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Toxic, manipulative but frail elderly mother

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TheIncongruousPheasant · 24/02/2016 15:39

I tried to write a post, but it's so long that nobody would ever be able to read it. I've had to split it into two massive, unreadable posts, and it doesn't get across even a quarter of it. My MH is shot to pieces. Please don't feel obliged to read it. I've also changed my name, so please don't say if you recognise me.

Mum is 86, with minor cognitive impairment (lifelong, not age-related). I live nearby and help her, along with my sister. Mum can be loving, but is also self-centred, childish and manipulative. When we were children she was generally neglectful, and enabled/excused physical and sexual abuse by family members. Until now, I’ve found helping her to be a healing experience, but lately I’m struggling. I think I’m losing a fiction I’d built of a happy family, being a good girl, looking after Mum ‘as she looked after me’, when really she didn’t.

After an illness last year, Social Services helped us arrange a supported housing place, as even before this she’d only been coping with lots of support from us, and she’s now very unsteady on her feet. She doesn’t like it and wants to live alone, or with one of us. The supported place provides meals, housekeeping and an emergency warden. She has carers for washing and dressing, after many episodes of turning them away and calling us to wash her instead. Dsis and I do the rest (e.g. replenishing toiletries, changing sheets, admin), and visit her daily.

But her demands for transport are breaking us. She can’t drive, or walk outside unsupported, and refuses a frame or stick so it must be a person. She relies on us to take her places. Under normal circumstances this would be fine. But for Mum’s whole life she’s operated entirely on her own terms, with no consideration of others. She doesn’t make arrangements or agree convenient times like other people. Everything is spur of the moment. She won’t make appointments, even with the doctor: just turns up, expecting to be seen. (This works for her, as people usually cave after she’s been there a while.) Now that she’s old, she still wants this spontaneity – but expects us to facilitate it, and gets us to do it by bullying, manipulating, guilt-tripping and outright lying.

When she wants to be taken somewhere she never asks in advance. She just rings, wanting me to come now. Or I might arrive for a different reason, and find her all ready to be taken to the optician’s or wherever. Simple enough with advance notice and an appointment: hours of awkwardness and embarrassment with Mum. Often I have to refuse, because it doesn’t work with something else I have to do. I’ve tried explaining that I’m happy to take her anywhere, as long as she lets me make an appointment, or asks me earlier to be sure that it works for me. I’ve tried ringing or arriving at a regular time each day, asking if there’s anywhere she wants to go. She says there isn’t – and then rings later on, expecting me to arrive. And often I just can’t.

But if I don’t come, she very often sets off walking by herself. She’s been hurt many times after falling in the street. She then displays her injuries and tells everyone she fell when going to buy the paper (or whatever) by herself, ‘because I wouldn’t come’. The supported complex doesn’t provide care and she is free to come and go, so the staff can’t stop her and have no responsibility to watch her. They tell me that one day she’ll be seriously injured.

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CMOTDibbler · 27/02/2016 17:13

And nothing awful has happened has it? If your mum really needed anything it could be sorted by phone (Amazon Prime and Ocado deal with just about everything for me on a next day basis).

I think saying you will see her once a week would be a real start - you have the mental backup that you'd be willing to do two so if you were genuinely needed to take her to an appointment you could without going over whatever time 'quota' you want to set.

TheIncongruousPheasant · 27/02/2016 17:49

I suppose the 'bad thing' that's been happening - which we previously had desperately tried to avoid - is that her 92-year-old friend will have been roped in to do all the driving instead. I have no doubt that this is why he was so keen on finding out where I was (i.e. when I'm coming back, to take over). And he'll be putting pressure on Mum to get me back as well, so that he doesn't 'have to' do it any more. We've always tried to tell him that he should just say no, but he is also manipulative and sometimes likes to be seen to have a hard time IYSWIM. I'm sure that the next thing will be another call from his daughter about us 'forcing her father to look after our mother'. But again, all this was already happening when we were there, despite our best efforts.

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suzannecaravaggio · 27/02/2016 17:55

but he is also manipulative and sometimes likes to be seen to have a hard time IYSWIM

phew, it's such a complex web isnt it
so many ways to trap you

I can see why going no contact can seem like the best option with people like this

TheIncongruousPheasant · 27/02/2016 17:58

It's my gut reaction, suzanne, but I know I'd regret it and at heart feel that it would be wrong to completely abandon her.

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CMOTDibbler · 27/02/2016 18:01

He is Not Your Problem. If he chooses to do these things it is His Problem. If his daughter rings, so what? You can't change your mother or her father, so it is still, guess what? Not Your Problem.

Its hard to get to the point of believing this I know, but if you keep telling yourself it, it will gradually get there. You can only control yourself and the things you choose to do. If your mother pulls other people into her toxic world it is Not Your Fault, nor your problem to solve.

TwoLeftSocks · 27/02/2016 18:06

Would it help if, knowing your or your DH might get calls from various people, to work out a script of standard replies?

My DH worked in tele sales a few years back and they had a script to answer all of the hesitations and reasons not to buy the product his company were selling. You could get a caller display phone, see that it's your DM/ DSis/ cousin/ DM's friend's daughter and quickly turn to the right page and know exactly what you want to say to each demand/ question/ guilt trip. Would that work? Plus a few conversation-enders like 'I'll have to check that and call you back'.

That and a calendar for your availability for definite.

suzannecaravaggio · 27/02/2016 18:19

It's my gut reaction, suzanne, but I know I'd regret it
I'm not meaning to suggest that you should TheIncongruous....I can appreciate that it's different when the parent is elderly and frail

ideally go no contact with people when they are hale and hearty and at the height of their evil powers

easy to say with hindsight I know...

TheIncongruousPheasant · 27/02/2016 18:27

I'd actually got away - or away to a point that worked for me. I was living hundreds of miles away and starting a family with Dh. Rang my parents for a chat once a week. But when Dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer, I made the grave mistake of thinking that I could move back and help Mum on my own terms. Shifted back here and brought my family with me.

(I even bought Dsis's house. She was divorcing her ex but the house wouldn't sell, and she was desperate to get away, so we bought it even though it wasn't our first choice. Another mistake - the place has been a complete money pit, and when we tried to sell it a while back it languished on the market for two years before we gave up.).

Mum was only 74 at that time, and able to get around on her own, so although we had some awful carry-ons, the demands weren't constant as they are now. And she quickly took up with this friend, and he was also younger then, so happy and able to drive her around. But if I'd known that things were going to gradually creep to this stage again, I would never have come back.

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TheIncongruousPheasant · 27/02/2016 18:28

Socks, your practical solutions are excellent. I'm going to plan my responses as if I was a call centre with awkward customers. And the planner is also a good idea, although I'm sure Mum would find a way to get around it.

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TheIncongruousPheasant · 27/02/2016 18:30

I think I moved back party to maintain the fiction of having a functional family, and partly through guilt at Dsis coping alone with it all as our parents/mother got older. Dad was 80 when he died.

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