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What on earth just happenned?

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ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 14:04

Sorry if this is long, I will try and put as few words as I can to get the tale across but just feel so blindsided by this person I can't understand why anyone would do this.

I met him online but I didn't really fancy him and liked someone else so we never met. I ended up seeing someone else. He was always sending me messages though, and quite often phoned too and we became quite friendly and got to know each other paltonically quite well. We told all our past relationship stories and about our jobs and friends and lives and sent photos from our holidays and this went on for about a year.

He was such a nice guy, and all the way through he would be saying things like, “hey, wouldn’t it be great to take a trip away for the day to the beach together” and to be honest the reason I never wanted to meet him was that I felt he would like me a lot more than I liked him and didn't want to break his heart as he seemed so lovely.

Then after about 11 months of us getting to know each other, I had a really bad day one day a few weeks after I'd had a split, and he caught me at a weak moment and he offered to come over to help me set up my new smart TV. We ended up having a bottle of wine and ended up in bed.

To my suprise we got on very well and there was lots of attraction and he seemed so keen and I liked him back so all of a sudden we were some sort of item. Right off the bat he was extremely attentive, kind, and available any time for me and he invited me as his date to his work party and then once more as his date to a dinner with his friends and it felt very much like things were going fantastically.

Then all of a sudden he changes. One day he is all over me and can’t wait to talk or see me and no obstacle is big enough…then 3 or 4 days passes and I hear nothing and get quite one-word answers and suddenly he is "tired" or his phone battery was flat or there is always an excuse.

I can see from online sources and various other things that he is just at home on his own, but he is also online a lot, and clearly chatting to someone else and I feel my stomach sink because all his behavior points to something funny going on but I almost just can't believe he would do that to me.

So I tolerated that for all of about two weeks, then called the whole thing off. I told him his strange behavior wasn’t acceptable for me, and that he obviously wasn’t that into me and to forget the whole thing.

But he won't let me go really, he is upset and tells me I have read it completely wrong and that he has only created distance as he felt we were falling in love and he needed time to adjust. So we get back together, but he continues doing the same thing even thought he knew it upset me the first time. Worse also, all the amazing dates he promised me come to zero. All he ever wants to do is come to my place so I feel like just sex to him.

When I point that out he says he is very hurt and how could I think I was just sex to him. So, I end it again because all this is screaming at me as red flags.

But I felt so absolutely conflicted and guilty for splitting up with him. I genuinely felt like he might be completely innocent and that I was causing all the problems myself and so I am very up and down and feeling completely confused and upset.

Then after doubting myself for two months, I found out he actually had been speaking with other women whilst seeing me and I am fuming angry so confront him saying it’s obvious the hot and cold behavior wasn't because of his “deep feelings for me” but because he had more than one girl going at the same time.

He admits it and says he is very sorry and he shows all the signs of genuine remorse and explains that he likes me a lot, much more than he expected to before we met and that he is very scared of real intimacy with someone as he has been so badly hurt once before he doesn't like to lose control or feel like someone has the power to hurt him. So he says he knows he spoiled things and has ruined his own happiness as well as mine.

I was very angry and didn't speak to him for weeks, but slowly we started to talk again and he told me he's miserable, that he misses me, that he didn't like any of the other girls at all but he was just being stupid. I am very skeptical but notice that he's never online, he doesn't go to the dating websites (I can see all this) and so I feel he might be being genuine.

He asks me for another chance, and I tell him all right, but let's take it very slowly. We discuss his fear of getting close and decide we will make things casual with no pressure on us and just have a few dates and see where it goes. He tells me that he will absolutely never again chat to other girls, or go strange and cold on me and that he has learned from his mistake and wants to just see what happens with us.

So after sorting through this by phone over a few weeks, I feel ready for us to meet up again. We go away for a lovely weekend that he's planned and he's put so much effort into it and spends the whole time being really close and sharing his emotions and all about his childhood and everything and I am (fucking idiot) sitting there thinking we are obviously on track now and everything will be wonderful.

He drops me home after a lovely weekend and then spends a few hours after he leaves messaging me what a lovely time he had all all that nice stuff and I am (fucking idiot) walking on air because it feels really right this time.

The he drops off the face of the earth. And all of a sudden he is back on dating websites within 24 hours (I can see he's logged on as I was checking) and worse still, he is permanently online so obviously talking to other girls again!!!!!!

I'm heartbroken. He just seemed so absolutely genuine I can't understand it. And I know he will message me again in a few days like nothing has happenned (he always did this before) and I have no idea what to do or say.

What on earth would posess an adult to behave in such a way? Is he a psychopath or something?

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Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 18:46

There's no analysing to be done here.
He wanted to win you / have sex with you / whatever.
He's not a psychopath - he's just not a nice person.

We've all made mistakes but bloody hell OP I was dizzy at the end of that! Just how many times did you take him back?!

I've said this before on here and I'll no doubt say it again...

Funny how these fear of intimacy types manage to swallow that fear long enough to have sex, hey?

Make it a hard and fast RULE, never to sleep with someone who claims to have intimacy issues.

If you find the 1 in a million who genuinely does, let them come back to you when they've had professional counselling.

Otherwise - tell them to fuck off.

Don't ghost for a month and then tell him you've met someone. You'll look pathetic. He doesn't care.

AnyFucker · 12/01/2016 19:03

Learn a lesson here

Any bloke that "fears intimacy" or has "commitment issues" please will all of you run a fucking mile. Even if you don't want a long term relationship yourself. These people are simply nobheads

KellyElly · 12/01/2016 19:19

This is why I think online dating is a nightmare. It really is the few who have a lasting relationship or get married. The majority of men, especially over 30 have commitment issues, are compete weirdos, sexual deviancy issues or are really just looking for something casual.

I did it for a while, but was only using it for something casual. I found that the normal guys were 25 - 28. The ones older than that were on the whole just a no. I know some people will disagree, but I'm talking on the whole. Not the small percentage that get together.

My partner I met through work after two years of messing about with online dating. All it brought me was an introduction to how many weirdos there are and some great no strings attached flings. Much better to meet someone in real life IMO.

ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 19:36

Thank you everyone.

Normally I'd run a mile from anyone who did that on the first few dates or whatever, but I had known him for ages and thought he liked me so much and was such a nice person. I mean, we'd gotten to the point where I really trusted him as a friend and someone decent who cared about me and I never saw him as a boyfriend until we'd met up and had sex. I just thought a lot of him. So when he acted like that, I know I took him back a lot of times but in terms of the scales - on one side I had my mind telling me "oh but he's so lovely and has been desperate to be with you for ages" and the other half saying "something is fishy" and the balances was just all weighed on one side.

I thought I knew him. Sounds silly as we'd not met, but I really thought I did.

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SoConfused15 · 12/01/2016 19:37

All the time that you were being online friends with this guy and seeing other people, he saw you as unobtainable. He built you up into a goddess who was too good for him. I don't think your "relationship" is based on reality.

Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 19:39

"or are really just looking for something causal"

I can agree with that. But not your bit about having commitment issues.

I believe that only a teeny tiny % of men have commitment issues. The rest either say they do, or don't even bother with the lie and just laugh behind our back when we invent that excuse for them, and still put up with their shit.

Women - PLEASE stop believing / inventing bullshit about commitment ishoos.

Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 19:40

I disagree he saw OP as in obtainable or a goddess.
He saw her as obtainable if he hung around long enough and said the right things.

He's just a shit.

ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 19:47

honestly truthfully Cabrinha, we both said we wanted something casual. But for me that's just words you say so as not to apply pressure at the start.

For me that doesn't translate to lying, headfuckery and all of this BS.

I have never had a man say it to me before - they always say the opposite - so being honest I didn't know that it meant he just wanted to fuck me and not treat me like his girlfriend and that if we got on he'd pull away

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Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 20:08

It's not a red flag if they say they want something casual.
It's a red flag if they say they have commitment ishoos!

AnyFucker · 12/01/2016 20:09

"that's just words you say"

that bloke is a dick, but I think you are playing games too

Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 20:27

It won't act as a magic shield against the arseholes, but it's far better to be honest about looking for a committed relationship.

Of course you can't say "I want a LTR with you" on the first date. But you can say, "let's see how we go, but just do you know - I'm not looking for casual, I'm looking for sonething that's going to develop and hopefully last".

That doesn't add pressure at all. It let's men not interested in a LTR now out, and for those that are - rather than feeling pressured, they'll be happy to know they're dating someone on the same wavelength.

ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 21:03

Why was I playing games? Genuine question as you're always really spot on observant maybe I've not seen my role.

Agree, saying "wanting casual" is diferrent to "ishoos".

I genuinely do want something casual. Like as in, not too fast moving, few dates, happy together, bit of Netflix, great sex but also some emotional intimacy, honesty and things to just grow slowly at a natural pace or tapering off. Definitely not looking to get married or move in with anyone and I have a really involved job and am committed to a lot of travel. At the time I thought we both wanted the same thing but I guess our definition of "casual" was very diferrent.

For me that = sex, fun, dates, see what happens

For him that = under no circumstances form a bond or any commitment

I can see next time I'd better ask more questions!!!!

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Threefishys · 12/01/2016 21:20

Casual = doesn't equal intimacy though does it. It seems men can make that distinction and we actually can't.

Threefishys · 12/01/2016 21:26

Also probably means it won't grow and there's no intention for it grow - again, men seem to have this figured out where as we more often than not thinks that if me have a nice time 'casually' then they will fall for us and progress the relationship when in fact they want what was nferred was on offer- a casual thing.

ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 21:27

For me sex is the most intimate thing you can do, along with sharing a bed, cuddling, kissing for hours.

Not so for men perhaps.

In terms of emotional intimacy (asking about someone's day, leaning about their history and the general stuff that builds a bond) are things which I do with friends and neighbors so mean a lot less to me in terms of inimacy than sex does - but without that conversational intimacy and growth of bond I don't want to hve sex with someone.

For me casual translates to no heavy stuff, wanting to move in and meet everyone's friends and go on holiday together blah, blah very quickly.

I wanted a light and fun relationship but not a dishonest or weird one.

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Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 21:30

I think we maybe see casual as different things?

I have a high commitment full time traveling job - I'm writing this from Poland. I'm away Sun-Thu EOW. When I'm back, I have my child so not huge amounts of time.
I'm not interested in getting married, and I see living together as something to do in retirement! Or at least... It's not an immediate priority.

But I want sex, intimacy and hopefully someone to grow old with.

Not living together doesn't = casual.

Casual for me means, I've already identified that you're not "the one" but I like you enough to carry on seeing / shagging you until I meet someone better accidentally, or decide to actively seek someone.

Threefishys · 12/01/2016 21:30

Light and fun generally means sex and dating though doesn't it. Intimacy takes a long time to build in any relationship in life and it doesn't take root in what has been already labelled a casual relationship.by the two people in it.

ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 21:30

Yes, he never had any intention for it to grow and was trying to prevent that, whereas I was looking it more as a "see what happens" thing

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Threefishys · 12/01/2016 21:31

Succinctly put by Cabrinha

Threefishys · 12/01/2016 21:32

See what happens? Well it happened a few times how much more did you need to see??

Cabrinha you are on fire at the minute!,every post I am agreeing with!! Grin

Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 21:34

Meeting friends and going on holiday together is light and fun - for me.

Sex isn't a marker of intimacy at all - for me. (though it can be wonderfully intimate)

So yes - I think it's worth you being clear when you talk about casual with a man what that means to each of you. Because people have different views!

I think a lot of people would think casual = FWB.

None of this applies to the fuckwit in your OP though - he's just a dick.

Cabrinha · 12/01/2016 21:36

highfive ThreeFishys Grin

Threefishys · 12/01/2016 21:36

Also sharing the bed, kissing , cuddling and all that good stuff - it's lovely but not true intimacy is it. Intimacy is surely trust and comfort and acceptance. None of which he offered you.

ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 21:44

This is going to be the most naive statement in the history of time, but I don't decide wheteher I want a relationship to turn into something until I have dated the person for a while. I really thought that was how it worked. I didn't think there was people who had decided before they got started that it was never going to come of anything - but can see completely I was totally naive.

If a man ever says that to me again, I will hear him!

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ACUnityRox · 12/01/2016 21:50

Hopefully in fairness to me, you can see the complete contradiction in all of it.

I see you as good enough as a shag for a while / I will chase you for a year, come over to change your tyre and spend hours a day talking to you.

I don't want anything serious / please come and meet all my friends after five minutes together.

I am scared of commitment / I hope you and melast for as long as possible.

Etc etc.

It wasn't dead obvious to me because of the contradictions all the ay through...which might make me seem silly but it was my first time dealing with anyone remotely like this so I didnt know they even existed in the world.

I just genuinely took is word as it was. He was scared of intimacy but wanted it. He really liked me, and was falling in love but was a bit scared. I just believed him.

Feel a total tit now obviously, but I did completely believe him

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