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I don't know how to begin to say it.

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blametheparents82 · 11/10/2015 16:05

I don't love my wife. I respect and admire and like her - she's an incredible person, and any sensible man should be thankful to have her, but apparently I'm not sensible because I don't love her.

We've been together 12 years, married 10. Two DCs, 8 and 6, who - needless to say - are the reason it's still a marriage and not an ex-marriage.

Like a lot of these stories, it begins with sex, and a mismatch in drives. Hers was always lower, and although her perception is that we used to be at it like knives, we weren't. Maybe for the first few weeks. After that, we settled into a pattern that I'd associate with 20 years of marriage: 2, 3 times a week. That lasted a little while, but dwindled fast to once a week, then once a fortnight. Then the DCs came along and it tells you everything you need to know that I am certain where and when DS (second child) was conceived.

While all this dwindling was going on, I tried and tried and was rejected and rejected. It was humiliating, and caused a lot of resentment. Both of us, to be honest, were embarrassed to confront it, embarrassed to ask for what we wanted in bed, embarrassed to say "I'm not in the mood". Sex between us shrivelled and died. It's probably more than a year since we last attempted it, and that was a disaster. After years of feeling resentment and humiliation, I became the one to reject her. I wanted sex - want sex - but I don't want it with her. I quite simply am not attracted to her - the years of near-drought killed my desire for her. I actually don't blame her for it - we were both to blame, our inability to talk it through or get help before it was too late.

But now I don't want help. I want to be free. What began as sexual dysfunction spread and turned malignant. We don't row, we don't abuse each other - we simply exist under the same roof. The kids wouldn't necessarily be aware there's a problem, but we have no friends in common, no interests in common. The DCs are all that unites us. And they're great - happy, healthy, hilarious, intelligent little miracles. I adore them, and look forward to every second I spend with them, and have a wonderful time when I do. But it's always better if it's them with their mum, or them with me. Not both. "Family time" always has that underlying tension, at least for me.

Despite my respect and regard for my wife, I can't help misdirecting my feelings sometimes. I do find myself blaming her - although I certainly don't express it intentionally. (I'm suffering from quite acute depression, which I'm getting help for, but I'm certain the marriage difficulties are a cause, not an effect, of my MH problems.) Anyway, when I'm down, a symptom is anger. I'm not an angry person, and I don't shout or scream, and I've never used my fists on another human being, let alone in a relationship. I just go cold, and sarcastic, and freeze right up. I feel myself doing it and try not to, but it's so hard not to make my sadness come out as anger. She doesn't deserve it, and I do try my hardest to be nice. This doesn't happen often, but it's becoming more frequent, and I don't want to be that person. I hate myself when I freeze up on her, and that makes it all worse.

So we're both so unhappy, and we know that The Conversation, when it comes, will be the end of us. So we're not having The Conversation. We're desperately avoiding all conflict because we both know the dam will burst when we do.

And I know it's coming, but all I want is to minimise the damage for the children and for both of us. I think she still loves me, and is terrified. And part of me wants to do what a husband does - put my arms around her and make it all OK and reassure her. But I've got no reassurance to give: she may love me, but my love for her is gone. And The Conversation is coming and I'm so scared.

How can I have it in the most blame-free, kindest way possible? Is there a way to do this without cruelty? There isn't, is there? Oh god, I never wanted to be cruel to her.

OP posts:
mrstweefromtweesville · 11/10/2015 22:19

Very well written, OP.

TheBitchOfDestiny · 12/10/2015 09:16

fistyismyname what a great post, hope the op takes notice of it. and definitely sounds like was for the best in your case, and you sound like you have dealt with it really well

I hope you find happiness in the future Flowers

op how are you today?x

ILiveAtTheBeach · 14/10/2015 16:47

Lots of good advice on here, which I echo. What hasn't been addressed is the money side of things. You need to make sure that you split your assets 50% down the middle. You are worried at the moment about hurting her and think that letting her have the house and the savings will alleviate some of your guilt. People change A LOT when they divorce. I hope it's amicable, but she may turn into a right witch (my ExH became an unrecognisable monster when I left him). So be prepared. Think about how you will feel if she re-marries and you're still single, and she has all the assets and savings. You haven't done anything wrong and you deserve your half.

TheBitchOfDestiny · 14/10/2015 16:52

good advice ilive

my h got screwed by his ex cos of guilt

EponasWildDaughter · 14/10/2015 20:59

Just wanted to add my support OP. I had to initiate The Conversation with XH and i put it off for months and months after the point at which i knew it had to be done. It was horrible and it is burned in my memory. There was no shouting or yelling, but i felt dreadful even so.

I've only got very obvious advice: choose a time when you have no DCs around you for a good few hours. Give her a little warning maybe. Don't make the sex aspect of it a big thing. Be prepared for anything. She may react in any number of ways which you haven't counted on.

Finally be prepared to be totally emotionally shattered afterwards. Drained and exhausted. Have somewhere to go to separately, and plan time for (both of) you to pull yourself (ves) together before being with the DCs.

lavenderhoney · 14/10/2015 23:42

IT takes you both to make it blame free. I decided not to mention my exdh penchant for other women and go for " its not working and hasn't for years"

Amazingly, he didn't grab the get out, has redefined himself as the perfect husband (!) and is still making my life hell. Do not, as another poster said very gently - make bad long term financial decisions and commitments.

I saw a family councellor and discussed the effects in DC and how to help them adjust.

It hasn't happened for mine, but you'll have to contact the school for info, contact the docs, not rely on your DW to pass info on. If you're interested, you'll do it. And make their rooms at yours their rooms, their home - not random sleep over stuff- and take them on hols alone and you'll be a better parent and ultimately a friend when they are adult if you do- not just drop them at your mums etc and play on your phone.

Your DW could jump either way- angry at the status quo changing or relived someone had made a decision. You can't control that, but you can control the parent you want to be.

Isetan · 15/10/2015 08:03

You and your wife both ignored your mismatched sex drives, failed to acknowledge the impact on your marriage and missed the opportunity to address it. You blame your wife and saying she's amazing etc doesn't change that. Your neglect of your own needs has manifested itself as depression and anger and resentment towards your wife. Perhaps your 'coldness' is your subconscious way of punishing her and/or pressuring her to end the marriage.

If you love and respect your wife as much as you say you do, then you need to stop pretending and start being honest with her.

Until you start taking responsibility for your contribution to this situation you can't move on and solo counselling could be an excellent opportunity to starting that dialogue with yourself.

Isetan · 15/10/2015 08:14

Logically you know that this it isn't all your wife's fault but your apparent reluctantance to take partial responsibility, means that your stuck waiting for her to take responsibility.

Life really is too short to be as unhappy as you are, the good news is, you can do something about it.

BeanIontach · 15/10/2015 17:58

I hope the OP updates this thread. Brew

CrabbyTheCrabster · 15/10/2015 18:52

It would be a shame to have this thread deleted, OP - I think you've had some fantastic advice here.

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