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Strategies for coping without sexual intimacy in a marriage

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usuallyconfused · 22/10/2015 18:50

Hi,

I am in a marriage with no sexual intimacy, although we are very close and moderately affectionate towards each other. For various reasons my wife is not able to entertain sexual intimacy (sex of any flavour, intimate touching or passionate kissing) in our relationship. I on the other hand find sex and physical intimacy to be important, both generally, and to our relationship, and very much struggle without. We went through Relate some time ago to improve things, with some temporary improvement, but ultimately without a positive lasting result. Our sexual intimacy issues have been going on for around 10 years, and we are now in our late thirties. Things came to an unfortunate head recently because I reached the end of my tether and finally "gave up" on things ever improving, and it is fair to say that something needs to change in our relationship. We are both willing to fight to save our marriage, but I can only see three possibilities:

(1) We have another go at reviving our sex life, and it succeeds;
(2) We separate; or
(3) We investigate a coping strategy (basically for me) for a marriage without sex and physical intimacy.

Frankly, option (1) is unlikely to work, since we have tried it all before, although we have not entirely given up just yet. Option (2) is not desirable because (a) our marriage and life together is fantastic in all other ways, and (b) we have three fairly young children, and our family unit is important to us.

We are shortly to be attending Relate again, to talk about what all this means for our relationship, and how to move forwards, but before we do so I just wanted to canvas some opinion on the third of these options, which neither of us had given real consideration to before. In particular, I want to try to fully understand whether anyone else has taken an active decision to basically "give up" on sex and intimacy in the interests of preserving their marriage, whether they were able to make it work, and if so HOW! :-)

I'm not saying that we'll never touch each other again and sleep in separate rooms - simply that we would both give up on trying to sort out our sex lives, and focus only on connecting in ways she is comfortable with - generally non-physical, but she is perfectly happy with the occasional hug, a massage, and sitting together on the sofa. If by some freak of romantic coincidence something sparks off between us without trying, then great - but we wouldn't be hunting for it.

Please could posts be directed if possible to this issue, rather than on my other two options - which I have already explored in substantial detail!

Please could posts also not be directed to suggesting open relationships, secret affairs, or the use of sex workers!

Also, not keen on chemical castration (!), although I wouldn't necessarily discount natural remedies or dietary suggestions which may diminish male sex drive, since this might be of some help.

From the reading I have done so far, the conventional wisdom seems to be that a sexless marriage can work just fine if neither person is that bothered about sex, but is a tricky beast indeed if one party does want it, which is certainly the case for me. Having given it some thought, I think the two things I find most difficult are firstly the absence of sexual intimacy in my life at all, and secondly the difficulty in fully connecting emotionally with my wife without sex (she doesn't really experience this - she feels comfortably close to me without, so this problem only applies in one direction).

I think perhaps what I am most interested in is whether by way of mental attitude, coping strategies and lifestyle it is possible to live a happy and fulfilling life in my situation.

One final point - the solution should not just be a stop-gap until our children grow up and leave home, since my wife has said she would rather the relationship failed now so she can plan the rest of her life before she hits 40 rather than when she is nearly 50! I guess what this means is that the advice "just focus on the children" for the next 10 years will not work!

Thanks!

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Pete2u · 23/10/2015 14:21

It was said in the other thread, and think your wife is currently in the "Bi" to "Gay" transition.

I think the suggestion of swinging or threesomes above is laughable btw.

It seems to me that you are both seeing sexual satisfaction that you can't give each other. Both of you have already cheated on each other, you with the affair and her with the sex worker.

It is very likely that this will end one way, an you are both in transition towards that end point.

I suggest that you seek out a LBGT therapist and start having sessions to discuss your future together. I would guess that tipping her toe into exploring her sexuality, this is not going to stop there.

The key really is that if the decision is done to end your marriage, it is done in such a way that you minimise damaged on both sides... that way you can concentrate on the children rather than fighting.

You are also not alone, plenty of people have and are going through similar experiences:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33382824

There suppose groups for Straight Spouses out there, there is an email address in the link above for UK support group.

Good luck

Pete2u · 23/10/2015 14:24

Sorry lots of typing errors... but sure you can work out what I mean.

FurryGiraffe · 23/10/2015 14:32

My wife just doesn't have enough sexual interest in anyone to want to participate in a threesome. The erotic massage was allegedly a bit of a "meh" experience for her (I saw a private email about it she sent to one of her friends)

Judging from this comment, plus your other thread, your wife has never told you about the massage and doesn't know that you know? Is that correct? If it is, then your first problem is that she's not being honest with you and neither of you are being honest in your Relate sessions because you're both holding back from discussing something significant. And if the two of you have not discussed this, then what else have you not discussed?

usuallyconfused · 23/10/2015 14:38

Hi Matrix,

It was reasonably good for the first 2 and a half years. It was when children turned up that it went awry.

Pete - I don't think she is gay (nor did the sex therapist). Bisexual almost certainly. But that is not a problem in itself.

I think the gay/bisexual thing is a red herring - but it always seems to be the thing most people get very excited about and think explains everything.

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MatrixReloaded · 23/10/2015 14:42

I also think the bisexual thing is a red herring. I've sent you a pm.

usuallyconfused · 23/10/2015 14:44

Hi FurryGiraffe (great name),

She did confess in the end - when it became clear that I knew. I confronted her about that at the same time as owning up to my own indiscretion.

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okayjustthisonce · 23/10/2015 14:55

Hi o p
I'm a lurker who has just joined because I thought you may need some advice. I don't want to give too much info but I was once in a similar position to your wife. I wasn't ever bothered about sex, even at the beginning of our marriage, and having the children just made it an even bigger chore. For about 15 years, I had perfunctory and sporadic sex just to keep my Dh happy. Of course, despite us being great partners and best friends there was something off with us - neither of us was fulfilled. My low sex drive had nothing to do with the Dh and everything to do with me. Eventually, I realised that I didn't want to reach the age of 40 without ever having an orgasm. I took matters into my own hands (pardon the pun), used sexy literature and finally reached orgasm. I explored my sexuality, by myself and without telling my Dh. When I was confident, I let him know what I was up to. We've never looked back. We have very regular sex (and have been for years now) and every time's a winner.

My point is this. Your wife may have a low libido or she may just need a bit of a jump start. Either way, she deserves to be a sexually fulfilled human being. I know you know this, but she has to really feel this for herself. She may find the Nancy Friday books useful - to understand that it's normal to have all sorts of sexual feelings and to understand that it's great to share these feelings with a partner. I hope this helps.

Pete2u · 23/10/2015 15:02

OP

I think she is in denial or more likely trying to figure out her sexuality which is in itself is very challenging and complex. The saying "First Bi then gay" isn't made up, it's the term that describes the transitional stage; there is more information out there on the topic... google "sexual fluidity". It's not like you don't go to bed one night straight and wake up the next morning gay.

Being Frank (rather than Pete!), you are obviously aware that she finds it difficult kissing you on an emotional level, but have already stated she has visited a sex worker for sexual gratification.. and have stated she has found kissing women very emotional. In all honesty, you both seem in denial as rightly so, it will have a massive impact on your current family unit.

But good luck.

Pete2u · 23/10/2015 15:12

.. think about it, could you visit a same sex "sex worker" and get sexual gratification from it if you were straight?

usuallyconfused · 23/10/2015 15:22

Hi Pete,

Apparently (as I mentioned above), she didn't get any sexual gratification from visiting the erotic massage lady. Her reason for going was to explore that side of her sexuality, but the experience turned out to be a bit of a disappointment.

Having said that, I saw a photo of the erotic massage lady, and I don't think I'd have got much sexual gratification out of being touched by her either...

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Pete2u · 23/10/2015 15:30

OP, What about the kissing of women?

usuallyconfused · 23/10/2015 15:35

The one time she did kiss a woman she did enjoy it. But then on (very rare) occasions she has really liked doing so with me (two or three of these times being more recently than the time she kissed a woman).

The most likely conclusion is that she is bisexual. But I don't have a problem with that.

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TheFuzz · 23/10/2015 16:03

OP do not under any circumstances mess with your Testosterone levels. If you want a healthy life you'll keep them. It is an essential hormone for men. You will feel like crap if you mess with it.

From a bloke on replacement therapy due to a dodgy vasectomy. I'm trying to get me working again. Not easy.

Lweji · 23/10/2015 16:14

Could you be worried about living alone? It would be understandable.

Splitting up as someone said doesn't need to be nuclear. It could be healthy and you could still share a lot. You just wouldn't work as a full couple and it would leave you free to find an even better relationship - surely she's not the only match for you.

Pete2u · 23/10/2015 16:24

If that is the case then you'll just have to put your desires on the back burner and concente on the functional parts of your relationship.
Hopefully this will be enough else you have other decisions to make. In some ways whether she is gay, Bi or straight it makes no difference, as long as you are both commited to the relationship with any agreed limitations..
There are many people who live functional lives without a partner, so you have more than them.. I think if you are trying to fix this by taking drugs you've already lost the battle.

You've spoken about her exploring her sexuality, is this something you have both openly discussed or is this just set of incidents?

Pete2u · 23/10/2015 16:25

Set of past incidents..

usuallyconfused · 23/10/2015 16:57

Hi Lweji,

Not really worried about living alone. I've got lots of family and friends nearby.

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usuallyconfused · 23/10/2015 16:59

Hi Pete,

I think she has drawn a line under the "exploration" thing - she's not really seemed worried about that for the last 9 months or so.

I don't want to take drugs!

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ILiveAtTheBeach · 23/10/2015 18:53

There are lots of people in your situation and websites exist to connect them. Such as Illicit Encounters. I would determine cheating if you were sleeping with 2 people at once, and neither was aware of the other one. But quite frankly, if your wife isn't having sex with you, and if you discuss in advance that you will see other women for sex, that's not cheating. I personally couldn't live like that, but in your situation, it's never going to be perfect, so you may well have to "think outside the box".

No way should you take stuff to suppress your desire. Don't mess with your system. I think the fact that you're even contemplating that is testament to how low you are feeling.

Women do tend to experience higher sex drives in their 40's (mine has increased tenfold), but I'm not sure this will happen with a woman who is celibate?!

You can't suppress your desire (and nor should you have to), so I think you really only have 2 options:

  1. You strike up a sexual relationship with a woman who is in the same situation as yourself (with your wife's approval)
  1. You split up and move on.

I do not think that living without sex is an option. That's just madness. Think about how frustrated you feel right now, and imagine that this feeling never goes away, that you're like this for the next 40 years. Nope.

curiousc88t · 23/10/2015 23:17

Grrrrrraaaahhhhh Life is far too short to be unhappy !

Separate, divorce, you can still be a good father

Go and live your new life & no doubt you will find someone new

You talk too much & not enough action !

Make a decision either stay or go

Your current wife probably will never want sex with you ever again if you admitted to the affair

No doubt you are making each other unhappy

spudlike1 · 24/10/2015 09:17

Set each other free
Re create a happy new shape of a family for your children

DistanceCall · 24/10/2015 18:59

Has your wife ever felt desire for you?