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Is my closest friend really my friend at all?

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Gobbolino6 · 02/03/2016 04:18

Hello all, I'd really appreciate any insight here.

Since having children and moving areas, I haven't had many close friends in my town. Lots of people to socialise with and some good friends, but no one I really clicked with.

I met a woman 18 months ago when our children started school together and over a few months we became really close. She pushed the friendship at first, texting and calling every day and it built up.

We started having play dates with the children most afternoons. I love her. She's warm, funny and down to earth.

After a few months, she suggested a big night out, but then a few days later I found out on FB that she'd made plans with another friend instead. Bear with me here..I'm not 15 and I don't care about this, but it's relevant. When I double checked with her she said she thought I'd fallen out with her because I hadn't texted her for 2 days. I was bemused but told her I didn't have an issue, and I made an effort to be in touch more often, which set the tone for the closeness of the friendship.

For the next year or so, we spent time together most days, usually at my house. She needed a lot of emotional support, turning up late at night was a regular occurrence. I provided food, alcohol and child care during half of each school holiday. She didn't..but I had no issues with this as I was not working and she was a single parent, and I live right by the school.

My Dh, however, has never liked her and has said she's 'a user'.

She met a new man and is now pregnant.

For months now she has, I would say, dramatically cooled the friendship. We see each other once a week or so outside school runs. She texts maybe twice a week...yetshe says we are still best friends. It took me ages to notice as to be honest that's more the level of contact that's normal to me with friends anyway. Plus she's busy with her new man and coming baby.

But it's been nagging at me late!y that perhaps she WAS using me. She acts the same, very effusive, when I see her, but we have no real interaction beyond small talk...and last week she didn't turn up for our usual play date. When I asked her where she was, she said 'I thought you'd fallen out with me because you hadn't texted me for ages'. I'd texted her several times with no reply. Am I daft to think she's not being honest?

Now I keep noticing that she stopped coming round when she couldn't drink alcohol provided by me any more. That the level of contact goes up dramatically just before a school holiday, which results in me providing free childcare. That she has a partner and no longer needs to borrow money an d pour out her woes. That she has a trail of broken friendships behind her and I don't really know why.

This has been long, sorry. I don't mind her cooling things, but why is she still going through the motions, pretending nothing has changed and being disingenuous about why? Is she possibly just using me? I really like her but can't shake the feeling I'm being taken for a mug.

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Gobbolino6 · 03/03/2016 08:12

Thank you. I am practising my assertive voice!

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GreenFishYellowFish · 03/03/2016 14:42

The problem with 'friends' like her is that they are only loyal to their requirements of you and what you do for them. They have no loyalty to you. And they don't think twice about moving onto someone else once they have exhausted the resources from a person.

I would just distance yourself, and focus on finding other friends to spend time with. Be pleasant and chatty with your friend, and meet up occasionally if if suits you, but say no to all favours.

Gobbolino6 · 03/03/2016 15:58

She cancelled the play date tonight when I saw her this morning, said her DC has been 'too naughty'. At school run this afternoon she tried to reinstate it. I said no. I've already cooked something her DC won't eat, and I'm just exhausted. I just said I'd made other plans. She said 'oh great, you've made me feel like shit now on top of everything else'. Normally I'd apologise but I just couldn't face doing so today.

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Choceclair123 · 03/03/2016 16:16

She sounds like a pain in the ass and a real user. Don't bother

Gobbolino6 · 03/03/2016 16:30

I'm going to stop messaging her for a bit. It seems like she's trying to cut back contact. Unsure what I will say when she asks about Easter holiday care. I really appreciate the advice and support. I feel over-invested, but she's been a huge part of !my life for 18 months. Thank you all.

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Walkacrossthesand · 03/03/2016 16:34

Presumably she assumed you would take her DC off her hands at short notice, you said 'can't' so she felt like shit because she was looking forward to a break? Not your responsibility and very telling that that was her reaction. Well done for not giving in or apologising. Not your monkeys, not your circus. Now just make that the way you deal with her all the time! Smile

Walkacrossthesand · 03/03/2016 16:37

PS the thing to say when she asks about Easter holiday childcare is - no. And also remain guarded when the contacting steps up in a week or so, to reduce any expectation that you'll do it just because you have in the past.

MoominPie22 · 03/03/2016 16:41

Why would you have made her feel like shit, when she cancelled the playdate? Confused Is she pissed off just cos you didn´t do her bidding and jump when she said ¨jump¨? Shock

Seriously, you´re not her unpaid servant or skivvy. Angry Don´t buy into any of this pathetic guilt-trip, manipulation bollocks. Why should you feel sorry for her after everything you´ve done for her? Can´t believe you´ve got 3 kids and regularly mind her child too! Wow Shock

You do know if you carry on being a doormat she´ll expect you to babysit her latest sprog too once she goes back to work? Does that sound like an appealing prospect to you?

Nothing at all wrong with withdrawing. You´ve spoilt her is all, but let Her Ladyship go and drown her sorrows on someone else´s wine and sort her own bloody childcare problems out. Like the rest of the population has to!

HortonWho · 03/03/2016 16:43

Sorry, I'm looking forward to family time. Plus, I'm always out of pocket feeding you lot (smile jokingly).

SanityClause · 03/03/2016 16:53

Why don't you get a date in the diary for her DC to come over, at Easter time?

"Would X like to come over one day in the holidays to play? What about .....?" And name a single date.

That makes it clear that you intend to do one day only.

If she then asks for other days, just tell her it gets a bit much for you with four children, and you need to leave days free for other friends to come, as well as having some time to chill with just your family. Then, if she is insistent be a broken record - "I really can't do it."

If she is just a taker which she is she'll soon show her colours.

Choceclair123 · 03/03/2016 18:10

My guess is when she realises you're no longer willing to be used she will clear off. I used to have a "friend" like that. You'll feel so much better once you stand your ground, believe me!

Gobbolino6 · 04/03/2016 11:06

She ignored me at the school this morning, so I just stayed chatrring with some other firemds. If she brings up Easter, I'd be surprised, think she's burning her bridges. If she talks to m!e again, I'll use your suggestion Sanity, it's excellent. Feeling strangely low about the whole thing.

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shamonts · 04/03/2016 11:12

Gobbolino I feel for you I have been in this almost exact position with my dsis

You are NOT a doormat you are a nice kind person who wanted a friend. She doesn't sound like any kind of friend worth having. Please try to get out a bit and meet some other people?

Sanity's suggestion is fab, wish I was that forward thinking!

shamonts · 04/03/2016 11:13

And I'd get sanity's suggestion out and about before she starts hanging round you again.

What would happen if YOU approached HER and said lets get a date in the diary for one day over Easter?

Gobbolino6 · 04/03/2016 12:02

Thanks shamonts. I don't know. I am unsure how or if to approach her. I am beginning to understand the trail of ex-friends.

It would feel odd to bring that up now. She's waiting for me to make the first move, but there's nothing we've actually fallen out over.

I guess I will wait to see if she goes back to acting 'as normal' in the run up to Easter. If so, I have lots filling up the calendar and I will tell her I will take her DC for up to one day each week.

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amarmai · 04/03/2016 12:21

She is using you and will come back again. Users think they are smarter because they take from givers . If the new man is also a taker ,i doubt that will work out well and she will be back planning to use you even more. What is your plan?

Gobbolino6 · 04/03/2016 14:05

She's very good at getting me to do what she wants. The plan as it stands is not to contact her unless she contacts me, in which case I will respond.

If she asks about the Easter break, my answer will be that I can have her DC one day a week. If she then tries 'oh, something's fallen through, can you have DC today?' my answer will be 'no, that doesn't work for me'.

The trouble is, I know I will end up apologising and acting as though I'm at fault. The saving grace at the minute is that, now I've realised sje , quite frankly, doesn't give a monkey's about our friendship unless she stands to gain something, I'm quite angry, so less inclined to take on blame.

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MoominPie22 · 04/03/2016 15:04

So why offer to mind her kid for 1 day even? Confused You´ve just stated what you think, that she doesn´t give a toss...she´s blanked you at school, and yet you´re that trained by her to do her bidding that you´ve already got your response ready. To mind her child??

Don´t understand the logic there I´m afraid. She´s really got you wrapped round her finger hasn´t she? She says jump, you say how high? No offence but you´re sounding like Pavlov´s dog.

Choceclair123 · 04/03/2016 15:13

Agree with pp. OP, what are you thinking?! Confused

shamonts · 04/03/2016 16:39

You do sound really in awe of her.

Gobbolino6 · 04/03/2016 16:40

It does sound lile that. My kids are friends with hers. That said , yes, I'm thinking 'I can't leave her in the lurch as she'll be relying on this'. Which is ridiculous.

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shamonts · 04/03/2016 16:42

So what would be the worst thing that could happen if you said no I can't have your DC over easter

MoominPie22 · 04/03/2016 20:09

But she´s already not speaking to you so what´s the big deal? Why you feeling obligated?

She´s childish, false, needy, manipulative, selfish and greedy....to name but a few attractive traits. Where on earth is the appeal I´m wondering? Cos you´re just a convenience to her, nothing more by the sounds of things.

If she was wanting you to help her out with childcare favours then she should have taken a lot more care and made much more effort with your so-called ¨friendship¨, shouldn´t she? But as it stands, she doesn´t value your friendship at all cos she feels she can drop you at any time. If you were such a good friend in her eyes then why on earth would she blank you? Confused

I´d rather do without her messing me about and hold out for some genuine friends as opposed to someone as shallow and self-absorbed as she is.

I know when I start to feel unappreciated and taken for granted by someone I just withdraw from them. It´s not on and I´m not a mug basically. Kind gestures should be appreciated, reciprocated (when the need arises ) and never just expected.

springydaffs · 04/03/2016 21:17

You invested a lot in this friendship, thought it was real (and in many ways it was): you can't just turn all that off in a moment. It'll take a while.

But it's started. It's a process.

No wonder you feel glum - anybody would.

Fwiw I think the friendship was real from what you've said. Just that some people [think they have to?] manipulate to get what they need.

Or are just plain manipulative bcs they're greedy? Oh I don't know - but is miserable to be on the end of. Especially if you're a kind sort Flowers

I'm with you about worrying about leaving her high and dry. Yy she's manipulative but I can see you can't just chop her (and her kids) off. Perhaps grade it in eg the one day a week you're proposing.

HortonWho · 04/03/2016 22:34

When she says Oh I thought you fell out with me...Look her in the eye and say "I did."

If she asks why... Same reason you always fall out with your friends.