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Am I being a bitch to want more?

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howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 20:13

I'll try and be brief!
My Dh and I have been together for 13 years. We have a DS who's 3. We used to have a lot of fun going out when we didn't have DS, but now I feel like going out clubbing with mates is really all we had in common. I don't feel like we share interests now.
That's only part of the problem, my main issue is that I feel like my husband is participating in our lives rather than contributing.
Positives: He's brilliant with DS, he spends really quality time with him playing. He takes him out on walks and to the park and they enjoy their time together. He does bath and bedtime pretty much every night while I do the cooking. As a husband he is financially dependable (he doesn't earn masses but it's enough), I know he loves me, he's pretty chilled about what I do and let's me have time with friends and freedom. He's attractive and intelligent.
Negatives for me: He doesn't take the initiative in anything, either big or small. He does do stuff around the house, but he thinks if he's unstacked the dishwasher or put a load in the washing machine then he's done his bit for the day. I'm constantly picking stuff up behind DH and DS, he can live with mess around him, whereas I find it difficult. We've lived in our house for 2 years and I think he's cleaned the bathroom twice. He's got a load of old paperwork shoved into files which all needs sorting and shredding or filing. I put it up in the loft because I was sick of looking at it, but he needed to get something so it all came back down again and he promised my faithfully that he would sort it out. That was 6 months ago, it's still in the corner of out bedroom. I do all the household filing and paperwork. I sort all insurances, car tax and MOT, he wouldn't have a clue if we were properly insured or not. We have a mortgage based life insurance policy which was attached to our old property so if we drop down dead then it wouldn't be enough to cover our current mortgage, we spoke about it when we first moved in but he is completely oblivious that it still needs sorting.
His driving licence is still registered at his mum's house, he's 41! His passport has just run out and I have this feeling that it will probably get to holiday time and it will be a mad rush to sort it out.
I have been the driving force of the homes we have bought, they've both been do-er up-ers, unless I say shall we do such and such it will not get done. We currently have a project which will basically pay off our mortgage when it's finished, I instigated us doing it.
Even driving, it's improved over the last few weeks but over the years, I've been like a driving instructor when going anywhere because he can't be arsed to remember the way round our city!
I could actually go on and on with examples over the years.
Fundamentally, I just want him to have a bit more passion about stuff. To suggest stuff and have an opinion.
He's not much of a talker, most conversations are started by me.
I would be flabbergasted if one weekend he said 'right, let's do such and such'. It always gets to the weekend and I casually suggest stuff to do as a family and I all I get is 'yeah' or 'I don't know/mind'.
Like I say, I could go on and on. I'm just getting really tired with having to keep the ship sailing.
We have spoken about this a few times over the years. A couple months ago I was really down about it and I told him it was making me unhappy. He always agrees that he should take more initiative and he makes an effort for a few weeks but then it goes back to normal. He has a terrible memory which I think is part of the problem but other people manage to conduct their lives by writing lists and reminders for themselves.
Sorry turned into an essay!!
Am I being unreasonable to want more out of a marriage?

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Offred · 08/11/2015 21:45

I tend to think when someone behaves like this it is less that they don't know how/what to do or have got into bad habits and more to do with believing that they are entitled to sit back and let you struggle. You can influence limited change with someone who believes they are entitled to sit back because they will always do just enough to stop you leaving/complaining. You can't change their belief that you are their slave...

millymae · 08/11/2015 21:51

Nothing to add to what others have already said, but you need to nag him about his driving licence. I am sure you can be fined for having the wrong address on it. I stand to be corrected about this, but I'm sure my sister found herself in a bit of trouble when she had to produce her licence at the police station.

howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 21:51

Fern25, For me, I would really have to consider if I could put myself through this. The disappointment if it didn't happen would be extremely annoying. We already have a blackboard with a list of stuff which needs doing, all he needs to do is look at it, but alas.....
He was most thrilled with himself the other week that he put a row of hooks up in the cupboard for the coats. They were on individual hooks previously which kept coming down which incensed both of us for the past 6 months, it still took 6 months. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty handy and just crack on with stuff. I'm not precious about getting my hands dirty or getting the drill out, but sometimes I dig my heels in because I think why the hell should I do that too!

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Friendlystories · 08/11/2015 21:52

Sorry x posted, it does sound like maybe it's gone past that stage for you, for me there were enough plus points to him and our marriage to make it worth my while. You can't stay with him just because you're worried he won't cope with life on his own. I do feel your pain, you just want to stick a rocket under them don't you but it does sound like you would need to change an awful lot about his character to make this work for you and I'm not sure that's fair to either of you.

howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 21:58

Millymae, I'm sure you're right, but again, can't he just sort his shit out?! It's even written on the blackboard!!
Offred, He's not particularly confident really, I think it's more a confidence issue than a self entiled one. He's confident when he's with his mates and family but it's almost like he's not got the confidence to make a decision by himself.

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IrritableBitchSyndrome · 08/11/2015 21:59

Better a lazy OH than someone who takes the initiave but is nasty. I have found it very hard in the past to find someone who 'took the initiative' but whose ego wasn't threatened when I wanted to lead on something. My DH is much like yours, but compared to previous partners, it's a relief, and I tend to focus on his positive characteristics.

howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 22:01

MarxistMinx: I'm glad to hear you're happier now. How did your ex cope when you left?

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howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 22:05

IrritableBitchSyndrome, that's an interesting one, probably a perfect example of 'the grass is always greener'! I've thought about that a lot lately and whether I would regret leaving. But by adding that to the mix I guess I'd never make a decision. And actually right now it feels like being on my own, without having to think of anyone apart from me and DS seems pretty appealing!

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TheMarxistMinx · 08/11/2015 22:21

Can you train a husband? Can you make a silk purse from a sows ear? The answer to both is...

If you have to train a person to make decisions you still will have made one decision too many!

The only way a reluctant decision maker can take that first step is to decide to do so for themselves...and usually only because they are forced to do so because no one is there to do it. Which proves emphatically that their laziness is a choice. However if the only decision they ever make is to be this way you won't change it. They can but again...isn't it a logical impossibility to force someone to choose!

Offred · 08/11/2015 22:26

Offred, He's not particularly confident really, I think it's more a confidence issue than a self entiled one. He's confident when he's with his mates and family but it's almost like he's not got the confidence to make a decision by himself.

Are you married to my XH?

Seriously? He is a grown man who has married, works and has DC and he 'hasn't got the confidence' to put phone numbers in a mobile or decide what to do at the weekend...

Totally calling bullshit on that one!!!

Offred · 08/11/2015 22:28

I believed that exact thing for a long time about XH. Now, having left him, I can see that he did have the confidence to take steps to look after himself first and foremost whenever he felt it necessary. He did a lot of and this elicited a lot of help and support from me, which he never acted on, because he liked not having responsibilities to other people and being able to still do what he wanted.

TheMarxistMinx · 08/11/2015 22:34

Yes these people don't stand in the road and get run over or fail to decide what is for dinner when they have to feed themselves. They suddenly and quite miraculously develop the ability to think and do stuff!

My ex is probably quite fine. I'm rather hoping he has more the occupy himself with but I fear not. I'm still doing it all but without the resentment I felt before.

howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 22:35

Offered: fair comment!! I needed that reality check!! :-)

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Offred · 08/11/2015 22:39

I said step up or ship out to XH. He had a whole year during which time he did not step up and I got lower and lower and then I shipped out. I am now the bitch who ruined his whole life but I'm not wiping his arse anymore so I largely don't care!

howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 22:40

I know it's not what I should concentrate on because people make their own choices, but if I left I keep having this image of him being alone and unhappy and the thought of that makes me really sad.
Writing it down really helps because I know how wet that sounds!! Because he can choose not to be that way.

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Offred · 08/11/2015 22:41

He wouldn't go to counselling when I initially brought stuff up. His first suggestion when I said I wanted to split was counselling with a view to staying together... He cried, it was terribly heart wrenching but by then I knew it would just be worse if I capitulated. I didn't love him anymore, he made my skin crawl in fact... Sadly...

Offred · 08/11/2015 22:43

He has been doing a large amount of about it since I went. He has decided that me leaving means he will always be alone and he tells the DC he is sad etc. after I left I felt differently about all of it. I have been much more on the 'your life, your choices, your misery that you choose' side than the 'oh god I've ruined his life' side.

Offred · 08/11/2015 22:44

His makes me quite annoyed now tbh.

howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 22:48

A year is a pretty long time to give him a chance.
Can't imagine feeling that way towards DH to be honest, but I guess the longer things go on the more resentment builds up.
I hope with all his enlightenment swatting he'd be able to be happy anyway!

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Offred · 08/11/2015 22:48

TBH the very fact you are concerned he wouldn't cope if he left is the biggest red flag that he is making you responsible for his life and happiness. He will be fine. He will make sure he is fine. I would be willing to bet my life on it. He will make the important things fine and choose to sacrifice some unimportant things (to him) so that he can maintain a reasonably credible if he is anything like my XH.

Offred · 08/11/2015 22:49

It's just the way it happened tbh. I regret giving him a whole year but it took that long for me to give up on him.

Offred · 08/11/2015 22:50

Was not good for the DC to give him so long tbh.

howhasitgotothis · 08/11/2015 22:51

How long have you been split? How are the dc's now?

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TopOfTheCliff · 08/11/2015 22:52

I had an XH who expected me to run his life even though he is a hugely clever successful man. I think he knew I could do it all better than him so he just opted out.
When I left him he forgot to insure or MOT the car and when the police caught him it was all my fault! "But my wife left meee!!" He bloody got away with it too!

OP don't let him make you too resentful and angry. It bends you out of shape and makes you behave like a harpy. Take action now! I stayed 27 years

Offred · 08/11/2015 22:53

DCs are ok. Been split for over two years, living apart for 2 years. I only moved into my own house 6 months ago. They are adjusting. His is not helping them. They want him to be happy and feel hurt on his behalf but he is actually managing everything he needs to and more perfectly competently. His sadness is mainly manipulative bluster to punish me for leaving IMO.