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Dire relationship with ex after family court proceedings... advice please

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mummytippy · 19/12/2015 23:58

Please advise on the following...

After approx 18 months of family court proceedings the acromony between my ex partner and myself has reached breaking point and I'm emotionally exhausted by all that has gone on.

We've been communicating through email (so that there's evidence) only over vital things as my ex was controlling and abusive (the reason I split from him). He now tries to control me through our ds. We split up 7 years ago.

2 weeks ago I sent him a proposal for next years holidays for contact and holidays and also Xmas arrangements etc (as outlined and directed in the court order). Naively I thought he'd come back agreeing with most of the dates and just say a few dates needed to be changed, but he rejected it all. He claimed I was dictating and interpreting the order to suit myself when I wasn't but he did not propose any dates himself. Instead he threatened me with Court action and told a Cafcass officer that he would obstruct me collecting our dc from him on Boxing Day after Xmas if he could not collect our ds from school yesterday.

I contacted the Court and we had to have a hearing to agree the arrangements for Xmas and the next year. It was extremely difficult and he had his solicitor with him. I represented myself. Both he and his solictitor have bullying natures.

The Judge talked to us and confirmed weekends are to be suspended when school breaks up which I found frustrating as this will interfere with the weekends I'm to spend with my son. As part of the Order we alternate weekends. My ex had our dc last weekend. My last weekend with him being the 5th & 6th Dec so I was looking forward to this weekend with my dc as I'm not collecting him until Boxing Day morning. I felt my proposal for Xmas contact was a better split of the time.

On the morning before Court I noticed my dc had a red eye, like the start of conjunctivitis. He has been suffering with an extremely chesty cold for the last 10 days. I therfore made a doctors appointment for after school as over the counter meds haven't shifted it. My ds said his eye was sore so I reassured him by telling him I'd make a doctors appointment appointment for him.

We attended Court and in view of alternate weekends being suspended upon the break up of school, the Judge said his father was to collect our dc from school yesterday. I was expecting him to collect him tom eve (Sunday)). As I thought this was to be the start of his Xmas contact (at the end of my contact weekend). My dc also had a piano lesson arranged half an hour after school and then his Cubs Xmas party 6.30pm - 8pm. The docs appoint was to be sandwiched between the two.

The Judge was made aware of the half hour piano lesson, docs appointment and the Cubs Xmas party. The Judge recommended our dc attend his piano lesson and to see what the condition of his eye was after coming out from school. If still not cleared up he was to attend the doctors appointment but after that it was for his father 'to take the lead' on whether he should attend his Cubs party. I was disappointed that the Judge in view of the arrangements our dc was anticipating attending, that he did not suggest my ex collecting our ds today (eg, split the difference on each of our expectations when contact would start) so I could simply take him to these arranged activities. My exs solicitor actually launched into a very personal attack outside Court accusing me of arranging these activities (including the doctors appointment) as a 'manipulation tactic'!!! His solicitor said my ex could take our ds to a doctor in his contact time. I stressed it was better he see his own doctor and I'd taken the last appointment. I was cross he had no regard towards the best intersts of my dc!

My point to all this in giving so much background is that my ex agreed at Court to what the Judge said but then he did not follow through. This has not been the first time he has gone back on his word and I'm exhausted by his lies, attitude but importamntly how much it confuses and upsets our son.

So, the the Judge ruled my ex collect our ds from school, he attend his piano lesson and the doctors appointment and to the see how much our ds wanted to go to the Cubs Xmas party. I obv knew the answer to the latter and had already told the Judge this. Our ds had baked some biscuits the night before to take to the party. My ex left Court saying contact school, tell them I'm coming (which I did) and that he'd meet me at my house with regard to everything else.

My ex was then 30 mins late so had his gf text me half an hour before school out to ask me to arrange to collect our ds from school and wait at home. 10 mins later still no sign so I cancelled the piano lesson because I didn't feel it would go down too well if I was not at home with our ds when he arrived.

When he did arrive I advised our ds's eye was worse (redder) and on looking at it our dc's eye, he played it down. My ds said it was sore but my ex said 'it will be okay' and he'd monitor it. I said it had already deteriorated since the morning. He would have none of it despite me suggesting we all go to the doctors (in separate vehicles) just for peace of mind and to have our ds's chest checked too. My ex said he would prefer to just get going homeand would take our ds to a doctor in his area. He assured me he would and only because he assured me he would I was pressured into saying goodbye until Boxing Day to our ds. I rang the surgery and cancelled the appointment explaing the situ.

With regard to the Cubs party he simply told our ds he could not go as it would be too late getting back to his area... but then said it's not a school night so they could watch films until late... My son was clearly disappointed but said nothing despite his counter offer.

This morning, I emailed my ex to see which doctor he'd taken him to and what the outcome was and he told me hadnt taken him and it appeared to be fine. It was not fine yesterday and I'm really cross at myself that I did not insist on taking our ds to our local surgery to the appointment I'd made.

I'm so furious with my ex as he agreed to do this and has not. He was also arrogant towards me in attitude with regards to the agreed contact schedule of which I'd said I'd send him a re-worked schedule based on what we'd agreed... but then he had his gf send one via his email account 30 mins after leaving Court.

Any advise on how to go forwards would be grately appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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mummytippy · 05/02/2016 12:43

Thanks Penfold007

I'm aware of PR and that through this my ex can find these things out for himself. I do feel like it is something he should do and if you like 'I'm giving him info on a plate'. I was advised by my sol last year to always keep him informed of such things... basically so he can't say I haven't or I don't. I actually feel it's part of my duty as a good parent to my son to share this information.

Where he hasn't kept me informed it has caused unecessary worry and anxiety. By keeping him informed I can never be accused of that.

The last time my ds stayed for contact his partner gave my ds some medicine for constipation. It would have been helpful to know as I had encouraged our ds to eat some prunes on his return with embarrasing results for him.

As a result of that I've put a 'handover book' in my ds's bag with the hope this can be filled in in future so we are all aware of matters backed by an email.

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rumbleinthrjungle · 05/02/2016 12:57

He explained to you quite candidly he wanted phone call contact only for court reasons, as he put it. He doesn't want you to be able to evidence his behaviour. Fuck that. He can call you pathetic or anything else childish he likes, don't budge on that one.

But I agree with pp, you may do better to stop offering any unsolicited information at all. I know to you it looks like cooperation and helping but you can see by now he isn't going to respond and you're handing him yet more sticks to hit you with.

Detach. Stop giving this tedious arse head space.

mummytippy · 05/02/2016 13:31

Thanks Rumble, I know and it is exhausting. I would be changing everything that's gone before (my pattern of informative behaviour!) and I think the Judge saw through both sides of evidence that I was the parent who communicated and informed which went against my ex so I feel afraid to stop! Plus he's done that on the comms front.

On another note, as I'm going to continue emailing re: dates for birthday parties/special occasions - what's the best way to have someone acknowledge an email they don't want to acknowledge?!

Stick with please acknowledge receipt? Or add... ''If I don't receive a reply from you, I'll assume that this is correct''... Or both?!
I don't really want to go with the ''ignored means read and received''.
He has a smart phone fgs!

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Penfold007 · 05/02/2016 13:33

Sorry wasn't suggesting you don't understand PR. Maybe a monthly bullet point update might work? As for phone only that's so he can deny in court, don't do it.

rumbleinthrjungle · 05/02/2016 13:44

Another thing to keep in mind having just read your other thread, he has mentioned being bombarded by emails from you as a reason to insist on phone contact. However unfair and untrue that is you do need to be careful not to give him evidence of what he could call harassment from regular unsolicited emails.

He can choose not to click on a read receipt on an email. Unfortunately you can't make him read or acknowledge the information you would like to send and he is indicating that it is unwanted. How about an online blog you fill in, or a Facebook type page he can sign into if he wants, so you've shown communication and know he has access to it if he chooses?

mummytippy · 05/02/2016 13:58

Thanks Penfold, I know and I didn't mean to sound blunt. I just don't want to turn into my ex! Two wrongs don't make a right etc...

I really have stepped back as it is equally my ex's responsibility to ensure our ds can take part in things and attend things on his weekends with his dad and I only want to have to contact him about essential matters rather than a 'monthly round-up'. We don't agree on anything and it's as simple as that so i'm only going to communicate when I absolutely have to.

The sad thing here is that my ex has a complete aversion to driving to my area so has never taken up any offers to take our ds for tea or anything additional to the court order despite having open invitations to do so.

It is 'convenient' that his new baby is supposedly on it's way as the responsibility has now fallen on me regarding the trip. As I said I think in this post or my previous post, he never had any intention of driving to my area to drop off our ds for the trip tomorrow.

To add to it, I'm now on standby re: the baby.

If it arrives before lunchtime tom, I'm to take our ds to my ex...
If it has not arrived by tomorrow, I am not to take our ds to his Dad.

I've been told I'll receive a phonecall. I asked for a text but was told no, he'll ring me.

I've made it clear that if I do take ds to him, I cannot collect him on Sunday. His aversion to driving has in the past had me covering 400 over the course of a weekend. Another elemment of control... Still feel like I'm on a string but obvs my ds is excited about the baby and I'll gladly take him over based on the above timelines for arrival.

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mummytippy · 05/02/2016 14:03

Thanks Rumble, I know it's easy for me to say but I really have not been bombarding him. What he meant by that was... I don't want to answer your questions because I'm tying a noose around my neck with any response I give!

A blog or FB page would not work, I'd rather stick with what we've always done which is what I was advised to do by a solicitor. His solicitor wanted us to correspond through solicitors correspondence and only after he disengaged his sol (whilst we were still negotiating some matters) both our sols advised we email.

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mummytippy · 05/02/2016 14:04

Also Rumble, my emails don't carry read receipts.

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FullMoonDiva · 05/02/2016 14:45

If it was me I would take away his means of control and change my number, giving him only the email address as a way of communicating.

In reference for tomorrow I would send a quick email stating something along the lines of
'as discussed verbally earlier I will take ds to x activity on your behalf on x date at your request and collect him after I will await email confirmation from you that it is okay for me to deliver x to you at x time. As discussed if I don't receive an email by 11am I will assume that you are unavailable due to the impending birth of your other young child and will keep ds here as requested. I will then await further email communication from you with regards to the re-commencement of your scheduled time with ds.

If you do not reply to this email I will assume that all is correct and agreed.

As further discussed verbally I will be unable to accept any further communication via telephone call as advised against for matters unrelated to arrangements of visitations. Please accept this email of confirmation that I will only communicate to you in writing from today (x date) any attempts to call my phone will be unanswered and voicemails will not be listened too as I do not have the number anymore. As mentioned above this is effective from today so please bare that in mind when wanting to make arrangements this weekend'

FullMoonDiva · 05/02/2016 14:49

You could also copy the above into a text message and send that to his phone number so that you know even if he hasn't checked his emails he has seen it on his phone.

After that I wouldn't think you would need a read receipt. He has presumable given you previously his email address so you know it is correct and works, if he choses not to check it then that is down to him. Just keep any emails you do send so that you can prove they were sent from your side. I wouldn't email him any further details about dentist appointments, doctors, school....anything. If he wants to know he has the means to source that info for himself and it takes away his ability to accuse you of harassment.

TeapotDictator · 05/02/2016 15:04

Totally agree, why are you asking him to acknowledge receipt? That comes across as being controlling and overly invested. If you want to keep him updated, let him know that you will be sending monthly updates to the following email address (presumably the one he has given you) and if he wants the information he can find it there. The end!

I think you are unwittingly being tied up in knots here and in your bid to do the right thing are coming across as being needy and difficult.

Detach, detach, detach.

(This comes from my own 2 year experience of the family court: multiple hearings, Section 37 report, final hearing, appeal (his) and variation application (his) - and who'd have thought it but he ended up with what I'd been offering all along.)

Penfold007 · 05/02/2016 17:55

Just a thought Tippy but it might be an idea to screenshot your call log every week or so to evidence that he has been calling. Hopefully you can edit out other numbers. You could let his calls go to voicemail as you would have a record of them and then only text back.

mummytippy · 06/02/2016 12:10

Thanks Penfold I usually do that anyway as I did it during the Court process.

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