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Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 10:09

Never name changed before but have decided to for this.

Have been with Dp for almost 8 years and have a 5yo dd. we own house jointly.

It's been a rough ride in many ways in last couple of years two miscarriages one quite late.

Near the beginning I found stuff on his phone. Dirty pics of ex other bits I wasn't happy with. I also found a few things in his car ....glo sticks....huge amounts of tissues etc and he admitted that he had occasionally been dogging prior to our relationship. 'Voyerism and spectating' as he put it. I called it a day.

Following a huge campaign for months of daily flowers and cards and letters of apology I let this man back in my life. He had a sexual health check and things were never great, always had worry that he might still hide things. I found profiles be it old ones on hook up type sites I read messages nothing that indicated he had met up with anyone but he had never deleted them. We had counselling following this.

This was all years ago but it's always been in the back of my mind that he has the ability to lie.

We have had counselling he's gone along but doesn't seem that receptive. He's a closed book ever since I discovered his 'secret' years ago.

On Wednesday we had a wonderful night away with dd planned. As he was loading the boot of his car I noticed a carrier bag and in it were a pair of old trousers 'uniform' ones. I asked what they were doing in his car and he said he didn't really know must be from when we cleared stuff out of garage a few months ago. We did sort out a load of old uniform etc. they had a couple of marks on them. Nothing really ominous but a couple of small marks. For some reason I lifted the carpet base of his boot and on top of the spare wheel I found another pair identical and folded up. Again a couple of marks. I have a feeling these were trousers we sorted out a few months ago. It appears to me that he's hidden them in his boot. Denies he knew they were there.

He says he will get them tested and proove that the stains aren't semen. I requested he have a sexual health check. He was appalled that I could even suggest that he had been elsewhere. He went along and did this. I'm worried that they may be there, as he has been doing or intends to do what he has done in the past.

I took my daughter on her Christmas treat alone and he refuses to move out. His ds was coming for Christmas and I've cancelled her coming as finding the charade too hard to continue.

He's a fantastic dad no other changes in habits always rather be with family than out. Always wants to be with us. I don't feel there has been affairs I just worry about this seedy side and I hate the thought of being lied to again.

I am early 40's and he's 10 years older.

Don't think I've ever done such s lengthy post. Thanks for reading.

For the first time ever I'm on tablets. Just to get through Christmas. Feeling really anxious. Any help greatly appreciated.

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Fionajsd · 22/12/2015 18:48

I don't want to say too much but I've experienced extreme jealousy by something oh did when our lo was very small.

We did relate etc , I'd check his phone , emails etc it honestly made me ill like I was holding on so hard I couldn't breathe.

I told him I was still unhappy and that it I still felt the same way after a few months then I was calling it a day it was making me ill.

I realised that if I wanted to be with him I had to let go a bit so I stopped checking up on him , learned to relax etc . I realised that me being that way he wasn't going to keep him faithful but he knew I was unhappy and that ultimately I could be the one to end it all.

I guess what I'm trying to say is you can have the control in this , you don't have to stay , no one would blame you for leaving but you need to decide are you 100% in or is it too much for you to work through. Only u can decide x

Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 18:53

Not harmless if he's doing it now.

Don't think I've shamed him.

Also believe me the 'poor bloke' is free to go whenever he chooses.

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Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 18:55

And believe me this isn't doing a great deal for my self esteem either.

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Joysmum · 22/12/2015 18:59

Tbh I'm with Pocketsaviour on this one. There are this in my past I've done and enjoyed that don't form part of my marriage because DH wouldn't like it. Likewise there are things he'd like to try that I think are gross!

Difference is, we have trust and respect for one another in our marriage so it's not an issue.

Your marriage clearly doesn't have trust and by your own admission, lack of semen stains would not allay your fears.

Given you'll never trust him, not a bright future for your relationship. You're both not looking well suited on paper.

Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 19:04

Thanks Fiona I've got some serious soul searching to do.

Much has happened over the years. Maybe too much water under the bridge. I need to think.

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Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 19:06

Joysmum

You make perfect sense as always Smile

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AnyFucker · 22/12/2015 19:08

He can still be a great dad even if you two are not together in a relationship

if he is the fantastic father and decent bloke you say he is then if you decide you no longer trust him to not overstep your boundaries, you should be able to work out something where you co-parent amicably

how do you think that would fly ?

Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 19:12

AF I agree, and have already tentatively broached this with him.

He just gets upset and angry and says he just wants me to have some confidence in him and trust him. That he wants our family to be together.

I think mediation would be a way forward but only when a firm decision has been made.

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AnyFucker · 22/12/2015 19:18

It looks like if a "firm decision" is to be made, it will have to be you that does it

He just wants the status quo. He wants you to conjure this trust and confidence in him out of thin air. It sounds like that particular horse has bolted though, and really something so intrinsic to a good relationship cannot be "faked until you make it". Such magical thinking could never work.

Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 19:45

Exactly AF

His behaviour doesn't really promote any confidence or trust.

I'm not going to become a phone screening snooping wreck. It's demeaning.

And you are right in so many posts I read. A relationship shouldn't be this bloody hard.

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Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 19:47

Agree with the 'conjuring up trust out of thin air'

Just about sums up how he makes me feel.

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ImperialBlether · 22/12/2015 19:57

I would be very, very concerned at the hidden clothes. In fact I'd want to strip down that car to see what else was there. What do you mean when you say there are uniforms involved? Wouldn't that make it easy for him to swap the one from the car for another one? I would say the reason he's so keen for you to test it is because he knows he's swapped it.

I'd also be concerned that he was up to something when he was away from home. Given his proclivities, I wouldn't be able to cope with that.

Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 20:07

Imperial quite

My thoughts were that if he got work trousers marked he could swap into another pair ie these that appeared to be hidden.

Although I vaguely remember finding a load of our old uniforms out of garage at the end of summer. I possibly recall seeing theses trousers. Think they may even have been marked then. They are years old.

Strangely enough I don't worry about him being away. I feel his shady side is more voyeuristic than anything else. I just fear this seedy side. I fear being lied to.

And no I can't go on like this.

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ImperialBlether · 22/12/2015 20:15

It's incredibly seedy, isn't it?

Dirty pics of his ex on his phone
Dogging (and what the hell are the glo sticks for?!)
Hidden clothing
Hook up sites

It must be very hard to find him attractive.

RealityCheque · 22/12/2015 22:19

Anyfucker and Jan45 jumping straight onto the LTB bandwagon again. Who'd have thought it?

I wish folk (particularly you two) would realise this site isn't a game and these are real peoples lives that your glib, predictable and negative views potentially affect.

I truely feel for you - have you EVER given a man the benefit of the doubt? Very, very sad.

Fwiw, I think pocket saviour has this one about right.

AnyFucker · 22/12/2015 22:21

RC, you are entitled to your opinion.

Do you see the OP having a problem with mine ? Who do you think you are to speak for her ? How fucking patronising.

ImperialBlether · 22/12/2015 22:30

Just out of interest, RealityCheque, why do you think this man had a pair of trousers hidden next to the spare tyre?

ImperialBlether · 22/12/2015 22:30

OP, when did he have the car? Did he buy it since you got together?

angryangryyoungwoman · 22/12/2015 22:34

Realitycheque, I think the op is looking for confirmation of her own feelings and looking for reassurance that she is OK to act on them.

"I guess his past should have been a deal breaker, considering I struggle with trust issues anyway"
"Relationships shouldn't be this difficult.
Feeling very angry at the moment."
"And no I can't go on like this"

RealityCheque · 22/12/2015 22:36

I'm sorry, where have I spoken for OP?

I know you are held up as some kind of royalty on this site (I suspect in no small part due to your 'hilarious' username) but the way you (and a few others) latch onto some threads and post the same stuff over and over again, almost as if you are wearing the OP down is a very dangerous thing in my mind. These people are often at a vulnerable time in their lives and really don't need to be cajolled into a particular course of action.

Making a single post regarding your opinion is one thing. Going on and on and on whilst putting across opinion / hearsay as facts is something else.

I'm not going to comment further as I don't want to derail the thread so feel free to have the last word if you wish.

Firsteverchangeofname · 22/12/2015 22:37

It's not actually AF or Jan that I find 'glib' here.

Imperial he has had the car about 7 years of the 8 I've known him so quite a while.

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AnyFucker · 22/12/2015 22:38

Never mind that, angry

Some folks just can't let a chance go to have a pop at other contributors.

I didn't agree with some other respondents upthread but I respect their right to have the opinion they do and deliver it with good manners.

Am fucking sick of people picking up on me personally. Take it to MNHQ if you have that much of a problem with me. Posters in shitty situations don't need their threads derailed with shitty agendas like this.

RealityCheque · 22/12/2015 22:39

Imperialblether:

I have no idea what that are doing there. I also fail to see the point in speculating to be honest especially as it's a pair of work trousers - hardly evidence of anything. IIRC, OP herself said they cleared out a load of old uniform and put it in the car to take to the tip.

AnyFucker · 22/12/2015 22:42

Cross posted with you, RC.

ImperialBlether · 22/12/2015 22:49

Just don't go joining any police force, RC.

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