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Just HOW do I protect my kids?!

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flowerlily · 21/01/2016 17:55

I name changed for this. I'm at my wits end and need advice please.

I fled an emotionally and physiologically abusive relationship two years ago. I never reported the incidents leading up to that day when I feared for my life and I never reported the incident that occurred that day, when I genuinely feared for my safety.

My three children were witness to the unprovoked verbal attack in which my ex threatened to end my life. There was lots of shouting, and at my children were screaming. At first chance, with my kids in tow, we ran out of the house. I never went back after that day. But because I stupidly never reported the incident at the time, when I tried to get full custody of my children, they said there was no proof that these events occurred, and that it wouldn't stand up in court. I was refused legal aid and advised that even with all the money in the world, without evidence that my ex was an unfit partner, he would not be refused custody.

Months went by. We had a shared informal custody agreement of 50/50. I was never OK with it but as we both have Parental responsibility, and he was over powering, I could not do anything about this.

His treatment of the children are appalling. He is verbally and emotionally abusive towards them. Calls them names, swears at them, belittles them and they have confessed to 'learning how to behave so dad doesn't loose his temper with us'. It breaks my heart.

Ive contacted Social services 3 times now. They are not interested as he hasn't hit them and because the only way I can ensure they are safe, is by going for full custody. I know this, but I have no case. Even with all the evidence.

Families First were involved briefly at my request. Again, they did not even interview my children!! I was so let down.

A threat of violence was made towards my eldest last month. I reported this incident with the police. They said that he hasn't actually committed a crime. Therefore the best they can do is log it and refer me to Social Services.

SS have called to say there is nothing they can do to help! They will put me in touch with Families first again.

I feel so let down by the system. I have informed the Doctor, Schools, SS, FF, Police. Been to Citizens Advice, Family Law and various other organisations.

I've hit a brick wall. I feel like I am fighting this on my own. I thought prevention was the best thing? Why are they waiting for something bad to happen before they do anything?

My kids love their dad. They are also very scared of him. They want to stay with me and for their dad to 'get help and be nicer to them'. My ex will not be reasoned with. I've exhausted every option with him. He will not listen to anyone. He doesn't think he is in the wrong.

I've told him he can not have the children until he addresses his anger issues etc.. He said no chance, he'll be picking them up as normal. I have had to arrange to pick my children up early every day from school just so I get there before him. This just isn't right or sustainable.

What steps can I take next. I'm so drained and feel deflated and cheated.

Sorry for poor spelling and grammar. I'm just so tired.

Thanks in advance

OP posts:
Chillyegg · 21/01/2016 19:51

Apologies if you already have?

flowerlily · 21/01/2016 19:52

No Chillyegg I haven't but will look into it. Thank you

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Fourormore · 21/01/2016 19:55

Then you may well qualify for a fee exemption if you're going to claim benefits. I hope things improve, it sounds awful.

Toffeelatteplease · 21/01/2016 19:57

What can you do?

Ime not a lot until one of the children ends up in a&e and still not an awful lot then.

flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:01

Fourmore. It is so so awful. I've always worked and struggling financially on top of all this is making things worse. Apparently I still don't qualify for legal aid.

I won't be claiming as am actively looking for work.

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flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:03

Toffee.. it seems you are right. Feel so let down by the system. Then you pick up the newspaper with some tragic and preventable death of a child and all the authorities are flapping about saying they should have done more etc. Damn right

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FannyTheChampionOfTheWorld · 21/01/2016 20:06

Are you certain you don't qualify for legal aid? If you've no money coming in and only 75p in your bank, I can't see how you'd be over either the income or savings thresholds? Might be worth asking for a second opinion.

Fourormore · 21/01/2016 20:07

Legal aid is separate from fee exemption. For legal aid you need proof of DV. You don't need that for fee exemption.

FannyTheChampionOfTheWorld · 21/01/2016 20:10

Also OP you can still claim income based benefits if you're actively looking for work. That's what income based JSA is. Then you'd be passported for legal aid income eligibility purposes.

flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:17

Thanks guys that really helps. My head is just spinning. I feel like I just need someone at my side to go through it with me. It's so difficult trying to pay bills, keep up with homework, emotionally support the kids and look for world. .to name a few. But your advice is giving me some hope again

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flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:17

*work

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MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 21/01/2016 20:19

Well if you'd aired your concerns in court then cafcass would have been appointed. I don't understand that bit?

Did you state concerns?
Did you have a solicitor? McKenzie friend?

The fact you were unaware of who cafcass were makes me a bit Hmm about this to be honest.

flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:21

I never said I went to court? I can not afford to

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flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:21

Mckenzie friends are useless

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MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 21/01/2016 20:22

Actually re reading your op it says contact is informal. You both created the agenda together?

Does he ever not turn up for contact?

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 21/01/2016 20:22

You say you feel let down by the system but you haven't been to court Confused
Family courts are the system. Children's services are not there to settle contact disputes. I don't doubt he is abusive but your first point of call is the family court. Once you have been through that system, then make comments about whether the system has let you down or not.

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 21/01/2016 20:23

Then stop contact. Inform him due to his abuse he's to take it to court

Fourormore · 21/01/2016 20:25

It sounds like the OP was misadvised to be tbh. The family courts do take into account things that social services won't bother with.

If the OP stops contact she runs the risk of coming across as unreasonable if the court can't find in her favour due to lack of evidence.

flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:26

Actually I have tried on numerous occasions with the family law centres. They said I need pay the fees (which I cannot afford) and I do not qualify for legal aid.

Also. Family law centre (mckenzie froends) said that despite my case, it will almost certainly not hold up in court as no act of violence has been committed. He said I run the risk of my ex getting more custody than me if not half. I kid you not. I was speechless.

So yes. I feel let down

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flowerlily · 21/01/2016 20:29

Mumontherun. .. how do you expect I can do that??? He has as much rights over the children as I do at the moment. He will not listen to me regarding contact. Aside from keeping them prisoners in their home and never sending them to school, I don't see how I can prevent him seeing them!!

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0dfod · 21/01/2016 20:34

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springydaffs · 21/01/2016 20:36

Really feel for you. I hope you find a way Flowers

0dfod · 21/01/2016 20:38

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ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 21/01/2016 20:38

Who advised you that he might get more than 50%?

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 21/01/2016 20:41

No he actually has NO rights over the children. Neither of you do. It's the DC who have the rights.

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