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Contraception issue...

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sjwms9 · 03/02/2016 12:46

Good morning Mumsnet! I really am at a bit of a loss with a situation at the moment that seems to have escalated an I'm not completely sure why; and really need some neutral advice on the matter, in particular a female perspective on things (apologies for making the assumption that Mumsnet is female dominated, but I suspect I probably am right).

I'm not really sure what I am upset about so I will just explain the situation and then let you guys chip your two pennies in. By no means am I saying I am right, but I will be honest about how I feel... And if how I feel is unreasonable will take that on board.

OK. Apologies for what may be a long waffle:

I am in my mid to late 20s and my girlfriend of 11 months is of similar age to myself. We actually have a great relationship (perfect) except for the last few weeks with the following issue. We current use condoms as our sole means of protection. Since we first started having sex regularly with each other she (never prompted by myself) has always (well, every month or so she drops it in conversation lol) been saying words to the effect of "Thanks for being so good about this. I know it's not normal for couples to be relying on condoms so I'll go on the pill or get the coil soon, I just haven't for this month for x, y, z reason". Fair enough...

Condoms for me are a bit of a pain, literally. Many years back I snapped my "banjo" (apologies, the actual term escapes me...), with hindsight this was probably because I was using condoms too small for me which was putting unnecessary pressure on that small strip of skin, which eventually snapped while having sex with my ex partner. After around a month of healing I could have sex again, but with a condom on the problem now was worse as essentially they no longer sit on properly. Regular size condoms essentially slide back off the end of me, probably not helped by the fact that there is now more "play" in the normal skin on my penis, meaning that every 10 to 15 seconds I have to stop and sort it out (inconvenient) and the large condoms fit better but put strain on where the banjo used to be causing pain all the way through sex. I was told by doctors to basically give it a rest for a month as I was agrivating the scar tissue, and see how things went. After 10 weeks or so the symptoms dimished again to the point we could have sex again (we did it 3 times in 10 weeks, at 20 years old!). The scar tissue is quite severe as I tore it 3 times, so another tear and it's going to be even worse to heal. At the time this was what prompted my ex-gf to get a coil as it was having a massive detrimental on my and desire to have sex and thus my confidence, which tbh is what a lot of girls find attractive in me. Without a condom there is virtually no issue of pain for me.

Eventually things didnt work out with us. And during the last 3 years of being single I have either been seeing somebody who most of the time has been on contraception herself (obviously waiting a couple of months when we have agreed we are not seeing any other people) or for more casual encounters have used a condom. As tbh one time every few weeks or so is pain i can deal with but as it is something that gets progressively worse with time. And I am getting to the point where she is noticing that I'm not quite as all over her and not quite enjoying things as much as I used too. Tbh it is a little embarassing at hasnt been a massive deal so I have dealt with it (probably should have mentioned it sooner, but didn't want to for fear of her thinking I was putting pressure on her); and as the condom "issue" was always only a few weeks away from getting round to sorting it I didn't see it escalating to this level.
Recently, I found (by accident) a positive pregnancy test. I know we have been as sensible as we could be, and that it is definitely mine (she couldn't cheat, don't ask how I know but I know lol). When I challenged her on it I was met with "there's nothing to discuss, I don't want to talk about it", when pressed that I wanted to know the situation, I was told "well I was pregnant, now I'm not. End of discussion". I know it's her body, her choice, but I would at least have liked to know what happened to what was essentially 50% mine, aborted, lost naturally? I know it at most could have only been 4 weeks but still, it has hurt me that I wasn't even informed and found out by accident... Am I right on this one or not? Either way I'm hurt and still don't know!

Last week, with the fact that condoms had recently failed, I casually asked when she planned to go on contraception like she has been mentioning; and was met with essentially "I can't go on the pill because I have been on it before and it plays with my hormones, and I can't go on IUD because I have a phobia of that and there is a chance that it could make me infertile". Fair enough, it wasn't the time to have that chat. A few days later I asked if we could have a proper sit down chat about contraception and our current situation. Nothing resolved. Next day I press again that I really want to talk about it, explaining that I understand that it is grossly unfair that she may have to go through something that could mess with her, or something that she is scared of, and that I can't force her but we really need to have a chat about things. As the only thing I can do I am doing and have done, but that has failed and there is something else I want to tell you as you should know (the pain issue, probably worth mentioning at this time that after a drink in the heat of the moment she also doesn't want me to pull out to put protection on, to the point she stops me with her legs. So since then I stop drinking so at least I'm in control later in the night as if I make a bad decision it will be 100% my fault, whether she asked me too or not and I will have to pick up the pieces for the next month).

I realise that it is grossly unfair, and I cannot force her to do anything (except talk to me so we both understand the others issues) but short of never fathering children or never having sex, which again she will interpret as an ultimatum as such, I as a man am out of options. She suggests that I just pull out everytime, something that to be honest sounds easy and I guess physically it is, but in the heat of the moment every instinct of mine is saying not too, then when I do again it just ends up ruining it for me. She says that if I bring it up again she is leaving me on the spot, that if I talk about it to anybody she will do the same, that it is NOT an issue and if I even think it is an issue that we need to break up. However I think I have a right to sit down with her like grown ups and discuss how we both feel about this situation. When asked if she would EVER change her mind, I was told point blank "no. we do not discuss this again for the rest of our lives". At this age I cannot say that I am overly thilled to say that from this day forward I will have to have sex that is painful to the point where I just don't want too. Equally, she can say that she is unwilling to take something that can effect her. A position I fully understand and respect. But on the flipside, it is my body and my choice also, if I feel I cannot physically bring myself to have sex she will also have to respect that, but I can say with the utmost certainty she will make an issue of it as she will feel I am delivering an ultimatum along the lines of "no pill, no sex"; which again isn't my intention.

I feel my main problem I feel is that she is controlling me into what I can even think and feel let alone do by refusing to discuss the issue with anybody, not just her (I am already the one taking all the precautions, ensuring that I remain sober so I don't make a mistake, despite her often requesting I do. Also I feel this is something that couples do discuss as adults. If she can completely ignore an issue and shout at me and throw a panic attack until I back down completely over this, what else in the future may she do that for? I feel literally my only option right now is accepting that I will never physically be able to enjoy sex without my girlfriend having to go through an equally if not more so unpleasant situation, or leave. I guess it is also just unfortunate that her body doesn't agree with contraception (despite being on it between 17 and 23) and mine doesn't tolerate condoms well.

Do you feel I have a right to at least put my reasons forward and warn her of the possible future implications for me. Am I right for at least requesting we sit down as grown ups and talk about it? And I would also be interested to hear your views on the pregnancy situation.
Fwiw I know this is a sensitive issue, and that men often are the bad guys in this, and that the contraception situation is unfair. Just in this instance I genuinely find using condoms regularly something from a severe annoyance through to pain so severe I cannot bring myself to do it. I fully expected the drawbridge to come up at first followed by a chat on calmer less emotionally charged terms. However, she would prefer to pretend or force me to pretend that it is not an issue.
I've confused myself and apologies for the long post, but please, I'd love some neutral opinions on this.

Thanks
Steve

OP posts:
ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 03/02/2016 16:13

What can you do? Nothing. You're in a relationship with an emotionally abusive, controlling woman. The only advice I can give is to get out.

CalleighDoodle · 03/02/2016 16:20

She keeps things from you, and major things like a pregnancy.
You know she hasnt cheated but wont say how. Suggests youre checking up on her.
Youve had unprotected sex with other women previously. When was your last STI / HiV check?
You cant communicate as a couple.

You should end the relationship. It is clearly not good.

sjwms9 · 03/02/2016 16:45

She claims I'm the one bullying her though. Then I apologize when she completely loses it, and pretend it wasn't a big deal. To be honest I did push the idea of the IUD as non hormonal, but she claims that she cannot have it as it is too great of a risk to her. I know she has had issues with her ovaries before but she has never really told me when I asked (I guess I want kids one day, I'd kinda like to know if there is chance that can't happen now rather than 5 years time) so I guess I didn't believe her. And got annoyed that essentially we are risking pregnancy, and have the worry every month, because she has a phobia... The same phobia stopped her getting it investigated fully.

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Ellarose85 · 03/02/2016 16:55

She claims I'm the one bullying her though

Because she is manipulating you and minimising her behaviour.

Everything you are saying makes me believe further that she is trying to get pregnant.

sjwms9 · 03/02/2016 16:56

Calleighdoodle. I see what you are saying but the other issues have been discussed. I have had lots of unprotected sex with a few previous partners, and a few mistakes as a younger man (boy tbh) but I know we are both clean.

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sjwms9 · 03/02/2016 17:06

Again no excuses but she claims I'm an 'insensitive prick' for going behind her back and researching the IUD as I am meddling with her and its her body, her choice, no discussion... I know its totally unfair, but for me ignoring the pain issue, I literary have one option which has failed. I even said if she felt it unfair I would consider still using condoms too while (sharing responsibility too then, again I am not saying in this or indeed most circumstances the reduced enjoyment from condom use is on A par to hormones). I still feel an IUD would work and that her GP is offering outdated advice. I contacted a family friend of my mums who is a doctor specializing in female fertility issues) who assured me she could count on the fingers of one hand the number of cases where a copper coil would be actually known to be harmful beforehand to the extent my gf is making out. My gf cited the NHS website which 1 in a 100 women get an infection, to which I responded that my mums friend has said 'and of that 1% less than 5% are bad enough to the point it cannot be used'. I thought informing myself more was a good idea. I was told this was 'going behind her back and the worse thing I've ever done)

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LidikaLikes · 03/02/2016 17:52

If she doesn't want an IUD that's her choice. But shouting, screaming and being like a banshee is not appropriate for a grown woman.

I think it's good you're looking at other options, and if condoms are causing you pain then that's not fair.

Is she a PITA about other life choices - work, holidays, money etc?

Sadmum19 · 03/02/2016 18:10

Most women would be very happy with a man who has a shared approach to contraception. At the end of the day, her body is hers and yours is yours but the sex involves the two of you so it has to work for both. Is she difficult about other things?

MatrixReloaded · 03/02/2016 18:14

Goodnightdarthvader do you generally speak to people like that ? The only goady fucker on this thread is you.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 03/02/2016 18:27

You have two issues here OP. Firstly, you may want to press your GP into a referral for possible plastic surgery. This is for you, for the long term, not for your GF.

Secondly, your GF sounds like bad news to me. From your description of her behaviour she sounds completely self absorbed and with very little understanding that you are a real person. Yes, she can be fun and lovely when she is having all her needs met, but if she isn't she becomes controlling and abusive, with no regard for you, and accuses you of being the abuser.

My DBil was married to a woman like this and it didn't end well. You are young and you have no ties with this woman. Consider cutting your losses and finding someone else.

singlemumbelfast · 03/02/2016 18:59

Where has she got the idea that an iud causes infertility? That's just a myth not a fact

Maybe talk to her about reconsidering the coil. Or the copper coil which doesn't doesn't use any hormones

Isetan · 03/02/2016 19:41

OP WTAF are you doing? Whatever your gf's issues are, you didn't cause them and you can't fix them.

You're both displaying a distinct lack of maturity about this whole issue. Yes, ultimately with regards to her contraception choices and pregnancy, it is her body and therefore her choice. Just like it is your choice, to continue putting part of your body into her.

This is not a relationship to bring children into, planned or unplanned, so start using contraception or stop having sex. You do have a choice and by practicing unsafe sex, you're making a poor one.

Aussiebean · 03/02/2016 20:40

Go forward ten years and imagine your life with 'the one'

Do you imagine being with someone who refuses to talk to you about medical issues? Issues that will effect both of you in the PARTNERSHIP you have created.

And within this PARTNERSHIP, Can you see the love and attention given to you when you have come off your bike and broken your leg and you are bed ridden for 6 weeks? You know, when you will be really boring?

You are not a PARTNERSHIP, because she won't included you in areas that affect you both.

Having a baby is a massive deal, (financially as well as emotionally) and you should be part of the decision.

'The one' would include you in that.

AyeAmarok · 03/02/2016 21:20

I know she has had issues with her ovaries before but she has never really told me when I asked (I guess I want kids one day, I'd kinda like to know if there is chance that can't happen now rather than 5 years time)

Hang on. Can you explain what you mean by this? If she has problems with her ovaries then you want to know it now? Why?

UterusUterusGhali · 03/02/2016 22:05

I'd leave her simply for the fact that she won't discuss her pregnancy with you.

You should go back to your GP and get a referral about the frenulum issue. (Banjo string)
My ex snapped his similarly and it was fine (better even) afterwards. It shouldn't still be hurting. Is there keloid scarring?

sjwms9 · 03/02/2016 22:11

. I dont know where to start.

To.the immediate post above. I know a few years back she had to go hospital a few times, but stopped going as whatever the problem was calmed down. She never had them looked st through pinhole camera due to her phobia (which I would imagine the main part of the copper coil objection is. But i guess i'd like kids one day and i wouldlike to know if there is potential we may find conceiving difficult now rather than 5 years time when I'll be in way too deep. If she does not know what the problem was how can her GP say it is dangerous? Also she tells me that the doc does not recommend for women without children. Something I know from previous partners and research is not true. when I say 'but I asked my friend of friend who specialises in this, she said?' That's when my gf really went mental... Her body her choice. Fair enough, and as I've said, I accept that more often than not the burden eventually falls on the woman but in this instance a few days of discomfort for her is a more desirable situation than pregnancy. I, as a man, have far more limited options (the second they invent a pill for men I will take it!), which seem to have failed.

On other issues she is actually great, we talk, we decide, we execute. Hence my surprise that she went so nuts at this! And even more surprised that a few weeks layer she still refused to talk.

To be honest. The majority of the time she just throws a strop, apologizes the next day and makes up for it. I was expecting her to do the same this time. The explosion weeks later was what shocked me!

To be fair, I haven't brought up my issue. But this was because the pill has always been on the horizon, so the issue was in my head unlikely to be long term. I'm now actually scared to bring up my issue, but I've never had a chance to.sit and discuss properly!

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sjwms9 · 03/02/2016 22:19

The scar doesn't look too bad but is very long. It's only on direct contact that it is sensitive. Something like a tongue (....) Is fine, and not an issue, but sex with s condom feels like a cigarette Is being placed on it. Doctor suggests I'm just unlucky its on a very nerve dense area.

If I get plastic surgery, like my recent surgery. I ewill get her opinion and, although the final choice is mine, I'll agree what's going to happen and follow through. She refuses to discuss...

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ouryve · 03/02/2016 22:22

If she can't discuss contraception with you, rationally, after a relationship of almost a year, I doubt if she ever will. Your relationship honestly doesn't sound like a goer.

wickedlazy · 03/02/2016 22:42

I agree it sounds like she wants to get pregnant. She's been feeding you a load of bullshit excuses and when you did some research and called her on it she was pissed. What she's doing is manipulative, and you need to have a good think do you want this woman to be the mother of your children?

Ignore the troll hunters btw, most of us try to give the benefit of the doubt, or report.

ColdTeaAgain · 03/02/2016 22:42

It's almost as if she feels 'her body' her choice' means 'her body, her choice, zero discussion and man has to be completely happy with it'.

"Man" has to be happy with it? Didn't you mean "you" have to be happy with it? Since you specifically talking about you and your gf?

....just an interesting way you've phrased that there....almost as though you are generalising....

AyeAmarok · 03/02/2016 22:45

Okay. First I'll say your paragraph about how you want kids one day and if she turns out to not be able to give you any then you want to know now before you're "in too deep" is just fucking awful. So much for "I think she's the one". Unless she has infertility, then you want to know so you can find someone who isn't a failure? Hmm You want her to investigate whatever these (private, medical, and none of your fucking business) issues are so you can decide whether you want to waste any more time with her?

Separately, the IUD. I would not get one. Absolutely not. Wouldn't even consider it. Heard too many horror stories (from friends) and I just wouldn't do it. If my DP had researched it for me despite me saying I was not getting one, in order to persuade me otherwise, I'd probably dump him. Luckily he would never because he's not a twat. They can be painful, uncomfortable, it's a very personally invasive procedure to have one fitted, and can cause constant bleeding. I have friends who have had these issues so these aren't Internet horror stories. You pushing that agenda makes you a dick.

Look, you don't seem to much like or respect your GF. You can't communicate like adults. You wouldn't want to be in a relationship with her if it turned out she couldn't have kids. Just go your separate ways and do each other a favour.

MatrixReloaded · 03/02/2016 23:18

Your a young man. Why settle for someone who won't communicate / has strops / admits to controlling and bullying her ex ?

She IS trying to get pregnant. She actively prevents you from pulling out. A woman who didn't want to get pregnant wouldn't take the risk of casual condom use . Considering she hasn't discussed this with you it's clear what your opinion means.

I'd run away. Find someone who can communicate like an adult.

Smorgasboard · 03/02/2016 23:43

Are you for real? Is this a real situation even? The snapped frenulum as a reason condoms 'fail', does not add up! The idea that a person could claim to be happy to continue to have a functioning on every other level relationship, with someone who may have aborted their baby without discussion! What even is that? She may or may not have aborted your baby, but you are only bothered that the condoms hurt and if that is sorted then the rest is hunkydori?
You just happened on a positive test result - yes as girls leave something that important laying around to be found.This situation is laughable, and if it is real then the first issue about your frenulum, which you went on about at length, is the least of the problem. Total communication breakdown, I fail to believe that all other communication on other subjects can be as normal as you claim.

AyeAmarok · 04/02/2016 00:48

Quite, Smorgasboard.

I think we need DarthVader to come back and do the "Willy Wonka face" again.

AyeAmarok · 04/02/2016 00:49

Quite, Smorgasboard.

I think we need DarthVader to come back and do the "Willy Wonka face" again.