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Contraception issue...

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sjwms9 · 03/02/2016 12:46

Good morning Mumsnet! I really am at a bit of a loss with a situation at the moment that seems to have escalated an I'm not completely sure why; and really need some neutral advice on the matter, in particular a female perspective on things (apologies for making the assumption that Mumsnet is female dominated, but I suspect I probably am right).

I'm not really sure what I am upset about so I will just explain the situation and then let you guys chip your two pennies in. By no means am I saying I am right, but I will be honest about how I feel... And if how I feel is unreasonable will take that on board.

OK. Apologies for what may be a long waffle:

I am in my mid to late 20s and my girlfriend of 11 months is of similar age to myself. We actually have a great relationship (perfect) except for the last few weeks with the following issue. We current use condoms as our sole means of protection. Since we first started having sex regularly with each other she (never prompted by myself) has always (well, every month or so she drops it in conversation lol) been saying words to the effect of "Thanks for being so good about this. I know it's not normal for couples to be relying on condoms so I'll go on the pill or get the coil soon, I just haven't for this month for x, y, z reason". Fair enough...

Condoms for me are a bit of a pain, literally. Many years back I snapped my "banjo" (apologies, the actual term escapes me...), with hindsight this was probably because I was using condoms too small for me which was putting unnecessary pressure on that small strip of skin, which eventually snapped while having sex with my ex partner. After around a month of healing I could have sex again, but with a condom on the problem now was worse as essentially they no longer sit on properly. Regular size condoms essentially slide back off the end of me, probably not helped by the fact that there is now more "play" in the normal skin on my penis, meaning that every 10 to 15 seconds I have to stop and sort it out (inconvenient) and the large condoms fit better but put strain on where the banjo used to be causing pain all the way through sex. I was told by doctors to basically give it a rest for a month as I was agrivating the scar tissue, and see how things went. After 10 weeks or so the symptoms dimished again to the point we could have sex again (we did it 3 times in 10 weeks, at 20 years old!). The scar tissue is quite severe as I tore it 3 times, so another tear and it's going to be even worse to heal. At the time this was what prompted my ex-gf to get a coil as it was having a massive detrimental on my and desire to have sex and thus my confidence, which tbh is what a lot of girls find attractive in me. Without a condom there is virtually no issue of pain for me.

Eventually things didnt work out with us. And during the last 3 years of being single I have either been seeing somebody who most of the time has been on contraception herself (obviously waiting a couple of months when we have agreed we are not seeing any other people) or for more casual encounters have used a condom. As tbh one time every few weeks or so is pain i can deal with but as it is something that gets progressively worse with time. And I am getting to the point where she is noticing that I'm not quite as all over her and not quite enjoying things as much as I used too. Tbh it is a little embarassing at hasnt been a massive deal so I have dealt with it (probably should have mentioned it sooner, but didn't want to for fear of her thinking I was putting pressure on her); and as the condom "issue" was always only a few weeks away from getting round to sorting it I didn't see it escalating to this level.
Recently, I found (by accident) a positive pregnancy test. I know we have been as sensible as we could be, and that it is definitely mine (she couldn't cheat, don't ask how I know but I know lol). When I challenged her on it I was met with "there's nothing to discuss, I don't want to talk about it", when pressed that I wanted to know the situation, I was told "well I was pregnant, now I'm not. End of discussion". I know it's her body, her choice, but I would at least have liked to know what happened to what was essentially 50% mine, aborted, lost naturally? I know it at most could have only been 4 weeks but still, it has hurt me that I wasn't even informed and found out by accident... Am I right on this one or not? Either way I'm hurt and still don't know!

Last week, with the fact that condoms had recently failed, I casually asked when she planned to go on contraception like she has been mentioning; and was met with essentially "I can't go on the pill because I have been on it before and it plays with my hormones, and I can't go on IUD because I have a phobia of that and there is a chance that it could make me infertile". Fair enough, it wasn't the time to have that chat. A few days later I asked if we could have a proper sit down chat about contraception and our current situation. Nothing resolved. Next day I press again that I really want to talk about it, explaining that I understand that it is grossly unfair that she may have to go through something that could mess with her, or something that she is scared of, and that I can't force her but we really need to have a chat about things. As the only thing I can do I am doing and have done, but that has failed and there is something else I want to tell you as you should know (the pain issue, probably worth mentioning at this time that after a drink in the heat of the moment she also doesn't want me to pull out to put protection on, to the point she stops me with her legs. So since then I stop drinking so at least I'm in control later in the night as if I make a bad decision it will be 100% my fault, whether she asked me too or not and I will have to pick up the pieces for the next month).

I realise that it is grossly unfair, and I cannot force her to do anything (except talk to me so we both understand the others issues) but short of never fathering children or never having sex, which again she will interpret as an ultimatum as such, I as a man am out of options. She suggests that I just pull out everytime, something that to be honest sounds easy and I guess physically it is, but in the heat of the moment every instinct of mine is saying not too, then when I do again it just ends up ruining it for me. She says that if I bring it up again she is leaving me on the spot, that if I talk about it to anybody she will do the same, that it is NOT an issue and if I even think it is an issue that we need to break up. However I think I have a right to sit down with her like grown ups and discuss how we both feel about this situation. When asked if she would EVER change her mind, I was told point blank "no. we do not discuss this again for the rest of our lives". At this age I cannot say that I am overly thilled to say that from this day forward I will have to have sex that is painful to the point where I just don't want too. Equally, she can say that she is unwilling to take something that can effect her. A position I fully understand and respect. But on the flipside, it is my body and my choice also, if I feel I cannot physically bring myself to have sex she will also have to respect that, but I can say with the utmost certainty she will make an issue of it as she will feel I am delivering an ultimatum along the lines of "no pill, no sex"; which again isn't my intention.

I feel my main problem I feel is that she is controlling me into what I can even think and feel let alone do by refusing to discuss the issue with anybody, not just her (I am already the one taking all the precautions, ensuring that I remain sober so I don't make a mistake, despite her often requesting I do. Also I feel this is something that couples do discuss as adults. If she can completely ignore an issue and shout at me and throw a panic attack until I back down completely over this, what else in the future may she do that for? I feel literally my only option right now is accepting that I will never physically be able to enjoy sex without my girlfriend having to go through an equally if not more so unpleasant situation, or leave. I guess it is also just unfortunate that her body doesn't agree with contraception (despite being on it between 17 and 23) and mine doesn't tolerate condoms well.

Do you feel I have a right to at least put my reasons forward and warn her of the possible future implications for me. Am I right for at least requesting we sit down as grown ups and talk about it? And I would also be interested to hear your views on the pregnancy situation.
Fwiw I know this is a sensitive issue, and that men often are the bad guys in this, and that the contraception situation is unfair. Just in this instance I genuinely find using condoms regularly something from a severe annoyance through to pain so severe I cannot bring myself to do it. I fully expected the drawbridge to come up at first followed by a chat on calmer less emotionally charged terms. However, she would prefer to pretend or force me to pretend that it is not an issue.
I've confused myself and apologies for the long post, but please, I'd love some neutral opinions on this.

Thanks
Steve

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goodnightdarthvader1 · 04/02/2016 09:50

I live to serve. :)

Also loving the dripfeeds about how she behaved like a nutcase with her exes and that's how she "controlled" them - BUT everything between her and OP was ABSOLUTELY perfect! And will be perfect again once he can fuck her without a condom! Yay for good mental orgasms!

But yes, apparently I'm the goady fucker

goodnightdarthvader1 · 04/02/2016 09:53

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sjwms9 · 05/02/2016 09:01

A bit of an update here. Now I'm in a much sounder state of mind.

I raised the pregnancy issue, and why there should be nothing we can't talk about no matter how uncomfortable. She flipped and I have left. For how long I don't know... Tbh I don't really want to talk about it.

I'm not sure why I'm justifying myself. But I'm not sure why me coming on a female dominated forum asking for a neutral female perspective was a bad thing? The only other women in my life know my gf and I'm not sure I would be comfortable putting them in a position where they feel they have to pick my friendship or hers. I'm glad I did. There has been some great advice...

As for my problem. It seems that when a female talks about trouble with contraception and difficulty enjoying sex physically and mentally because of it, they are met with sympathy and understanding (as they should be!). I as a male am having similar issues and have been made to feel at best ridiculed and at worse bullied. It seems some have an attitude (no doubt us 'lads' don't help dispell it) that because we normally end up ejaculating somewhere that it all must be the same to us. For me at least, it isn't. The feeling I would imagine a girl gets during sex if say, what is at best a tight rubber band over her clit or at worse (in my case...) a cigarette being put out on it, again, I would imagine a little more understanding would be shown.

Thank you to all actual help. It's mafd me realize what I need to do.

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category12 · 05/02/2016 09:07

Femidoms.

Ellarose85 · 05/02/2016 09:29

I think you have done the right thing OP and I agree that some of the replies on here have been harsh.

Good luck with everything.

Sadmum19 · 05/02/2016 09:30

You don't need to justify yourself on here! I'm glad I don't know some of these people in real life. Hope things work out for you.

CalleighDoodle · 05/02/2016 13:20

I think you made the right decision.

JessicasRabbit · 05/02/2016 14:29

I absolutely would not use any hormonal or long term contraception again. I've tried many and don't like them. If I met someone who couldn't (or wouldn't) use condoms we'd have to split up. It is absolutely the woman's choice what she puts in to her body, and if you can't accept her decision then I don't see how you can stay with her. You don't sound like you're too attached anyway, as you're hinting that you wouldn't be with her if she was infertile.

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Gunting · 05/02/2016 15:17

I think sometimes people will consult Google for advice on their problems and as mumsnet it so vast it will throw up old threads relating to the ops problem and then they come on here too maybe?

BlondeOnATreadmill · 05/02/2016 15:21

I don't think I've ever said "Run for Hills" before, but I am saying it now.

You don't know your GF, as much as you think you do.

  1. She doesn't care that you are in pain, when you have sex.
  2. She doesn't care about your sexual enjoyment (expecting you to always pull out).
  3. She hid a pregnancy from you.
  4. She hid an abortion from you. And I am pretty sure it was a abortion. Had she suffered a miscarriage, she would have needed emotional support, she wouldn't keep it a secret.
  5. So, she's had at least 2 visits to a Hospital, behind your back. The first visit would be to get the tablet. The second visit would be to abort the baby. Then she came home you, looked you in the face, knowing that earlier that day she aborted your child.
  6. She refuses to listen to what you have to say.

It's all very bad, but number 5 would really get my blood boiling.

I'm sorry, but she sounds like a fecking Disaster.

So, that's my woman's perspective for you. GET OUT NOW.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 05/02/2016 15:57

I think sometimes people will consult Google for advice on their problems and as mumsnet it so vast it will throw up old threads relating to the ops problem and then they come on here too maybe?

Fair point, Gunting - that happens to me - but as a pregnant woman I see a link directed to a site called Mumsnet and think "Hey, that sounds like my kind of site!"

Just confused as to why a mid-20s bloke not TTC would see a site called Mumsnet and go "Yup, that looks like the site for me! This PARENTING website predominantly aimed at MOTHERS will DEFINITELY help me with my broken peen and my trying-not-become-a-father contraceptive issue!" particularly when the Relationship board is usually fairly female-dominated (ie. female posters starting threads, not male ones). OP hasn't clarified despite me asking twice (not that he owes me an answer, of course).

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 05/02/2016 16:58

What Darth said

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 05/02/2016 17:39

Does "Banjo" = Foreskin? If it does why don't you get circumcised if you have been left with a permanent issue that means you can't have safe sex without pain?

Your relationship with your girlfriend is an entirely different matter.

goodnightdarthvader1 · 05/02/2016 17:55

tread it's a small piece of skin that connects the head of the penis to the shaft. Not sure if removing the foreskin would improve the issue completely, but it might help.

Come to think of it, it will need sorting out now, since not being able to use condoms is a bit of a long-term issue now OP has split up with his girlfriend (STDs, etc).

ColdTeaAgain · 05/02/2016 18:13

I fail to understand why a condom puts pressure on your "banjo string", the tight part of the condom is at the top of your penis surely?

Anyway I'm sure OP will now find a nice reasonable gf who won't make her partner wear a condom and just do as he says. Shame on the unreasonable exgf and judgey man-hating mumsnetters Hmm

Good luck to your next gf OP, she's going to need it.

AyeAmarok · 05/02/2016 18:32

I do find it, well, interesting, shall we say, that when men post here with problems with sex in their relationship they always appear to have considered absolutely every alternative available to them and have a very, on the face of it, reasonable explanation about how all the other options won't work and that the woman is the one with all the options that will solve the problem. Then, the woman always won't do it for reasons that the OP has always been able to pull apart as not being valid because they know all of the information about the woman's individual body and medical history relating to what convenientlysuits his agenda.

Not saying this is the case here or anything

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