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Really upset - my fucking mother :(

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ofuckit · 01/02/2016 11:53

Sorry may be a long one. Have just had a nasty argument with DM. We were talking on the phone about Terry Wogan and that turned into talking about the afterlife.

I am a non-believer and said something to that effect, then DM said basically it must be true because what about the psychic she saw once who was really accurate. Now the backstory is that my dad died when I was a teenager. We used to argue a lot just before he died - all normal teen girl/dad stuff, him not wanting me to stay out late, boys, make up, etc etc! The last time I had seen him I had been sulking and he had said something like 'Don't bother saying bye then!" and I had said something like "no stuff you, I won't" or something equally charming. Then he had died suddenly a few hours later :( :( I still feel guilty about that.

After he died I went off the rails somewhat. Had a v dodgy (and v abusive) boyfriend, got into debts, drugs, various things I'm still ashamed of. But eventually left him (with the help of the Police after he hurt me v badly), and within a few years was in a good, healthy relationship (have been married for years now), paid off debts, have a lovely home, lovely life & lovely DC. All good :)

A few years ago my mum went to see a 'psychic'. She told me she was fantastic and wanted me to hear the tape of the session. I was interested so did, and it really upset me. On it the 'psychic' basically said my dad was ashamed of me and I needed to grown up, get over him and start taking responsibility for my own life. By this time I had sorted my life out, was happily married and had just had a lovely new baby. So it really upset me that my dad was supposedly looking down at me, ignoring all the good stuff and telling me that I was shit. I don't believe all that really, but it still really upset me, and I was also really upset that my mum had apparently wanted me to hear it.

So anyway back to today. I said to my mum I hoped the psychic wasn't 'really accurate' because it would be pretty shit if the last thing my dad had wanted to say to me was that he was ashamed of me. Her response was "Well what do you expect - the last thing you ever said to him was pretty shitty wasn't it!".

So now I feel shit about it all over again. And it appears my mother (who for years told me it was normal dad/daughter stuff and I shouldn't feel guilty), does think I was to blame and wants me to feel shit all over again :( Why though? I have daughters. I would never want to say anything so fucking horrible to them. Maybe she really just doesn't like me very much.

Sorry this is so long btw.

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ofuckit · 01/02/2016 12:58

Wheel funny you should say that. Not only did she not offer help and support at the time, but there were a few occasions where she witnessed my ex being abusive to me and she literally just walked away Sad. The last time she was there when he freaked out at me she had a phone call from the police a few hours later (as my next of kin) as he had carried on attacking me and I was in a right state Sad.

I've thought about that a lot, and talked to DH about it a lot. And neither of us can understand how she could have done that. I'm not a big strong person, actually I'm quite feeble, but if anybody, no matter how big or strong, was attacking my child I would go fucking mental, and could never just walk away.

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PosieReturningParker · 01/02/2016 13:00

Wow. She doesn't really blame you, it's grief, anger and winning the argument that made her say it. Probably easier to vent at you than deal with grief.

This is your life OP, forgive yourself and don't give others permission to make you feel guilty about something that is normal, crappy and in the past.

Mothers wear their children's behaviour and mistakes, I know I do sometimes, but it isn't good for anyone. xxxx

ofuckit · 01/02/2016 13:00

Ha ha 314 I love your last bit Grin Thank you for making me laugh Smile

I would love to have the balls to say that to her Grin

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PosieReturningParker · 01/02/2016 13:01

Cross posted.

She's just nasty and toxic then? Weird jealousy thing going on.

there's lots of literature about this mother/daughter thing.

Viviennemary · 01/02/2016 13:10

If she wants to believe in this psychic let her. Refuse to listen to anything to do with psychics. These ones who claim to contact the dead are dangerous and prey on vulnerable gullible folk. It really isn't on that she is bring ing up all this stuff from the past and upsetting you. Notyhing good ever comes of this which is why many people including me disapprove of it. But your Mum has issues and that's why she's turning to this. I agree that your Dad would be nothing but pleased and proud that you were doing well.

ImperialBlether · 01/02/2016 13:13

I hope I'm a normal mum. I would love to see my daughter dancing like that with a man she loved. I would absolutely love it and would be so glad she had someone she loved by her side. If I'd lost my husband I might envy that, but I wouldn't wish she didn't have it. It might make me think, "I need to move on and get that kind of relationship myself" but I wouldn't walk off and sulk for a fortnight.

By the way, you shouldn't have kept sending her messages. It just feeds her drama and sense of entitlement. Once you know she's alive and just sulking, send a message, "Let me know when you're up for a chat" and then leave it. She'll come round a lot quicker than if you keep messaging her.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 01/02/2016 13:13

I think it is a jealousy thing. You still have a husband and she lost hers and that wasn't fair.

Also perhaps a really warped way of trying to protect you.

She sees you happy with dh and thinks you have no idea how terrible it would be to lose him. Better to be more distant and get less hurt.

That said, it's fucked up. She need counselling not a psychic.

Sorry for your loss OPFlowers

ImperialBlether · 01/02/2016 13:14

You could always say, "Oh mum, don't leave the house tomorrow, will you? I've seen a psychic who says if you do, you're going to die a long, slow, horrible death. Better stay in." See whether she thinks you're being reasonable passing on that message!

314Chart · 01/02/2016 13:18

Interesting. You're getting offers of help, but with a very large side order of ''you must respect my right to judge you".

That is precisely how my parents have made me feel this last week.

banox · 01/02/2016 13:20

It's awful isn't it when a person who is supposed to love us most seems to go out of their way to hurt us. I have a mother who also seems to dislike me achieving anything - including happiness. Sometimes, when life is tough, I find myself crying inside "I want my Mum" - and I do, just not the Mum I have, I want one who sees a "good" me, not an "awful" me.

It's her OP, not you. You sound lovely, and I wish you much happiness.

shinynewusername · 01/02/2016 13:23

Fake your own death then get a psychic to tell her what a cow she was to you in your last conversation together...

OK, not really, but she is being ridiculous. We can't spend our whole lives never having a cross word in case the other person drops down dead.

spanky2 · 01/02/2016 13:25

No can of worms. You are seeing your mum's personality and your relationship clearly. Now you have seen you can protect yourself from her digs.

ShmooBooMoo · 01/02/2016 13:25

Psychics = charlatan... every single one of them, so don't concern yourself with what they said! They prey on people's vulnerabilities and desperation. They learn how to read people, pick up on cues etc... It's all lies!
The more worrying thing is your mother who is supposed to love you! Her comments to you are reprehensible! Shame on her!
What teen doesn't rebel at some point, and say a few things to their parents that they come to regret? I'm sure your dad would be incredibly proud of the woman you have become, and would in no way be ashamed of you. Don't let some scam artist / your mother's words upset you! Flowers

spanky2 · 01/02/2016 13:26

Banox, me too! It's my dad too. He's vile and cruel too.

LaContessaDiPlump · 01/02/2016 13:26

Another voice saying jealousy. Thanks to you op, it's horrible when your parent acts like a nasty vindictive twat.

314Chart · 01/02/2016 13:28

ps

I also think the recent conflicts in my relationship with my parents have come from my being LESS dependent on them. Or, trying to bring about measures that will make me less dependent on them in the future. Eg, wanting to work a bit further afield (than my home town) so that I can earn more, run a decent reliable car... They talk me out of these things, and they come at me like it's a court case, united in their strong case to dissuade me from what it was I'd hoped (pathetically) to win their approval for.

I am really having to get used to not reacting to their negativity with REASON. This has been my mistake in the past because it uses up my energy, it confuses me and makes me doubt myself, it perpetuates their belief that I do still need their approval, and it creates drama and argument that I'm held responsible for. So, I have given advice here but believe me I'm struggling to take my own advice with this last para.

LaContessaDiPlump · 01/02/2016 13:29

I find myself crying inside "I want my Mum" - and I do, just not the Mum I have

banox - YES, this, 100 times this!

My mum died 2 years ago and I now have the freedom to get close to older female mother-type figures in my life, such as one of her old friends and my aunt (her sister). I couldn't before as I always felt terribly worried about how jealous my mother would be if she found out. So in an odd way, my mother's death has given me the chance to have a better, more motherly relationship with others - the kind I wanted from her in the first place.

314Chart · 01/02/2016 13:29

I went to a medium years ago with a friend and he told her the biggest load of bullshit. That her Dad wondered where she was when he died. Why could he not have said that her Dad sensed she was on her way. Asshole.

pocketsaviour · 01/02/2016 13:30

What an awful, cruel thing to do you your own child.

Feel free to come and join us on the Stately Homes thread. Fellow survivors of crappy parenting hang out there and support each other :)

ofuckit · 01/02/2016 13:32

[Flowers] (again!) 314

That sounds really hard to deal with. I struggle with that too. I try to reason/argue with DM and she resorts to being nasty & hurtful if she's not winning, like today. I definitely need to learn to smile and nod, and ignore. DH tells me that all the time. Easier said than done though, as you know.

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ofuckit · 01/02/2016 13:33

oops! They were meant to be real flowers Grin

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ofuckit · 01/02/2016 13:34

pocket thank you - I think I will do that.

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ineedabodytransplant · 01/02/2016 13:59

I'm the dad to two grown up girls (well, women now but still my girls). Crikey did they give me grief Grin But I don't look back with bitterness.

Just to say that your toxic mother is spouting utter shite. As said upthread the 'psychics' are all charlatans. If I was a psychic the first 'dead' person I spoke to would be someone who had died and left a loooot of money hidden somewhere. Then I could give up lying to people. Win win

step away from the toxic 'mother'

ineedabodytransplant · 01/02/2016 14:01

Sorry, don't know if I made it clear with my 'looking back with bitterness' but I can't see any father worthy of the name being ashamed or embarrassed by his children being normal teenagers etc.
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ofuckit · 01/02/2016 14:06

Thank you ineed. You brought a tear to my eye (in a good way Smile)

I wasn't even that bad as a teenager, actually, just a bit of a snotty little madam Grin.

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