But given we were all hurting, we wished no one any further hurt, we took someone at face value.

But it takes the fucking biscuit when you 'adopt a family' and portray them as yours. The women who I have met via "hobbit's bar" deserve respect - and pretending to be one of them, when you're not, is not respect.

Moreover, the women, and men, who take time out to think about situations, and type out a thoughtful, considered contributions to help you see the situation you're having to cope with, deserve respect for contributing to humanity.

I never once asked for advice - but I got support in buckets. I'm the first to say it kept me going through the most horrific experience of my life.

So if you're trolling - then you're being inhumane.

If you troll because you hurt - well that's your reason. But I hurt too, and still do, but I use my hurt positively. That's my choice.

Please don't diminish it.

And that's my issue. MN are adamant that not being happy right now is not trolling. My point is, that actually, real life is depicted on MN - so please believe us when someone catfishes.

Because it will happen again.

And maybe next person won't be quite as resilient.

WellWhoKnowsTrolls · 12/03/2016 02:03

Just for the record WWK is not washwithcare person but someone else right?

I do wash. I hope it's sufficiently. But I've never had a username that tells the world about my ablutions.

I hope that clears that matter up.

Nevergrowingup · 12/03/2016 09:19

WWK, what happened with your group is utterly horrid and I'm not sure how I'd feel if it was me. The betrayal suffered is not insignificant and I, like you, will never understand what drives someone to hurt in such an open and shameless way.

What I did want to add is that I have made some fabulous friends who I 'met' online. We share so much and have brought nothing but honesty, laughter and humanity to our friendship. So what that we met online! What matters is that you have a connection, that you respect each other and welcome the opportunity to be part of someone's life - someone you would not otherwise have met.

The trolls will never have that. A life based on deception and lies will eventually destroy people, but then again, that's assuming that they had a heart to begin with. Perhaps that's what we're missing, they are inhumane. At least my dog has a soul.

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FuckitAndStartAgain · 12/03/2016 10:40

As part of that group, I can honestly say I don't think I have ever interacted on or off line with sad widow.

What I have gained is a friendship and the sense of comraderie that the WWK refers to as the 'me too'. The group is only closed because we have used real identities real names and real situations. We took people at face value and in one of the people that was a poor choice. I have no regrets at all.

It is only right to return and tell all you guys to be careful when I know a character is trolling here and takes it into real life. Not just as a warning about that person (I am naive enough to believe she did not mean harm on the whole) but online generally. But, I would allow friendships to move from online to real world again no problem!

This is not a witch hunt although I stand by previous comments that MN have been extraordinarily remiss in the way they have dealt with this in my opinion. Open discussion, including real experiences, can only be useful to all I think!

Ps WWK does appear to wash reasonably often (although I am not sure about her cats) but is absolutely not the fantasist who entertained the boards a washwithcare and other such names. 😀

iwascatfished · 12/03/2016 11:08

I am also part of the group targeted by the latest troll. I don't regret making friends online because they have been a huge support and brought me a lot of happiness during an unhappy time. When your trust has been trampled by a cheating ex it hurts when someone who you thought was a friend tramples on your trust so soon afterwards. One of my biggest disappointments is that MN are unable to ban this particular troll because the evidence is outside their own website, so she remains free to post under all her usernames. If she was remorseful she would contact MN and confess and ask for her posts to be deleted but I don't think she will.

LineyReborn · 12/03/2016 11:10

What happened to Hobbit's Bar? I just searched and I saw thread #12 (!) goes up to November 2015, with 350 posts or so, and then just fizzles out. IWasHa* is posting on it a fair bit about her marriage break-up. Is that when you guys took it elsewhere? Because I don't blame you.

WWK I hope you don't get banned because I for one am glad I know the story, so I don't get sucked in. I do give advice on Relationships in good faith, as I've been through a lot myself, and I would hope that MNHQ wouldn't want posters like me to stop doing that - or the board would just become troll on troll action.

DarrenHardysDrongo · 12/03/2016 11:14

Thanks fuckit.

"As part of that group, I can honestly say I don't think I have ever interacted on or off line with sad widow. "

This is what I'm finding odd. Why would someone who wasn't in the group send PMs asking people in the group to engage with whatshername.
whatshername could have done that herself. Why did someone else who was on the outside get involved?

My closest friend has now emigrated to Canada but we met online over a decade ago. Maybe the internet was a safer place then, although I doubt it. We met on forum specialising in a shared interest. I certainly wouldn't rule out moving future online friendships into RL.
But trolls have made me extremely cynical and as a result I'm the first to admit I have much less of a problem with the troll hunters than I do with the trolls.

LineyReborn · 12/03/2016 11:16

For the record, though I am long divorced now, the way my ExH left, and behaved, was horrific, and I would myself appreciate somewhere to talk about it, as I'm not sure I ever really got over it fully. If that somewhere exists on MN as a particular thread, could someone kindly PM me please?

I have to go out and I'm not sure this thread will be here much longer. Many thanks to all who contributed, though. It's been sadly illuminating. Flowers

DarrenHardysDrongo · 12/03/2016 11:16

That should read "send PMs to some people in the group asking them to engage"

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